Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

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I am a lot more confident after this week that he will be found guilty or he will take a plea at some point.

61 confessions is a crazy amount and the fact some came after he found god speaks volumes.

MOO
I'm curious as to what his relationship with "god" (whichever he subscribes to) may be at present? Has his faith always been a consistent factor in his life or did this just randomly appear one day in prison? How's his faith been since having made the "confessions"? I know we don't know - I'm just curious is all.
 
Realistically - if a juror starts to think on their own that some other guy may have done the crime, regardless of the evidence, what stops them from voting that RA is not guilty? I know it is not supposed to work this way, but what would stop someone arguing to the rest of the jury that it *could* have been someone else? I understand they're told instructions by the judge, but again, what stops them?
The only thing that can stop them is if the prosecution does an effective job laying out their case.

IF they are able to show that RA=BG, and was the one that forced the girls off the bridge at gunpoint, then there will are little reason for them to doubt his guilt. IMO
 
The only thing that can stop them is if the prosecution does an effective job laying out their case.

IF they are able to show that RA=BG, and was the one that forced the girls off the bridge at gunpoint, then there will are little reason for them to doubt his guilt. IMO
Yeah, I suppose we just have to really hope that they have insurmountable evidence that it was indeed RA who marched them off that bridge. I wonder how they present this significant bit to the jury and how the D might argue against it...
 
DG has stated that the voice and the video are the same nan on the bridge and that he is the person responsible for the murders.

This is in the 2019 presser

I will add my " my opinion"but it has also been stated as fact.
I've lost track of initials - is DG the father of LG? Or can someone pls give me a hint as to who DG might be? Was this maybe a typo and maybe meant to have been DC?
 
DG has stated that the voice and the video are the same nan on the bridge and that he is the person responsible for the murders.

This is in the 2019 presser

I will add my " my opinion"but it has also been stated as fact.
I can definitely understand how someone could make that assumption. I was just stating in the capacity of people convicting bridge guy of the murder for appearing in the back of a video. I don’t believe that one could definitively state that this man was 100% the voice because there is no video, only audio, so no one can definitively state for a fact who that voice belongs to.

I’m more thinking of it in the “convicting this person of the murder” aspect of the requirement of evidence. I think that it is a fair assumption that the investigators would explore the assumption that the person and the voice could belong to the same person.

MOO
 
Because he is worried about his wife and mother rejecting him.
Didn't seem to bother him before he was accused of the crime at all. I wonder how he lived with himself and his guilt for all the years he walked about free if he did do this crime? If he did it, he's gonna be an interesting guy for psychologists to study imo.
 
Yeah, I suppose we just have to really hope that they have insurmountable evidence that it was indeed RA who marched them off that bridge. I wonder how they present this significant bit to the jury and how the D might argue against it...
I think Libby's video is powerful evidence which is why the DT wants so desperately to suppress it. But seeing him right there, alone with them, moments before they are never heard from again is very important evidence. And if it is true that one of the girls is heard saying 'GUN' during the audio portion, that will be very damning. IMO
 
Didn't seem to bother him before he was accused of the crime at all. I wonder how he lived with himself and his guilt for all the years he walked about free if he did do this crime? If he did it, he's gonna be an interesting guy for psychologists to study imo.
He did go into an institution for some mental health issues in 2019. So it seems it did weigh on him.
 
I can definitely understand how someone could make that assumption. I was just stating in the capacity of people convicting bridge guy of the murder for appearing in the back of a video.
It wouldn't just be for appearing in the back of a video.
I don’t believe that one could definitively state that this man was 100% the voice because there is no video, only audio, so no one can definitively state for a fact who that voice belongs to.
I think the state will be able to show definitively that the man in the video was the one that forced the girls off the bridge at gunpoint.
I’m more thinking of it in the “convicting this person of the murder” aspect of the requirement of evidence. I think that it is a fair assumption that the investigators would explore the assumption that the person and the voice could belong to the same person.

MOO
They can convict him of murder if they can prove he was Bridge Guy. If they can show that he was the one that used a gun to frighten them and take them down the hill, then it will be beyond a reasonable doubt that he was responsible for their deaths. IMO
 
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Why was he even looking at the victim's family though? Glaring or staring, either way, why is he looking at them for long periods of time?
 
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Didn't seem to bother him before he was accused of the crime at all. I wonder how he lived with himself and his guilt for all the years he walked about free if he did do this crime? If he did it, he's gonna be an interesting guy for psychologists to study imo.

He brutally murdered two young defenceless girls and thought he would get away with it. So now it’s all to be laid bare, he plays remorseful.



While he got away with it, he didn’t have to worry about his wife and mother finding out about his warped sick mind.



Let's not forget whatever he said in some of these confessions. It made the police question his daughters' friends, so it sounded like he was acting inappropriately around other young girls.

MOOO
 
Why was he even looking at the victim's family though? Glaring or staring, either way, why is he looking at them for long periods of time?

If that is the case, that is honestly a failure, IMHO, of the defense team in advising their client and monitoring their client's courtroom behavior. As a defense attorney, I would think one of the last things you would want is for your client's courtroom behaviors to amplify negative emotions in the courtroom.
 
Realistically - if a juror starts to think on their own that some other guy may have done the crime, regardless of the evidence, what stops them from voting that RA is not guilty? I know it is not supposed to work this way, but what would stop someone arguing to the rest of the jury that it *could* have been someone else? I understand they're told instructions by the judge, but again, what stops them?
That would likely come out during jury deliberations. If a jury member expressed that he was using his own non-evidence based opinion to form a verdict, the jury foreman should alert the judge.

Not a lawyer, this is my understanding though, from having served on a jury for a criminal trial.

jmo
 
There's only one guy in the vid taken by Libby on that bridge. There's only one guy who admitted to being on that bridge. Coincidently, that same guy, the one who admitted being on the bridge, also admitted dozens of times he killed the girls.

I've followed this case for years, since the beginning. All potential scenarios crafted by the human mind have been discussed ad nauseum.

There was no grand meeting in the bottom land that day. Those girls were marched down a steep embankment, through a wooded area next to a stream, across the stream, up a rather steep bank, and in to an area of bottom land not unlike all other wetland/bottomland along streams throughout the world.

This is where they were murdered. There was no tour bus parked above in the cemetery, no group of cars, no vans, no nothing reported to that effect, via witness or cam.

I've personally studied the terrain, followed the rail track, followed deer creek, thought of escape by raft, boat, and canoe, pondered escape via bridge creek, wondered about accomplices, thought maybe they were squirreled away in a car waiting on the driveway under the bridge, heard of the shack, the runes, the rabbits, the puppies, the swords, the guns, the artifacts hanging from the trees, the searches....I could go on, like I said, ad nauseum.

Never has another person been charged. Never. Yeah, I thought maybe KAK and company, but hey, I thought too of numerous others, a guy from Kokomo, a father son team, a relative, somebody at a factory, a serial killer, a trucker, a man just passin' through, a local politician, a judge.....again, ad nauseum.

Yet here we are. One guy on the bridge in the video. One guy admitted he was on that bridge. One guy admitted to killing the girls....with details known only to the killer.

He's busted. Game over. Done deal....if it was typed by me, which it was, then assume it's my opinion :)
 
Why was he even looking at the victim's family though? Glaring or staring, either way, why is he looking at them for long periods of time?
I could not even begin to surmise his reasoning. For all I know, there was a clock over their head on the wall - I am sure that wasn't the reason, I'm just saying, I dislike having to rely on others to report what they felt he was doing. Wish it was televised.
 
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