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Sorry, I should have put, rhetorical question.That I can't answer for you.
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Sorry, I should have put, rhetorical question.That I can't answer for you.
Why did RA leave Libby unclothed? Why was Abby killed clothed lying face down where she lay? Why does any killer do anything of the vile, vicious things they do?In your opinion, what was so important about that spot that he dragged her body there?
I'm having a real hard time trying to imagine why the killer did that.
I find blood spatter interesting in a way. I tried to learn how thin blood would spatter versus thick blood OR if it even made a difference. Didn't find much of value.Patrick Cicero - Blood Splatter Specialist
When on the stand when being cross examined:
a: He admitted it was just an alternate theory of the blood transfer - he couldn't say for certain that that's what happened.
b: He also agreed to it being a chaotic scene when it was put to him and also answered: "Yes" to it being impossible for him to recreate the scene.
Mindful and honest it seems.
This is a good possibility.
EF made what sounds like incriminating statements. But, as you have stated, we don't have the full conversation or context.
If LE really thought that he was involved, we would know.
He is an easy target.
He willingly gave a mouth swab.
I can't help but wonder if he didn't understand why that was needed. He might have been trying to clarify what happens with his "spit".
The officers that looked at EF confirmed that there is nothing that connects him to the crime scene .
IMO it's because he wasn't there.
I guess I can understand, to some degree, the re-dressing. Face down to control the blood flow?Why did RA leave Libby unclothed? Why was Abby killed clothed lying face down where she lay? Why does any killer do anything of the vile, vicious things they do?
We will never understand their sick, disordered thinking, unless we have a killers mind.
MOO
At the hearings, the blood expert Cisero said Libby was dragged a distance (probably from an area by a tree her blood was found on), thru her numerous pools of blood, to the spot she was found.
I think some were also parked at the cemetery, which is EXTREMELY close to where the girls were found. Correct me if I’m wrong. So this whole thing about coming back and taking them away, bringing them back is really far fetched IMO.The problem is, there were still a lot of cars still in the parking lot. Some first responders and locals and family members and friends continued to search until dawn. So if the ragtag group of Odinists returned to the scene of the crime, they would have seen the vehicles and probably would have seen flashlights bouncing around in the darkness.
Really hard to believe they would have returned with the girls knowing they could easily walk into some cops or vigilantes or angry family members. Let alone take the time to perform a ritual sacrifice while voices are calling out the girls names all around them.
Yes, I think we are all very interested in hearing the confessions, although hearing the same thing, we may still see things quite differently.I agree with you on the unreliable witness accounts. MOO
But I'm very interested in his confessions.
I'm thinking it was a simple decision. That's where he'd placed Abby, killed Abby or fatally wounded Abby. I think that Libby tried to run and, like the blood expert described, RA sliced at her neck from behind, bringing her to her knees by the tree which she touched with her bloody hand. He dragged her back to put them together, side by side. Was there a deeper reasoning for that? Maybe. Could he have taken pictures? Maybe. Or he just wanted them to look a certain way, for whatever reasons he had. Again, I wonder why he said he did what he did, the way he did it. Rhetorical question but it has been testified that he gave details within all those confessions and incriminating statements. Trial can't come soon enough, AJMOIn your opinion, what was so important about that spot that he dragged her body there?
I'm having a real hard time trying to imagine why the killer did that.
Below is a snip from the article linked. Do you have any idea if/how no heat or refrigeration would affect a body temperature? The article doesn't say when those problems began so it may be a non-issue in this case. I'm just curious.Fully MOO - it can be but not always; my thoughts on that (please take with grain of salt, IMO etc) is that if the body is already fully cold due to ambient temperature, they may record ambient temp and transport the body first and take a liver temp once the pathologist is in attendance. I obviously have no idea what was done in this case though, as it was a pretty extreme circumstance to find them murdered like that.
I think Libby was stabbed once in the neck and staggered closer to the tree. Another 2 blows put her on the ground. I think RA had more rage towards Libby than Abby for fighting back harder or for other twisted personal reasons?I guess I can understand, to some degree, the re-dressing. Face down to control the blood flow?
I'm stuck on the dragging to a specific spot. Did he have something there that we don't know about? What makes it chaotic?
No one who has testified under oath.Who says it was 'powered off' at 18 minutes?
It's my understanding that the girls' bodies were immediately taken to Terre Haute, and did not linger in the local area, but I don't have a link right now. I'll see if I can find one.Below is a snip from the article linked. Do you have any idea if/how no heat or refrigeration would affect a body temperature? The article doesn't say when those problems began so it may be a non-issue in this case. I'm just curious.
Carroll County Council members heard from Coroner Kristen Enoch about the situation she inherited from former Coroner Jordan Cree. She said the morgue has no heat, the refrigeration system does not work and the van used to transport bodies is old; the anti-lock brakes do not work nor do the airbags and it possibly needs a wheel bearing. In addition, Enoch said there are outstanding bills, one from last February, which should be paid immediately. She said the department’s records, which she should use for background research, do not seem to be accurate.New Coroner copes with leftover problems - Carroll County Comet
Carroll County Council members heard from Coroner Kristen Enoch about the situation she inherited from former Coroner Jordan Cree. She said the morgue has no heat, the refrigeration system does not work and the van used to transport bodies is old; the anti-lock brakes do not work nor do the...www.carrollcountycomet.com
Yes, I agree and I think it's more than the cycled round found between the victim's bodies that supposedly matches the gun recovered in the search of RA's house. There's something more I think. We shall see, if the trial happens as scheduled. MOThat's one of those statements that I think could possibly be intentionally false. Ricky had quite a unique knife collection as noted by the SW.
There is a reason this DT has fought like rabid dogs to get that SW thrown out, considering their client is factually innocent, why would they still be so overly concerned? Nothing to see here at an innocent man's home. Something they recovered during that search ties RA to the scene IMO.
JMO
Thank you. I added it to the list.Just wanted to add that RA had a mental assessment scheduled at 10am on April 14th 2023 if you want to add that to the proposed timeline.
https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2023/06/DelphiDocumentsCombined.pdf
It’s on page 7 section 28 in States Response to Defense’s Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping order.
It also spells out his conditions if he were moved to Cass County in section 13 which may be of interest to some IMO.
Edit: had wrong year
It is interesting that there is in fact an individual from the Delphi area that posted a pic to his FB (prior to the murders) eerily similar to the crime scene, however only one “body” in that pic. Surprisingly, local LE appeared to have “lost” it and the D had to travel to Georgia to retrieve this evidence.It's difficult to say with nothing solid being presented but I doubt this is a first time for this person. It sounds coordinated and experienced. "Guys down the hill" so cold so calculated not the rush one would expect from a first timer. Just speculation though. If the bodies were staged I would be very surprised if this person didn't have experience with it.
My opinion, it's ludicrous to think that someone would have returned to bring their bodies back there when so many were searching for them thru the night. Bringing bloody dead bodies back into the woods in darkness when they could have driven them somewhere else where there was nobody around. Makes no sense at all, AJMOThe problem is, there were still a lot of cars still in the parking lot. Some first responders and locals and family members and friends continued to search until dawn. So if the ragtag group of Odinists returned to the scene of the crime, they would have seen the vehicles and probably would have seen flashlights bouncing around in the darkness.
Really hard to believe they would have returned with the girls knowing they could easily walk into some cops or vigilantes or angry family members. Let alone take the time to perform a ritual sacrifice while voices are calling out the girls names all around them.
I find blood spatter interesting in a way. I tried to learn how thin blood would spatter versus thick blood OR if it even made a difference. Didn't find much of value.
"Chaotic scene...impossible to recreate." What on earth? That goes way beyond what we know: bodies, branches, leaves and a piece of rope. Poor, poor girls.
It's mentioned in the first Franks, so have your salt cellar at the ready.I definitely feel for Abby and Libby as well as their families.
Chaotic is what was used so you could be right with the leaves, branches, bodies and...
Where did you get piece of rope from?
But people did see him and Libby captured his approach on video. Audio confirms the girls were concerned about him approaching them. It can be determined, because of Libby's video and her picture of Abby, where that took place. MORSBM
While this is true, we have no way of knowing if BG came across from the far side, passed the girls and then doubled back behind them and then used a weapon to get them DTH. If BG came from the other side, up from the road, nobody would have seen him on the trail side. May have been RA’s misfortune to have worn a blue or black jacket and jeans that day, but it’s just what some guys wear, daily!
With regard to the dress code in those parts, after hubby died late last year I found 3 blue jackets just like the one BG had on. Oh, and he wore jeans a lot and often hiking boots or runners. I live in a small town surrounded by farms. I see a lot of middle aged guys that look just like BG. JMO