Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[StarryStarryNight]

You are absolutely correct.
I am just wondering if anyone can provide a legitimate reason for the time change?

We know that our memories are fresh ( or better at least) within a 24 hour time period vs 6 plus years later.

There has been many mentions regarding "guilty knowledge" in this case.

If this isn't the absolute definition of those words, I don't know what is.

If I were a juror, this would add several points towards a guilty verdict.

AJMO

He changed the time to save his rear, upon advice of his defense attorneys.
I have no doubt about that.


My honest non-sugarcoated opinion

 

[Megnut]

I bolded this little part, because it's something I've been thinking about. I've never seen any credible evidence there was a second, third, a group, or any other person identified on the trail that day as being in collusion with RA in these murders. Nobody has brought forth any credible evidence to place anyone else on the bridge, or at the CS, or otherwise as having been involved in these murders. There has never been another suspect named.

RA has never put forth an alibi for that day, in fact, he places himself there, yes indeed, he places himself right there, on those trails, and on that bridge. I just don't get it. If there were someone else, any wee shred of verifiable evidence there was another person involved that day, at that crime scene, to murder those two girls, why wouldn't prosecution, or defense, or FBI, or ISP, or some....any....other LE agency, come forth with that information? Reason is...there is none.

Yup.

And if we grant RA some latitude for when he was there and when he said he was there, nearly a half dozen Franks motions and no mention of any fact that timestamps RA to be somewhere else between 2 and 4 pm that day.

The other people on and near the bridge have verified timestamps backing up their recall.

Libby's recording continues to be dismissed as the witness evidence that is in.

We have the juveniles, one taller with dark hair, who passed by a lone adult male, have a timestamped bench photo to support them.

BB arrived and departed at known/fixed times. Saw Abby and Libby, saw a lone adult male on the bridge.

RA saw a juvenile with brown hair, taller than the others. He said he was on the bridge...

Libby saw something concerning enough to videotape a lone adult male as he approached them. That is evidence. That is a timestamp. Independent of the fact that simultaneously she captured her own (their) abduction, the lone male adult who abducted her (them) and the means and method and location by/with/in which he did it, it's a piece of witness testimony that contradicts one lone adult male who happens to not be excluded from all descriptions but claimed to be there that day, claimed he didn't see Abby and Libby when they were ABSOLUTELY on track to be seen by him, and we're going to grant HIM the benefit of (no) doubt?

If HE can't show that he was somewhere else -- with a witness, a cellphone, a photo -- but multiple people on and near the bridge can produce evidence which corroborates one and another, so how does RA get away with HIS volunteered timestamp being gospel without proof?

He has reason to lie. His family's opinion of him and loyalty to him matters more to him than even God. If we could, I would have us ask him, in the absence of even a shred of evidence putting him anywhere but on the bridge at 2:13 on 2/13, if the photos and facts from the key witnesses -- including Libby -- help jog his memory.

The time for inventing a second bridge guy who slipped in between BB seeing a lone adult male on the very same bridge RA says he stood on (fine, anywhere between 12:30 and 2:07) (but really between just before 2 and 2:07) has passed. RA would have seen him and would have called that in, in person, to make sure HE wasn't mistaken for the twin he tripped over.

It doesn't matter what time RA says he was there because he can't dispute the remarkable stack of timestamps that form the prequel and sequel to the movie Libby recorded in the middle. We can side eye him rightfully for having reason to change his statement but we don't have to look to him to confirm the time at all.

He was there at 1:30, coming or going, doesn't matter which he said, he was at the bridge within the hour of the abduction. That makes him a prime POI. Next step, lock down the time he was there ... based on whom he says he saw, who saw him, cellular data, cctv...

And here we are.

Nobody can get him off the bridge.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

The oddest thing about this case for me is I’m firmly now believing that RA is guilty and will be found guilty. And I came into it not sure at all, due to what I felt was a weak PCA. My faith in a conviction has grown - entirely due to the preposterous claims by defense and social media defenders.

In trying so hard to find a way to make RA look not guilty, the actual evidence was rarely addressed. It has been mostly ‘look there not here’ tactics, and throwing shade on the judge, LE and the investigators.

Anything can happen at trial, jurors may see differently. But I really feel a strong sense that justice for Abby and Libby is soon to come.

jmo

 

[gremlin444]

New filings today:
--State's Response to Motion to Compel Deponents to Answer
--State's Objection to viewing the scene
--State's Motion in Limine Regarding Defense Witness
--NON-PARTY INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION’S RESPONSE TO
DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO COMPEL DEPONENTS TO ANSWER
CERTIFIED QUESTIONS

I'm trying to attach them here, but they don't seem to be uploading.

 

[Melted]

Speaking of the trial.. Are we to the point where the trial can't get delayed? Or is another delay still reasonably possible?

A trial can always be delayed up to the point it starts.

 

[Melted]

Words DO matter.
Richard Allen has said over 60 times that he killed Libby and Abby.

I believe him.

jmo

So you believe RA’s words?

You must believe that he shot both the girls and law enforcement is just covering that up for some reason then.

He is still proclaiming his innocence in a court of law, you must believe that as well.

Selectively choosing what to believe based on personal biased is a errand not worth running.


As for the tip, IMO, anyone that believes that after the river search the Grissom Air Force base meeting all leading up to what everyone expected as an arrest… to an arrest. That that was just coincidence and they had just rediscovered this old tip from the first or second day of the 5 year investigation is extremely naive.

IMO moo

 

[Melted]

He changed the time to save his rear, upon advice of his defense attorneys.
I have no doubt about that.


My honest non-sugarcoated opinion

He didn’t have a lawyer at the that point, so no, that didn’t happen.

My opinion

 

[sunshineray]

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why RA decided to change his story, his timeline regarding his visit?

In February 2017, with a fresh recollection, RA told DD that he was on the trail from 13:30 until about 15:30.

Three teen girls were able to validate this by recollecting their personal encounter with someone that matches RAs physical likeness, down to similar clothing. Furthermore, RA himself verifies this encounter.

6 years later, he now says he has was present from Noon until approximately 13:30.

JMO, this points to him being dishonest. If he is innocent, why change the time?

It doesn't add up. It looks and feels guilty to me.

JMO

Because he IS dishonest, MO...since his family made it plain, IMO, to him they would stop communicating with him if he didn't stop confessing. AJMO

Edit for clarity: So his reason for changing the time, IMO, was obviously to say no I wasn't there when the murders happened. Then he changed his mind, after finding God, and changed it back again for the reason above. MO

 

[steeltowngirl]

So you believe RA’s words?

You must believe that he shot both the girls and law enforcement is just covering that up for some reason then.

He is still proclaiming his innocence in a court of law, you must believe that as well.

Selectively choosing what to believe based on personal biased is a errand not worth running.


As for the tip, IMO, anyone that believes that after the river search the Grissom Air Force base meeting all leading up to what everyone expected as an arrest… to an arrest. That that was just coincidence and they had just rediscovered this old tip from the first or second day of the 5 year investigation is extremely naive.

IMO moo

Yep. You are welcome to find me naive. I’ve been following this case for 7.5 years, and have had tomatoes thrown at me before.

I do believe his confessions, as he spoke and wrote them himself. His lawyers are doing the speaking for him with a not guilty plea in court. That’s what they are paid to do. Defend him.

I do not believe there has been a coverup. There is still more to be told and revealed, and those will be facts brought out at trial.

I have no idea what this sentence means - “Selectively choosing what to believe based on personal biased is an errand not worth running”, so I can’t address it.

I don’t believe the Grissom search was coincidence. All I can say is we have heard nothing was recovered. Personally, I have long believed that person was somehow involved. I also don’t think the tip was lost. I think there is much more to the story. Tentacles.

We shall see at trial.

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Meh. This point we are so close to trial I’d rather no try to guess. I’ll wait for the evidence to show me the way. Moo

You're expecting RA to take the stand and tell us why he changed the time he was at the trails? I doubt that will happen so it would seem an issue the jury will have to consider and reason out tgemselves. Right after the murders RA puts himself at the scene, at the time, of the murders. Almost 6 years later he changes it so he's not there at the scene, at the time of the murders.

To me it's obvious why he changed it. He got scared he was finally caught. I think the jurors will probably see it in the same way, MO.

 

[shonyakay]

Adding: a car resembling his 2016 Ford Focus was seen on CCTV footage from the Hoosier Harvestore.

I think the DT may try to claim that the time the state says RA's car was seen on camera arriving to the trails (1:27 p.m.?) is actually the time he was leaving.