Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[TTF14]

Was the girls going to the bridge not a last minute decision?

We don’t really know.

 

[TTF14]

Great theory!
I've looked at all of them and have found only one tie that binds them. All are from different areas, all are convicted of different crimes. The only thing I've found that they have in common is they are in Indiana prisons.
MOO

I agree!

 

[iamshadow21]

Last month a very high profile trial was canceled/delayed the morning of its start! (Donna Adelson)

Yeah, but that circumstance won't be repeated the same way here, as nobody else has been tried for this crime and so the defense can't be dismissed for repping two defendants without waivers. Their only client in this situation is RA.

MOO

 

[susiQ]

Another thing they have in common is they are not BG.

jmo

True, but it has not been proven that RA is BG either. I don’t think BG looks or sounds anything like RA. I am not alone either. I honestly don’t feel that 12 jurors will unanimously agree that RA = BG. They will want much more convincing evidence. JMHO

 

[SouthEnd]

RSBM
While these statistics may be factual, they fail to take into consideration the circumstances of RA’s incarceration and possible mistreatment (tasering, verbal abuse, isolation) that he endured. One should not compare without knowing all the details that will hopefully be revealed at trial. JMHO

From the little I know of prison life, having tried to understand the treatment inmates receive, I would personally say you are describing the bog average prison experience in the USA. There are documentaries that show the array of scars and injuries, self inflicted and not, suffered by inmates accused of a tenth of what RA has been accused. And I believe that will be argued with statistics in 5 minutes flat during trial. Yes, it is not a common circumstance for pre-trial detainees. Yes, he has been treated as well as I would have expected within the North American prison system. A lot of the conversation in this thread is, IMO, conflating the abusive treatment the average person who is incarcerated in the US receives, and the evils of the prison system, with the specifics of RA's circumstances. He is uncommon, in that he is housed in a prison instead of a jail, but not special, in the treatment he's received. Do I condone the current system? No, but I don't believe it led to his specific confessions.

All MOO

 

[TTF14]

They are all connected with previous theories - at least three of them to previous suspects discussed online.

EDIT: MOO

There may be another connection.

 

[SouthEnd]

There may be another connection.

Please elaborate, thank you!

 

[TTF14]

True, but it has not been proven that RA is BG either. I don’t think BG looks or sounds anything like RA. I am not alone either. I honestly don’t feel that 12 jurors will unanimously agree that RA = BG. They will want much more convincing evidence. JMHO

Absolutely. I don’t think he looks anything like “BG”

 

[Inthedetails]

True, but it has not been proven that RA is BG either. I don’t think BG looks or sounds anything like RA. I am not alone either. I honestly don’t feel that 12 jurors will unanimously agree that RA = BG. They will want much more convincing evidence. JMHO

Yes, that's what the trial is for.

I am confident the jury will hear evidence, deliberate, and make the right decision based on what is presented in court.

jmo

 

[TTF14]

Please elaborate, thank you!

There may be some other connection we don’t know about. Yet.

IMO

 

[SouthEnd]

Is today the last business day that things can be delayed before this thing kicks off Monday?

TBH I have witnessed all sorts of 'last minute surprises' - I will not feel restful until the verdict has been read out.
And all the appeals exhausted.
And then some.

 

[SouthEnd]

There may be some other connection we don’t know about. Yet.

IMO

Thank you, I thought you were saying that there is another connection that you know about, but it was just a general hypothetical? Ta!

 

[susiQ]

I think it is not because what these particular attorneys have done, I think it is just that people don't like the defense side in general--because of the nature of their job defending murderers. If you look through the various threads on WS, inevitably there are those who accuse the defense of playing games, of causing more pain and distress to the families of the victims, of lying, of being disrespectful, etc. That is what is occurring in this case, and this is what has happened in numerous other cases, for example, the Alex Murdaugh case, the Barry Morphew case, and the Casey Anthony case. There are more. I will not link posts because it will look like I am targeting individual posters, and I am not, I am just saying that people never like the defense team, and this case is no different. JMO

I like the defense team. I know, I know, I’m just one of those lunatics that actually believe RA may in fact, be innocent! I need a LOT more to convince me that he did this, and so proficiently, ALL by himself. MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

Looking back. That terrible feeling of dread.

One moment their families are following along, watching their updates online... and then they are silent, forever. My heart breaks. That last message, from a loved one... Justice for Abby and Libby.

 

[SouthEnd]

I like the defense team. I know, I know, I’m just one of those lunatics that actually believe RA may in fact, be innocent! I need a LOT more to convince me that he did this, and so proficiently, ALL by himself. MOO

I personally don't like/dislike people I don't personally know, haha, I have been burned by public personalities one time too many. I tend to think it more like: Do I agree with their actions? Do I see the logic behind them? In this D team's case, I don't. In the Idaho case on the other hand, I disagree with the tone of the D, but I have found myself agreeing with their actions, as in, everything they do makes sense to me. But that's my own quite special thinking

It is perfectly valid to believe something that goes again the 'popular' opinion, not at all lunatic, IMO. That's how democracy works, I believe; if 100% of the population voted for the same party, that would be a terrible sign!

MOO.

 

[Vaderman]

TBH I have witnessed all sorts of 'last minute surprises' - I will not feel restful until the verdict has been read out.
And all the appeals exhausted.
And then some.

Good point. Ohio serial killer Shawn Grate waited until his trial was darn near complete before pleading guilty. Without even being offered a plea deal or getting anything out of it.

Fitting that this trial is happening during spooky season.

 

[susiQ]

Yes, that's what the trial is for.

I am confident the jury will hear evidence, deliberate, and make the right decision based on what is presented in court.

jmo

MOO
I do not share your confidence regarding a jury coming to the “right decision.” Jury’s base their decision on the evidence they are ALLOWED to hear. I believe JG has done the families and the citizens of Indiana a grave injustice by not allowing a FULL SODDI defense. While she has left the door open, it’s a door she can EASILY slam shut during trial. Assuredly, this will go to appeal, but what an injustice to all involved, not the least of which are the poor girls and their families. Convicting a possibly innocent man is justice for no one. <modsnip>
MOO

 

[TTF14]

I like the defense team. I know, I know, I’m just one of those lunatics that actually believe RA may in fact, be innocent! I need a LOT more to convince me that he did this, and so proficiently, ALL by himself. MOO

Hear, hear! We don’t know yet if RA is guilty or innocent but these lawyers are doing a very thorough job. They are very skilled (and experienced). In my opinion, they shouldn’t be getting so much hate and vitriol. Nobody should for simply doing their job the best they can.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Good point. Ohio serial killer Shawn Grate waited until his trial was darn near complete before pleading guilty. Without even being offered a plea deal or getting anything out of it.

Fitting that this trial is happening during spooky season.

Oh wow. Maybe he just wanted a change of scenery!

I don’t think we will see RA pleading guilty at any point.

As always, JMO.

 

[SouthEnd]

Hear, hear! We don’t know yet if RA is guilty or innocent but these lawyers are doing a very thorough job. They are very skilled (and experienced). In my opinion, they shouldn’t be getting so much hate and vitriol. Nobody should for simply doing their job the best they can.

As always, JMO.

I don't doubt their experience. Nor do I condone hatred/vitriol/any negative emotions. BUT. If the department I was managing had leaked business strategy, back when I was working corporate I would have been: a) taken through a myriad of legal meetings b) fired c) fined and potentially would have lost my ability to work in the sector. I know it is different depending on the field, and I 100% believe JG should have followed a different route and not a 'courteous' in-chambers meeting, but because of the proven sloppiness of their handling of evidence in two separate occasions, I believe they are not beyond reproach, and reproach alone. That's all. All MOO