Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[Gracenote]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not but... this case is huge... wouldn't a customer or anyone who saw her anytime would be coming forward. I mean even if she did something under the table... LE should know by now right?
Or even if she went to a bar or changed at a store... someone must have seen her.

I finally finished reading the whole thread and here are my responses (I know you have all waited breathlessly for them :crazy: )

Since I regularly read the tabloids in the checkout line, I know there is always someone who will tell their story for money, hookers, dealers, etc. Especially if they feel it gives them some form of fame. Like a connection to a fallen politician or preacher. I have been surprised to see that no one has come forward to say "I was a hooker with KC" or "I saw her selling drugs" etc. No one yet. Makes me wonder.

Also, regarding young girls and what some of them do, we have a thriving trade in that here, unfortunately, at truck stops, motels, bars, etc. I had clients who did it. (no, no! I worked at a homeless shelter.)

If KC was coming back home every day, wouldn't neighbors have noticed it ? Mine see everything. OTOH, with Lee coming and going and KC "working nights" maybe they expected to see that someone had been in the house. Especially the way KC "grocery shopped" in the family kitchen to cook for friends.

I think that is all from me for now. Really good thread, as I have wondered and wondered about that question "What did she do for 2 years?"

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't think she had sex for money with the understanding up front that she would be paid, but I do believe she used sex to gain favors and to manipulate men. Didn't Lee make a comment at one time about men supporting Casey? I have a vague memory of something along those lines but can't recall exactly what he said.

ITA!! And I recall Lee saying what you are refering to.

I seriously doubt Casey was working as an escort.

 

[sadieMA]

I finally finished reading the whole thread and here are my responses (I know you have all waited breathlessly for them :crazy: )

Since I regularly read the tabloids in the checkout line, I know there is always someone who will tell their story for money, hookers, dealers, etc. Especially if they feel it gives them some form of fame. Like a connection to a fallen politician or preacher. I have been surprised to see that no one has come forward to say "I was a hooker with KC" or "I saw her selling drugs" etc. No one yet. Makes me wonder.

Also, regarding young girls and what some of them do, we have a thriving trade in that here, unfortunately, at truck stops, motels, bars, etc. I had clients who did it. (no, no! I worked at a homeless shelter.)

If KC was coming back home every day, wouldn't neighbors have noticed it ? Mine see everything. OTOH, with Lee coming and going and KC "working nights" maybe they expected to see that someone had been in the house. Especially the way KC "grocery shopped" in the family kitchen to cook for friends.

I think that is all from me for now. Really good thread, as I have wondered and wondered about that question "What did she do for 2 years?"

Yes! I mean no matter where she was... home, at the park, in a bar, working as a escort, or with friends... people would have seen her car or have noticed her right?? But wouldn't they be on their witness list by now?
Was she just going back home? Wouldn't the fact that her car was in the driveway all day come up in conversation with her parents?

I'm really hoping whoever knows what she did all day is already set to be at her trial!!!!

 

[cocoamom]

if casey really was pretending to go to work every day, then sneaking back in when everyone had left and spending the day playing on the computer, how is it possible that cindy and george didn't know?
think about all the things that would hit you clear in the face - missing food, snacks, pop, coffee, when there shouldn't be anyone home to eat or drink them - empty tins/bottle/cans in the trash that weren't there when you went to work - the amount of toilet paper being used - coming home to find crumbs on surfaces you know you wiped clean before you left - the smell of something just having been cooked or freshly sprayed deodorant/perfume - condensation on a bathroom mirror - the kettle being hot when nobody should have been in the house all day - i could go on and on.
if it were me, within 10 days i'd be surveiling my own house.

Me too eddeva! I would notice within 24 hours but the A's have difficulty seeing - it's difficult to see anything with your head up your ----- :banghead::banghead::banghead: (sorry mods - couldn't control myself)!

 

[TakeNote]

Hi TakeNote I didn't bold those certain words to shout, I bolded them for emphasis. I do believe certain people are involved, but only in an indirect way...meaning it had something to do with what KC was spending her time doing...maybe even for the past couple of years. Thanks so much.

yes I agree I just wanted to make sure that who ever reads on here doesnt think that Im saying that there is anyone other then KC that killed Caylee...KC is the only one who is being accused of it....but Im sure KC had to be doing something the last 2 years, and I think she was up to NO good.....
I think you and I are on the same page....just sounds like you have done more work then I :blowkiss:

oh and I wanted to add....I believe her up to NO good, is why she hasnt come clean and lied that day to the police, the last 2 years of what ever she has been up to...would really HURT her case and make things worse, thats why the defense is unable to come up with any other story, including insanity....because how are they going to exsplain what she was doing when she was suppose to be working and Caylee was with the so called zanny

 

[AZRiverRat]

Wasnt she a part time, certified, seasonal event planner?

 

[Egoslayer]

Here's one thing that I see some confusion about: KC DID work at universal as an assistant manager at Kodak, that's where she met Jesse. This is from Jesse's mouth, and I don't find any reason to think he's lying. After Caylee was born though, I have no idea what she was doing.

I do think it's easier than you guy's think to just mooch off your parents, tell them you'll try to get a job later, or lie about one. I"ve heard of people doing this.

 

[Meemom]

I am still clinging to the theory that KC and some of her "friends" may have been involved in identity theft/scams..She spent a lot time visiting people at car dealerships- a prime location for identity theft, as they have access to credit reports, gleen info to get credit reports on potential buyers, including SS#'s etc. Florida is also a prime place for false identities/info. to be sold to illegals. She may also have had contacts at Sawgrass- another place credit info is given and credit reports ordered.

One reason LE can hold back info being released under the Sunshine laws is if it is part of an ongoing investigation. I think LE may have uncovered such an identity theft ring as part of the investigation into KC's whereabouts since she had no legitimate job. And they are still delving into it, hence no interviews, as that may have come up in the interviews.Think about the interviews of listed witnesses that have NOT been released and where those people worked or lived or had connections. Think about how she had a "falling out" with some friends...maybe because she tried to work her way into their thing and was putting them all in danger of being discovered, with her blatant use of Grdad's nursing home acct, scamming Grmom's checking account using the routing #, using the name of someone who had recently looked at apt, etc.

While I truly believe KC and KC alone is responsible for the death of Caylee, I think the underlying cast of characters is where the truth about her "work" actually exists. JMO

ETA- another financial connection- did KC have a contact at Amscott as well?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76709&page=2 See post #4

 

[Egoslayer]

I am still clinging to the theory that KC and some of her "friends" may have been involved in identity theft/scams..She spent a lot time visiting people at car dealerships- a prime location for identity theft, as they have access to credit reports, gleen info to get credit reports on potential buyers, including SS#'s etc. Florida is also a prime place for false identities/info. to be sold to illegals. She may also have had contacts at Sawgrass- another place credit info is given and credit reports ordered.

One reason LE can hold back info being released under the Sunshine laws is if it is part of an ongoing investigation. I think LE may have uncovered such an identity theft ring as part of the investigation into KC's whereabouts since she had no legitimate job. And they are still delving into it, hence no interviews, as that may have come up in the interviews.Think about the interviews of listed witnesses that have NOT been released and where those people worked or lived or had connections. Think about how she had a "falling out" with some friends...maybe because she tried to work her way into their thing and was putting them all in danger of being discovered, with her blatant use of Grdad's nursing home acct, scamming Grmom's checking account using the routing #, using the name of someone who had recently looked at apt, etc.

While I truly believe KC and KC alone is responsible for the death of Caylee, I think the underlying cast of characters is where the truth about her "work" actually exists. JMO

Thats a very compelling theory. I think the one thing that doesnt align is that KC doesn't seem smart enough to do that. But, she could've worked with other's that did the more difficult part. Then again, Routing #s are not that hard to obtain.

This is definitely more believable than her being an escort.

 

[TakeNote]

I am still clinging to the theory that KC and some of her "friends" may have been involved in identity theft/scams..She spent a lot time visiting people at car dealerships- a prime location for identity theft, as they have access to credit reports, gleen info to get credit reports on potential buyers, including SS#'s etc. Florida is also a prime place for false identities/info. to be sold to illegals. She may also have had contacts at Sawgrass- another place credit info is given and credit reports ordered.

One reason LE can hold back info being released under the Sunshine laws is if it is part of an ongoing investigation. I think LE may have uncovered such an identity theft ring as part of the investigation into KC's whereabouts since she had no legitimate job. And they are still delving into it, hence no interviews, as that may have come up in the interviews.Think about the interviews of listed witnesses that have NOT been released and where those people worked or lived or had connections. Think about how she had a "falling out" with some friends...maybe because she tried to work her way into their thing and was putting them all in danger of being discovered, with her blatant use of Grdad's nursing home acct, scamming Grmom's checking account using the routing #, using the name of someone who had recently looked at apt, etc.

While I truly believe KC and KC alone is responsible for the death of Caylee, I think the underlying cast of characters is where the truth about her "work" actually exists. JMO

ETA- another financial connection- did KC have a contact at Amscott as well?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76709&page=2 See post #4

I feel you are right....LE is onto something....I think that is why they are slow to releasing things also....they wanted LP to back off the search in the JBL park....I think its on-going.....and thats why the state said Friday...its going to be awhile before its going to trial....they may have more to hit her with....or more they can use for a plea....thats why State said its to early for a change of Venue....cause there maybe a change in this case....just my thoughts though.....

 

[Meemom]

Thats a very compelling theory. I think the one thing that doesnt align is that KC doesn't seem smart enough to do that. But, she could've worked with other's that did the more difficult part. Then again, Routing #s are not that hard to obtain.

This is definitely more believable than her being an escort.

I feel you are right....LE is onto something....I think that is why they are slow to releasing things also....they wanted LP to back off the search in the JBL park....I think its on-going.....and thats why the state said Friday...its going to be awhile before its going to trial....they may have more to hit her with....or more they can use for a plea....thats why State said its to early for a change of Venue....cause there maybe a change in this case....just my thoughts though.....

(I finally figured out how to multiquote!!!)

I don't think KC was a mastermind by any means, but I can see her trying to pick up on what others were doing, offering to help, distract, etc, with egotistical plans of using it one day to her advantage, either for or against her friends, or with or without them. She so blatantly used AH's checks, etc, as though that was not the first time she used someone else's identity in a store or even online (remember she also tried to pay her cell bill with AH's account). A sociopath would have no problem with ruining someone else's credit, savings, etc- it's all about her and what she needs. I still wonder if anyone checked to see if ZFG had tried to buy a car at one the dealers that KC had connections to and that's where she got some info on ZFG.

I just don't see KC going the escort route....I think she prized her sexuality very highly...it was her means of making herself feel popular and loved and the center of attention...and she still had those "prince charming fantasties" of being Mrs. Casey L, etc. JMO

 

[Lexington]

I don't believe that she was ever involved in prostitution, escorting, dancing etc. When she was supposedly going to work she was most likely hanging out with friends, shopping at Target, seeing boyfriends. She probably told C&G that all of her paycheck went to paying the nanny and other expenses connected with work. (I think they had their suspicions and should have called her on it, but they chose to ignore it). It would have been easy for her to dip her hand into Cindy's pocketbook and George's wallet (not to mention friends who never thought they were in the company of a thief) without them ever missing money. I would say she was involved in petty theft and shoplifting for quite some time before she escalated with the thefts from AH and her grandmother and grandfather.

 

[Patience]

Here is the link to the Florida escort Review Board. You have to register to search but I wonder if there is talk of her on there.

http://www.ferb.us/forums/index.php

 

[kline]

This a very interesting question though I havent a clue what the answer is .
Not that I dont think Casey would have turned up her nose at particpating in either prostitution or *advertiser censored* if she felt either would benefit her as she is completely amoral IMHO but I find it hard to beleive it wouldnt have came to light long since especially the *advertiser censored* angle.

 

[karenz]

I noticed something in the latest document dump that makes me want to revisit this subject. It was in the interviews with Cindy's co-workers.

They said that Casey OFTEN come by Cindy's office to drop Caylee off when she (Casey) was "on her way to work". They said she was dressed "as if she was going to work" - whatever that means. I guess meaning not in shorts or jeans, flip-flops, etc. I believe someone said this would happen at least once per week or so.

Now, according to other information Cindy's normal work hours were usually until around 5 or 6 PM. So if Casey is dropping Caylee off at Cindy's office, it was BEFORE 5 or 6 PM, unleass Cindy was working late. And how late would Cindy be working with a 2 1/2 year old there with her?

So, was Casey going out partying and clubbing at 5 - 6 PM? Hardly, since the clubs don't get going until much later, say 9 - 10PM. And if she was going out partying, would she not need to change clothing somewhere? Work clothes are not club clothes.

This went on for TWO YEARS???? And neither George nor Cindy had ANY CLUE
that Casey did not have a job? I do NOT believe that at all!

Also, Cindy made statements to LE that Casey never was away from home overnight until right before she went "missing". Yet Ricardo stated that Casey AND Caylee stayed at his place numerous times. Wasn't that in March?

I still think Casey was "working" during those two years. I do not believe that Cindy and George fully supported all of Casey's financial needs for two years. She was getting money from somewhere and I do not believe she was stealing it for two years.

Any thoughts or input?

I 100% agree. I sometimes wonder the way so many aspects of this case are examined yet this is glossed over.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Any person who disappears on a daily basis with her small child and manages to keep up the 'ruse' over a two year period is up to no good. (I feel qualified to state this as my ex is a narcissist and he also had an 'imaginery' job and was ripping off family and friends) It is suspicious that no one knew her whereabouts or became suspicious enough to check up on her at work. (that's how my ex was caught by a simple phone call.) Caylee was begininng to talk and form sentences and I think this is why KC began drugging her. When she had to attend to BIZ she would 'put Caylee down' while she made her run or whatever she was up to. What could be so bad that she would go to such extremes and sacrifice her daughter to avoid being caught? It had to be something illegal, IMO! (my ex is an example of this)

ETA I do think KC is computer saavy and George even stated this in an interview with LE. Due to the technology available in school systems most of the 10 year olds I taught were more tech saavy than the teachers.LOL Many who were a 'whiz' on the computer had other learning difficulties. MOO from observations.

 

[moonlighting]

Everyone associated with kc will go down. kc has ruined everyone's life that she ever knew. IMO, I think there is a trail of small petty type crminal things done with kc involved from paying under the table to stolen car parts. IMO I can see allot of people either co operating with LE for all they might know or some of the friends and family getting arrested along the way. To many lies, people and stories, MOO

I agree! I sensed that Lee knew it, too. I think that's what sparked his investigation. He knew KC was opening up a big can of worms that was going to effect many lives.

 

[fabvab]

But why would she take money from her grandma and her roommate if she was involved in identity theft/scams? Why didn't she just take money from some unknown person? But then again maybe she was desperate for money and just stole from the most assessible at that time.

 

[ChasingMoxie]

Awww, no, ChasingMoxie...that's not what I'm suggesting. Alot of people don't realize this, but, Orlando is one of the biggest cities in the U.S., maybe in the whole world. It's surrounded by a wild plethura of amusements. Florida is beautiful, yet it costs to live there. Sure, you can find inexpensive apartments, but in doing so, you won't be in the nicest areas. When you take a kid to a candy store, chances are they're gonna want some candy...right? That's what I'm saying. No way do I think all or even most college girls (or single moms) do escorting. Orlando has a big share of it, though, unfortunately. Keep in mind the amount of people that live there...it's huge per capita is off the hook. Their crime rate fluctuates every single year - sometimes good, sometimes bad. It hate to say this but it's the truth...there's a whole lot of girls down there doing this. It's no different than L.A. or N.Y., imo. Still, I love it there, and chances are my boys will go to college there - but my eyes are wide open. This is a big HUGE thing that's been going on for a very long time...and most of the time, their parents never find out. I wouldn't put it past KC to have been doing this. I've seen, with my own eyes, people that I would never expect to be involved in such a thing. They did it for the BIG $$$, but there's lots of small dreamers out there that like to stay low in order to keep it safer. Sorry if my statement offended you, but this is the absolute truth.:blowkiss:

Ahh, okay, I thought you were making a broader statement about college girls, etc. I know almost nothing about Florida, but I do know that it's simply shocking how many murders and missing persons cases seem to occur there. Side effect of the heavy tourism trade, I guess.

 

[RJOINNH]

If I remember correctly......there was mention of thousands of dollars of debt racked up on CA and GA's credit cards by KC.
I think she had been scamming from her parents for a long time before they caught on and confronted her about it.
She very well could have been scamming from her friends while hanging with them while surposably at work. They also found out about her BS. That seems to fit in with the sudden complete change in all her friends in the previous 6 months before her arrest.
Then she became desperate to come up with money to support her fake job by simply outright stealing from her new friends and family.

As to where she actually was for the time she was surpose to be at work....
IMO I think she simply made up lies about her job duties to fit the day.....going between numerous friends...changing friends....always meeting new people to hang with to cover her stories. And when cornered with the situation of no place to go simply went to malls or the beach or where ever for the day or used her famous excuse of working from home for the day.
IMO her family had a good idea of what was going on with her in the recent months before her arrest. And did indeed confront her the night of the big fight.