aggravated waiting for the Aggravation phase #3

[Just Sailing Thru]

Is Keith the grey/silver haired guy? Sort of cute?

 

[TexMex]

She wanted a plea so she could get a lighter sentence. Wanting to protect Travis is a joke. She claimed on Wednesday she didn't want everything to come out, yet she calls him a hypocrite and a pedophile in the same interview.

Exactly...IIRC the penalty in 2008 for 2nd degree was a max of 21 years. Beth said AZ requires you do 85% which is 17.8, by the time she's sentenced she'll have done 4 years 10 months, leaving her with less than 13 years to go. She'd be about 46 years old when released.

The State refused so she carried out her scorched earth strategy. If she was going to jail for life (or death) Travis would somehow pay because in her mind its all his fault.

 

[Softail]

I agree with you Katiecoolady. Hayden is young, and his motivation is how this can further his career. That interview was quite the exclusive bombshell, and I guess he didn't think through how the general public would receive it. I really don't think he did this because he's "fallen under her spell". uke:

Kiefer, on the other hand, does seem to be very anti-prosecution in this case, and his bias has been obvious throughout the trial. The TH's that claimed Juan blew the whole prosecution will either keep quiet, reverse their position, or claim that the DT screwed up so bad it made the prosecution look good

I'm watching NG, and she showed the family's side of the gallery when the verdict was read. His siblings broke my heart with how moved they were when the jury did the right thing. And I also saw your face and how emotional it was for you, and I was in tears. You've been a comfort to that family KCL, and such an advocate for them, and I'm sure they bless you for it. You got good Karma girlfriend .

Hope the potato salad was great, and the movies are marvelous, and that you're pampering your psyche with nothing but positive vibes this weekend. :seeya:

Of course it is. He is a JOURNALIST!

 

[Words2Serve]

I think Steven has been the family rock and I would bet he felt he needed to stand alone ...the glance at his sisters said it all to me. He was using everything in him to hold himself together. I have so much admiration for these young people. They have been through so much. Their lives have been forever changed...all because of one monster. JMO

I honestly believe they were the best witnesses in this entire trial. Their poise, courage, and strength were a testament to the Alexander name, and I feel that spoke volumes to this jury in example for Travis and helped to reach the correct verdict!

 

[katiecoolady]

How can anyone say he was soft on her? The entire 45 minutes hasn't been released yet. I thought he asked some good questions. So far, from what I have seen. :twocents:

Good Lord, I'm not anti Troy Hayden...are you reading my posts?

 

[Alexander family fan]

Dateline special on now, NBC
Chris and Sky ,Aaron, Dave ( friends of Travis )
Katie Wick are on it

 

[oozer]

Ok it sounds like it will be portraying Jodi as she is: According to the breakdown for Dirty Little Secrets, Arias is described as a single-minded, head-strong, quick-tempered and jealous to the extreme woman who is hell-bent on emotionally suffocating and controlling Alexander, a handsome young Mormon and motivational speaker who soon falls prey. (From Deadline.com, April 17)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jodi-arias-lifetime-movie-due-june-article-1.1340480

that actress has Jodi's dead eyes down pat.

she's going to eat this up! i wish they would change the name to "dirty little secrets: the travis alexander murder story" or something more along those lines. JMO

 

[Garlandy]

New Dateline on right now about the trial. NBC

 

[SunnyinMO]

Kiefer's cruel projection on to me really got me thinking about how people choose to cope when the most horrible thing happens in your life that you can NEVER erase. I'm going to write about it somehow one day soon. I want to say some things about the additional burdens that get placed on murder victims' families (which will come for the Alexanders and has already although they've been shielded to alot of it).

It's like we're expected to "just let it go" or follow some "code of conduct" or "rise above it" or somehow compartmentalize it in a way that makes OTHER people less uncomfortable.

The reality, esp with the DP, we are living with it for the rest of our lives. Healing is a process. Closure never happens.

I felt like Kiefer's judgment of me , aside from being his own projection" was sort of this Gestalt of the whole dilemna we face (or anyone who's been subjected to horrible tragedy). That you're in this spotlight and expected to be some kind of "example" yet at the same time human and continually evolving and doing the best you can at every turn, every year, every anniversary, every trigger.

His words DID cut me like a knife because they were said so casually as "fact" like it was some "given" and everyone knows I'm somehow "ruined" now that I've chosen to step out of the closet of my pain in to this in some kind of "out loud" way, that it's an indicator that I'm "worse off than I've been in years" (which is one of the things he said to me, to my face, in the courtroom). I was stunned. I laughed it off saying "you really think I've totally changed?" (knowing it was NOT a compliment) and he snickered and said "well, look at you, you're here aren't you?". Like this was some kind of leprosy on my face.

It hurts when someone is being cruel. But in reality, it stings him that ANYONE is supporting the Alexanders. It's HIS issue. He thinks THEY have "victimized" Jodi by not promoting her plea deal.

This is what families are exposed to (and more). Usually it just shows up in eerie camps like the Jodi Is Innocent asylum but it's downright disturbing to show up in a relationship like that. It stunned me honestly. But I made a hard decision over it..and I'm still protecting his privacy on some things because I have my own conscience.

Sorry for the rant...I just kind of popped the cork on this (and not on my wine yet..brb).

Rant Away...he is an asswipe...and you don't need people like him in your life.

 

[Softail]

Good Lord, I'm not anti Troy Hayden...are you reading my posts?

Good lord. Are you reading mine?

I

 

[chijojo]

Yes, We will and yes you are! So glad you are part of this group Chijojo! :seeya:

Thank you :blushing::blushing:

 

[Softail]

Dateline on now....

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html

From OTR last night - There are two separate videos from last night showing additional footage of the interview in case anyone missed it. Scroll down to "OTR Featured Videos" for the second video. I don't know if Greta will have additional footage tonight or not.....

 

[GreenEyesBlue]

Kiefer's cruel projection on to me really got me thinking about how people choose to cope when the most horrible thing happens in your life that you can NEVER erase. I'm going to write about it somehow one day soon. I want to say some things about the additional burdens that get placed on murder victims' families (which will come for the Alexanders and has already although they've been shielded to alot of it).

It's like we're expected to "just let it go" or follow some "code of conduct" or "rise above it" or somehow compartmentalize it in a way that makes OTHER people less uncomfortable.

The reality, esp with the DP, we are living with it for the rest of our lives. Healing is a process. Closure never happens.

I felt like Kiefer's judgment of me , aside from being his own projection" was sort of this Gestalt of the whole dilemna we face (or anyone who's been subjected to horrible tragedy). That you're in this spotlight and expected to be some kind of "example" yet at the same time human and continually evolving and doing the best you can at every turn, every year, every anniversary, every trigger.

His words DID cut me like a knife because they were said so casually as "fact" like it was some "given" and everyone knows I'm somehow "ruined" now that I've chosen to step out of the closet of my pain in to this in some kind of "out loud" way, that it's an indicator that I'm "worse off than I've been in years" (which is one of the things he said to me, to my face, in the courtroom). I was stunned. I laughed it off saying "you really think I've totally changed?" (knowing it was NOT a compliment) and he snickered and said "well, look at you, you're here aren't you?". Like this was some kind of leprosy on my face.

It hurts when someone is being cruel. But in reality, it stings him that ANYONE is supporting the Alexanders. It's HIS issue. He thinks THEY have "victimized" Jodi by not promoting her plea deal.

This is what families are exposed to (and more). Usually it just shows up in eerie camps like the Jodi Is Innocent asylum but it's downright disturbing to show up in a relationship like that. It stunned me honestly. But I made a hard decision over it..and I'm still protecting his privacy on some things because I have my own conscience.

Sorry for the rant...I just kind of popped the cork on this (and not on my wine yet..brb).

We are supposed to change. God knows that we can not possibly survive if we remain as victims. You look in the mirror and know that you have done something that few of us can lay claim to. Physically, emotionally, and financially, you bring this family hope, and the will to survive another agonizing day.

Stand proud. You have earned it. Not through victim hood, but strength of character.

 

[GaMom13]

I feel so bad for Steven. He looks over at his sisters at about :35, and I feel like he is all alone except for the person sitting behind him. I don't at any point see any of his siblings comforting or hugging him. The sisters have their husbands there, but Steven seems all alone to me.

Oh, I saw that, and as a mom with children that age, I just wanted to hug him. But, he may be like one of mine, who would have asked not to be hugged until back at home for fear of a break down. My heart goes out to him for he has been such a force for his sisters. I hope this trial is soon over so they can have a level of peace and continue to rebuild their lives.

 

[katiecoolady]

Good lord. Are you reading mine?

Uh yeah, I've read every last one of them addressing me re: this Troy Hayden thing.

I'll say this again, I AM NOT BLAMING TROY HAYDEN. I have MET HIM IN PERSON AND TALKED WITH HIM AT LENGTH. Including the DAY OF THE VERDICT.

I LIKE HIM. I UNDERSTAND WHY HE DID THE INTERVIEW.

I do think from what I've seen, he's asked soft ball questions. I get that too! He has engendered a trust with her. This is GOOD FOR HIS CAREER.

Is there anything else I need to clear up?

 

[marlap]

I'm not going in to all of it publicly as he vented to me twice about it. But his feelings are clear and venomous I will tell you that. And he turned some of it on me as well which is the only reason I'm speaking publicly about it at all. After those crappy remarks he made about me to my face, I'm done with him after 20 years of friendship. I was holding on to it for dear life but he threw down a hammer and I walked away.

He basically told me my life was in ruins as evidenced by the fact I was attending the trial, that I was a "completely different person" from the one he once knew and that was not a compliment. He's anti DP so I'm telling you, DP opponents turn on murder victims' families eventually, considering them the "enemy" and judging us for having the audacity to hold these murderers accountable. Like the entire death penalty is our fault. And he's jumped the shark right in to that place.

I cut the cord that day and could say a whole lot more of what I know of how far gone he is in terms of bias but I don't really want to give it any more energy. I guess I got stirred up today reading his article claiming yet ANOTHER BS inaccuracy as fact.

I will say this, Kiefer is the one who EMBELLISHED in a story saying Juan was walking out of court daily to throngs of media and "fans" when in reality he walked out that door a total of ONE time during the entire trial for about 10 min and was asked to give some autographs and photo ops. That was IT. He also claimed Nurmi and co had to leave a side door with security which is a BALD FACED LIE. I walked out the front door with that DT many many days and they waltzed, unescorted right past the media trucks to their cars.

It's disturbing to me to read these bald faced LIES reported as fact.

Oh and Kiefer was one of the few media I went up to (before I realized how far he'd gone with his bias) reporting the ALV approach on Sam thing and he sneered at me "what do you want me to do, have her arrested?" and of course NEVER reported on it yet caused a lot of trouble talking to her "friend" about her "ER visit". He was totally sympathetic to her. Ugh, it all makes me ill. I know way more but gonna stop myself now.

I'm GLAD you're done with him! Who needs him! I'm so sorry you lost your friend in such a painful way. I know it must really hurt.

 

[Karmady]

Just now, on NG, Sheriff said if an inmate wants to talk to a reporter and all the paperwork is done then he doesn't stop them.

That's a clip from yesterday, I think. I heard him in the car last evening saying that. I'm sure it's also SOP for someone on suicide watch not to have media interviews. So Sheriff Joe isn't treating Jodi any different than he does any similarly situated inmate. He's been saying that all along.

 

[gamom]

Not for long. After the civil trial, even donations will go to Travis' family.

Yes, I noticed that her twitter friend ask everyone to send any future donations to Jodi's mother not her. Always one step ahead in Jodi's mind

 

[TexMex]

How can anyone say he was soft on her? The entire 45 minutes hasn't been released yet. I thought he asked some good questions. So far, from what I have seen. :twocents:

He did ask her about her constant drawing on some days in court. She denies doing any drawing and insists she was writing information to assist "Jennifer and Kirk" in her defense. Says she may have "doodled some in the margins" :banghead: