aggravated waiting for the Aggravation phase #3

[Schuby]

This talk of JA drawing reminds me of one of the few moments that actually made me LOL during the trial. When she was on the stand and said she was going to visit Ryan Burns because he had a friend with a gallery that housed Van Gogh's that was interested in her artwork.

That should have been clue number one of her delusions of grandeur.

Lololololololol, Van Gogh, Monet was it?, and Einstein...such vaulted company she keeps when she's not waiting tables.

 

[Sleuth5]

This talk of JA drawing reminds me of one of the few moments that actually made me LOL during the trial. When she was on the stand and said she was going to visit Ryan Burns because he had a friend with a gallery that housed Van Gogh's that was interested in her artwork.

That should have been clue number one of her delusions of grandeur.

Lawdy, I remember that too. Talk about chutzpah! Let's see -- she traces her artwork. Traces! Yes, it may not surprise me to know that she would throw out some line like, "Michelangelo traced as well," -- but he drew what he traced. Hmmm.

 

[katiecoolady]

Just watched part of the Dr Drew show - Mark Eiglarsh now has his own fog machine - it wafts across him as he talks..:floorlaugh:

His fog machine again? OMG how funny.

The day of the verdict one of the HLN producers sent him a video two of my friends made for him (meaning she taped it then and there) and he video'd her back to them. Sitting on his couch with his dog. I think he's a total sweetheart and as you can imagine I'm not partial to defense attorneys. On this case, he got it 100% right.

 

[chijojo]

I'm off to watch some video's since I don't have cable at the moment. You all have a wonderful evening, and as Mikee says.... Don't go with no sociopath!! He's too funny.

G'nite.

 

[Isabelle]

and what( re: Donovan) is her connection to JA that has sent her on such a futile advocacy mission???

Jodi's ex cellmate is Donavan's BFF!

 

[Alexander family fan]

GAWD the biased inaccurate "journalism" on this case...arrrgh!

Kiefer's story day after the verdict reports how a photo was admitted showing Arias in Travis eye reflection "vaguely" showing her standing there without a knife or gun but camera in her hand.

Just because the State stipulated to her not holding a gun/knife when she shot that photo does NOT mean that photo demonstrated that. It was just as easy a "dog with a stick it's mouth" a "mexican chihuahua" or a "gopher" or Alyce Laviolette and her buck teeth for all I know . But to report that as "FACT"...that the photo showed this?

He's lost his damn mind.

Who exactly does this dude Kiefer work for? He is not on the Dateline show is he?

 

[kscornfed]

Wow!!

Some hatchet job on Dateline!

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Kiefer's cruel projection on to me really got me thinking about how people choose to cope when the most horrible thing happens in your life that you can NEVER erase. I'm going to write about it somehow one day soon. I want to say some things about the additional burdens that get placed on murder victims' families (which will come for the Alexanders and has already although they've been shielded to alot of it).

It's like we're expected to "just let it go" or follow some "code of conduct" or "rise above it" or somehow compartmentalize it in a way that makes OTHER people less uncomfortable.

The reality, esp with the DP, we are living with it for the rest of our lives. Healing is a process. Closure never happens.

I felt like Kiefer's judgment of me , aside from being his own projection" was sort of this Gestalt of the whole dilemna we face (or anyone who's been subjected to horrible tragedy). That you're in this spotlight and expected to be some kind of "example" yet at the same time human and continually evolving and doing the best you can at every turn, every year, every anniversary, every trigger.

His words DID cut me like a knife because they were said so casually as "fact" like it was some "given" and everyone knows I'm somehow "ruined" now that I've chosen to step out of the closet of my pain in to this in some kind of "out loud" way, that it's an indicator that I'm "worse off than I've been in years" (which is one of the things he said to me, to my face, in the courtroom). I was stunned. I laughed it off saying "you really think I've totally changed?" (knowing it was NOT a compliment) and he snickered and said "well, look at you, you're here aren't you?". Like this was some kind of leprosy on my face.

It hurts when someone is being cruel. But in reality, it stings him that ANYONE is supporting the Alexanders. It's HIS issue. He thinks THEY have "victimized" Jodi by not promoting her plea deal.

This is what families are exposed to (and more). Usually it just shows up in eerie camps like the Jodi Is Innocent asylum but it's downright disturbing to show up in a relationship like that. It stunned me honestly. But I made a hard decision over it..and I'm still protecting his privacy on some things because I have my own conscience.

Sorry for the rant...I just kind of popped the cork on this (and not on my wine yet..brb).

I don't like Michael Kiefer :furious: (thanks Horace). He obviously has some issues KCL, aren't journalists supposed to be unbiased? You have to wonder why he's making it so personal. Against the prosecutor, the family, and you of all people. I think he's not only lost his objectivity, he's lost his mind.

Have you got that glass of wine yet? :toast: F(orget) him katiecoolady. Maybe the only way he can keep himself relevant is to take the "devil's advocate" approach to try and garner himself an audience. Whatever his motivation is, he was extremely rude to you for no reason. I call that a jerk, and he doesn't deserve your friendship, or your loyalty. He's lucky you're a good person.

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

brika..that assumption that her work , ummm tracings, would be placed along side Picasso was something that made me spit out coffee on keyboard..Delusional ? Grandiose? Self Obessed ?Ya think?? lol

 

[lil_buddy]

Her hateful character was on full display throughout. I didn't even buy her being so upset about her mother..

I thought it was interesting when she called her mother a 'saint'; didn't seem like a compliment.

 

[Karraster]

I disagree. I was thrilled to see so many people outside (outside being the operative word, here! The jury could not see them) the courthouse not only in support of the Alexander family, but in support of JUSTICE. It's insulting to compare the crowd outside of the courthouse to a mob at a lynching, beheading, or witch burning. The crowd was very respectful and did not cause a problem. They weren't screaming "go to hell JA" or anything derogatory. They were supporting and praying for Travis and his family, not railing against JA.

I believe wholeheartedly that just like all of us here wanted and NEEDED to see justice, so did the people who were standing outside the courthouse. They did express their joy respectfully and maturely. I feel that as an American, I needed to see justice served on Wednesday in order to help restore my faith in the legal system. They were there to see that our system still works.

If this case took place where I lived, I'd be there. When Terri Horman is brought to justice for the death of sweet little Kyron...bet your butt I'll be cheering outside the courthouse. Even if I'm standing out there all alone, I'll do some fist pumping for sure.

I am right there with you and thanks was not enough!

Weren't we Alexanders that day? Wasn't he our brother? You bet Mr K and I were shouting halleluiah!

 

[Isabelle]

Lawdy, I remember that too. Talk about chutzpah! Let's see -- she traces her artwork. Traces! Yes, it may not surprise me to know that she would throw out some line like, "Michelangelo traced as well," -- but he drew what he traced. Hmmm.

She would probably say that with conviction, art major that she was!

 

[marlap]

This talk of JA drawing reminds me of one of the few moments that actually made me LOL during the trial. When she was on the stand and said she was going to visit Ryan Burns because he had a friend with a gallery that housed Van Gogh's that was interested in her artwork.

That should have been clue number one of her delusions of grandeur.

I remember that!

She also has a "manifesto".....As if anybody cares.

 

[Schuby]

Because this is entirely about his career and preserving his exclusive relationship with Ms. Arias, that's why. I don't believe that he's gullible enough to actually believe what she's saying, but he knows if he gets out of line and challenges her forcefully she'll be done with him in a New York minute -- and on to someone more willing to toe the party line. That is how the interview cycles are going to go with her...and there will, unfortunately, be no end to takers so long as ad revenue will stream into the networks running the segments.

:cow:

Yeah, that makes sense. He obviously cultivated the relationship over time so he probably wants to preserve it.

 

[Sleuth5]

:thumb: Thanks Sleuth! Nobody has seen all 45 minutes.

Not holdin' my breath, though, Softy. I think he wants to make sure he has access to more interviews; questions that might make her angry will probably be off the table -- but who knows? Maybe he's slipped a couple in there anyway, figuring it would be worth the risk -- hard to imagine we wouldn't have seen anything really juicy, though.

 

[katiecoolady]

The Alexanders sadly will soon discover what you know.

They couldn't grieve properly because they've needed their strength to fight this fight.

Pretty soon, people are going to start voicing what they're probably already starting to think, "You've got the verdict, it's over. You all can finally put this behind you now." Closure, to me, is just a euphemism for "Can we all talk about something else now? This has gone on long enough." There is no real closure.

A plea of 2nd degree with time served for the butchery she conducted on that man is grotesque.

Victimizing Arias? Hmmph. That girl has always been an exploding meteor and God help anyone who happened to be in her orbit.

I have a feeling, well a knowing, that if the genders were reversed we'd have seen none of this sympathy for Jodius Arias from the likes of ALV and Kiefer. Simple as that. Same crime, same facts, different perspective.

 

[ctmom]

My DH & kids come home and attempt to tell me about their day at the dinner table while eating franco american out of the can.
I'm in the living room watching HLN & chasing fast moving threads on here on WS.
They call out to me about their day....
baseball strikeouts, crew race times, contractor jokes..

But good ol' mom (during one of the thousand annoying HLN commercials) gets up and stands in the door to the kitchen and talks about:
Jodi... lies, autopsy photos, evil,manipulation, more lies, premeditation
ALV, Suitcase Sam's wheels rolling through throw up, and the death penalty.

Well....
You know what my nickname is..
:juanettes:
[video=youtube;yqcrg-ObwnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqcrg-ObwnU[/video]

 

[Isabelle]

Yeah, that makes sense. He obviously cultivated the relationship over time so he probably wants to preserve it.

In essence he is using her. Imagine that!

 

[katiedid2]

:fence:

Just watched part of the Dr Drew show - Mark Eiglarsh now has his own fog machine - it wafts across him as he talks..:floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: loved it

 

[Karmady]

It just seemed obvious to me she was drawing. She tells the interviewer she was writing notes and passing them to her attorneys. I did see her pass some notes but especially when Demarte was on the stand she seemed to be drawing as her way to "escape" hearing the damaging truth coming from the witness stand.

Thanks for answering. I think she was doing both. That's what I was trying to understand, though, whether it's the idea that she lied that got the reaction from you, or something more specific. I don't get upset by anything she does, so I'm trying to figure out what's upsetting about it to others. A younger colleague was talking with me about this case and she was kind of relieved to find out that Jodi doesn't make me really, really angry. She thought she was the only one. So now we're trying to figure out whether there's something wrong with us and, if so, what it is. lol