AK, NY Israel Keyes - Who are all of his victims???

[GGE]

Thanks, much appreciated. The specific focus on IK -- I live in upstate NY, he had a place in upstate NY. When I saw the FBI put out that information and eventually a detailed timeline, I opened google maps and thought I'd just plug in a couple of things quick, starting with seeing where Constable, NY even is in relation to me (curiosity, basically). Before I knew it I was making a map. Once I had started, I kept thinking back to cases that I've commented on or read about over the years, and each time I felt like I should look it up and at least note the date/place on the map so that I wouldn't constantly be looking things back up over and over. Things snowballed during a particularly boring stretch of bad weather during which I was stuck indoors and bored and decided to spend a little time on this. I tend to do the heck out of whatever I do.

Plus just looking into his eyes I felt like he was talking to me and I disliked that feeling intensely. Then reading his clear mindf*(% of a "suicide note" it became still clearer that this guy was way beyond what people thought / think. Master manipulator, here.

That sense of "oh crap I wonder if people realize what a monster he truly is, I think he's killed more than they know" kept me plugging away.

Something like that.

I read missing persons cases, I work on them in my free time out of a sense of "have to do something" that is difficult to otherwise fulfill, and I occasionally write articles about them.

This just called out to me. Ya know?

And, I feel that this thing where he supposedly doesn't kill children is incorrect. Bigtime.

I think the Constable house is a house of horrors and I shudder to think about all the potential stuff that state gameland or whatever they call that public forest of like 500 acres or whatever holds up there, that his property borders.

 

[GGE]

how many victims do I estimate from my research.. that one is more difficult. gut instinct doesn't count for a whole lot and mine is sometimes wrong, though not as often as it's right. The safe answer would be "more, but he didn't beat his idol".

 

[Foxfire]

Thanks, much appreciated. The specific focus on IK -- I live in upstate NY, he had a place in upstate NY. When I saw the FBI put out that information and eventually a detailed timeline, I opened google maps and thought I'd just plug in a couple of things quick, starting with seeing where Constable, NY even is in relation to me (curiosity, basically). Before I knew it I was making a map. Once I had started, I kept thinking back to cases that I've commented on or read about over the years, and each time I felt like I should look it up and at least note the date/place on the map so that I wouldn't constantly be looking things back up over and over. Things snowballed during a particularly boring stretch of bad weather during which I was stuck indoors and bored and decided to spend a little time on this. I tend to do the heck out of whatever I do.

Plus just looking into his eyes I felt like he was talking to me and I disliked that feeling intensely. Then reading his clear mindf*(% of a "suicide note" it became still clearer that this guy was way beyond what people thought / think. Master manipulator, here.

That sense of "oh crap I wonder if people realize what a monster he truly is, I think he's killed more than they know" kept me plugging away.

Something like that.

I read missing persons cases, I work on them in my free time out of a sense of "have to do something" that is difficult to otherwise fulfill, and I occasionally write articles about them.

This just called out to me. Ya know?

And, I feel that this thing where he supposedly doesn't kill children is incorrect. Bigtime.

I think the Constable house is a house of horrors and I shudder to think about all the potential stuff that state gameland or whatever they call that public forest of like 500 acres or whatever holds up there, that his property borders.

FYI: IK, comitted suicide on the day a movie; 'On Frozen Ground' was slated for release. OFG, focused on Robert Hansen; Hansen stalked and murdered between 17 and 21 young women, kidnapping them and taking them out to the Alaskan wilderness where he shot and buried them.. FBI John Douglas profiled Hansen to a T...
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frozen_Ground"]The Frozen Ground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

GGE, noticed a hybrid serial killer/predator emerging.
Seems that many serial killers of today are either very intelligent, idiot savant, or simply hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured. Many that I have studied, not only learn from their mistakes but from the mistakes of serial killers prior. I refer to them as emulators; a new breed of copycat/hybrids. They are forensically aware, as well as being up on the latest investigative strategies & techniques of investigators. Keyes admitted to studying others and said that he could relate to Bundy. Thought it very ironic that Keyes comitted suicide on the same date that 'The Frozen Ground'- Alaskan SK Robert Hansen movie was originally scheduled for release.

With the advent of the internet, smart phones, modes of transportation, gps, etc., in many cases behavioral and geographical profiling is rendered useless as is shown by Israel Keye's unconventional trail of terror. Keyes; a stealth predator gives new meaning to jurisdictional linkage blindness and could have rewritten the book on rules of prey.. They say that to understand the artist, you have to interpret their artwork. Israel Keys' art was very dark and very abstract..

I have always wondered if the motive for the FBI BAU changing the definition of serial killer from 3 victims to 2 in 2005 was to decrease society's fascination of them, by dramatically increasing their numbers..

 

[GGE]

GGE, noticed a hybrid serial killer/predator emerging.
Seems that many serial killers of today are either very intelligent, idiot savant, or simply hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured. Many that I have studied, not only learn from their mistakes but from the mistakes of serial killers prior. I refer to them as emulators; a new breed of copycat/hybrids. They are forensically aware, as well as being up on the latest investigative strategies & techniques of investigators. Keyes admitted to studying others and said that he could relate to Bundy. Thought it very ironic that Keyes comitted suicide on the same date that 'The Frozen Ground'- Alaskan SK Robert Hansen movie was originally scheduled for release.

With the advent of the internet, smart phones, modes of transportation, gps, etc., in many cases behavioral and geographical profiling is rendered useless as is shown by Israel Keye's unconventional trail of terror. Keyes; a stealth predator gives new meaning to jurisdictional linkage blindness and could have rewritten the book on rules of prey.. They say that to understand the artist, you have to interpret their artwork. Israel Keys' art was very dark and very abstract..

SBM..

So many things that you write here, I want to comment on. Hard to sort my thoughts. For now I'm going to leave out any commentary on OFG because I haven't read the wikipedia link you gave me yet and I'm unfamiliar with it altogether right now.

I've bolded the things that specifically stand out to me in your reply. And let me just say up front that bringing up the map today and reading this thread has been my first exposure to IK for several months. After his suicide note was released and I transcribed it myself immediately, I realized I had to take a long break from the case. The note is a powerful piece of programming equipment, for lack of a better term, and if it's true that sites were being asked to pull it shortly after it's released, I'm glad. (At the time my own transcription seemed to me to be the most accurate of any that was out there, but I've no idea what the "official" version ended up being. I recall feeling at the time that something was quite possibly even being read out of order.)

Anyway, since it's been so long my memory may be a bit poor until I get back into the swing of things.

Speaking of irony, I found it incredibly ironic that he killed the Curriers in Burlington, VT and didn't even realize his idol Ted Bundy was born there.

I did find some common denominators in his travels and murders, and think there are some kinds of trails actually... fishing licenses come to mind..

And I love your quote about understanding an artist... his note is his most prolific painting... there's much to be found there, I think.. very dark indeed. Dark and compelling, somehow.. that's the danger of the note...

 

[GGE]

Wow, Digndoodle, thank-you for posting, those are most astute observations and linkages.

Is this the picture that you mean, that was was similar to Israel Keyes?

http://jenniferkesse.com/person-of-interest.htm

It's the strangest set of coincidences for me today with this case.. first I noticed this picture (above) and the date of January 24 that is stamped on it. I thought to myself "oh, that's funny, two of my relatives were born on January 24". Then I opened my map that I linked here for the first time in months and clicked an item and it said I had last edited that item on January 24. Then a short time ago I looked up Keyes' idol, Ted Bundy, to double check something and noticed it said he died on.. January 24.

Weird!

 

[GGE]

QUESTION THAT BOTHERS ME:

He flew into Chicago airport 6/2/2011, rented a car, drove to VT. Arrived 6/5/2011.

According to google maps this is a 14.5 - 15 hour drive, not a 72 hour drive. Where else did he go?

BTW, Lauren Spierer went missing 6/3/2011 from Bloomington, IN.

Google says driving from Chicago to Bloomington to Burlington, VT would take 20 hours.. and he'd pass almost straight by his Constable house on the way through, which would be very convenient for him I would think.

Thoughts? Did I miss this already being explored in more detail? Was there not a white pickup truck like IK's seen in some video re: Lauren's disappearance?

 

[dotr]

It just dawned on me that it takes a certain type of person to wear black shoes with white pants, especially what appears to be high waisted ones. Wondering if that was something IK was known to wear? Are the bottoms of his pants and t shirt sleeves rolled up too with hands in pockets?

 

[GGE]

Possible patterns - Very difficult to find when you have only two verified confirmed sets of victims (Curriers, Sam Koenig). But I will try:

He killed before upcoming family visits.
He killed then traveled immediately.

example - killed the Curriers 6/8/2011 then immediately went to Maine to visit his parents

example - killed Sam Koenig 2/1/2012 then flew 2/2 to Houston where he rented a car and drove to attend his sister's wedding

editing to add example - Keyes told LE he killed someone on the east coast in spring 2009 and disposed of their body in NY state (he did not say whether the person was from NY or not) - Keyes went to his grandmother's 90th birthday celebration in July 2009. Killing before a family visit.

 

[GGE]

Possible Pattern:

Bank robberies shortly after murders, generally after his post-murder travel.

example - kill sam koenig 2/1/12, fly to houston tx 2/2, took a cruise from about 2/3-2/15, then robbed the bank in Azle, TX on 2/16 (killed in one spot, robbed after post-murder travel)

example - told FBI he abducted and killed someone on the east coast in spring 2009 and then disposed of the body in NY state, then we already know he robbed a bank in Tupper Lake, NY on April 9, 2009 (killed in one spot - "east coast", robbed after post-murder travel to NY to dispose of the body (OR BEFORE? We do not have exact date of the murder, only "spring".. but February is winter in NY and June is summer so, March, April, or May sounds right to me, being from upstate NY myself))

question related to possible pattern - he killed the curriers on 6/8/11 then visited family in Maine, then drove back to Essex (via New Hampshire where he burned evidence in a National Forest) and retrieved his kill kit used in the Currier's murder, then brought it to Parishville, NY to disposed of the gun in Blake's Falls reservoir. When after this did he rob a bank if this pattern is one that he stuck to?

 

[GGE]

Another note regarding post-murder bank robberies:

We know that he killed two single people and one couple in Washington state, and we know the approximate years these murders happened. Coupled with the FBI timeline of his travels, we should be able to find reasonably placed bank robberies that we can then try to link to him.

example - We know he killed two individuals in Washington at two different times in 2005 - 2006.

FBI timeline says that he was in Washington and British Columbia between 4/20-25/2005, in Western US from 5/10-5/15/2006, in AK from 9/1-9/7/2006 (just to name a few of his 2006 travels) - if we know he killed someone in Washington during that time, it may be worthwhile to explore a theory that his subsequent travel to "western US", Alaska, and/or the other places he went in 2006 would then be good locations to search for bank robberies.

(expand this example to encompass all known scenarios for full effect. It's late and I'm too tired to explore all examples just now. I'm sure you get the idea. )

 

[GGE]

Possible POTENTIAL Pattern - *requires further investigation*

He was an avid fisherman, or at least an avid fishing-license-obtainer. He got fishing licenses when staying someplace for any period of time, including to scope out potential victims and/or to bury kill kits.

example - he got a fishing license in Alaska first in 2006, then again after he moved there in 2007, then while he was still living there in 2009 and 2010 (I don't have more info, he may or may not have in 2008, 11, and 12 also). He spent a great deal of time there, so got a fishing license there.

example - he got a temporary fishing license when he arrived in Vermont on 6/5/11 to use while he scoped out potential victims before settling on the Curriers and killing them on 6/8/11. He also had a kill kit buried here - uncertain whether fishing license was used in any way to help him access the area he had it in.

POTENTIAL BENEFIT IF THIS PROVES TOO BE A PATTERN: Find wherever he's ever had a fishing license. Explore missing persons and national forests (for kill kits).

 

[GGE]

btw I already compared IK's white truck and the one on the Lauren Spierer image since my above post suggesting the truck connection, and they're not a match.

Doesn't mean much though, because there's no real evidence a white truck had anything to do with her disappearance anyhow, and we don't know what all trucks IK has had over the years either.

 

[digndoodle]

It's the strangest set of coincidences for me today with this case.. first I noticed this picture (above) and the date of January 24 that is stamped on it. I thought to myself "oh, that's funny, two of my relatives were born on January 24". Then I opened my map that I linked here for the first time in months and clicked an item and it said I had last edited that item on January 24. Then a short time ago I looked up Keyes' idol, Ted Bundy, to double check something and noticed it said he died on.. January 24.

Weird!

Hello GGE, Sitting here now reading all your posts, looking at your map.....I had to laugh when you said Keyes eyes seem to be speaking to you, When they 1st released his photo, I got so upset I had to just get up from the puter and try to lay down., the little inner voice kept saying "You know that man, You know that man".....How in the world would I know someone in Anchorage??...did not sleep 2 nights straight in a row....on the 2nd night I got up and all of a sudden it hit me the man walking by the fence in J. Kesse's case.....I began as you did, pulling up everything I could find on this case....I have stated so many times on here I will go to my grave 198% believing Keyes was her abductor.....the photo is exactly like Keyes wore his hair at that particular year, CONSTRUCTION WORK was extensive at her condo...Keyes was a carpenter his whole adult life....I know now he has cousin's and uncles in Orlando...One being a pastor of a large church there...I tried to contact the Kesse family but I know they think I'm a huge nut-bucket...lol......My next biggest PRAYER is that they will release the dates he is known to board a ship, he apparently took cruises at different intervals...QUESTION?? could he have been on the same ship that Jenn and her boyfriend was on their weekend cruise and followed her to the condo the very night she returned home???...or was he simply working at her condo on construction....Could be either to me....so many things I have posted and my insides know this was Keyes.....I cannot explain how or why, but as you said seems those cold eyes spoke to me deep inside......They have never found anything to go on in this case except this image.....The walk has been studied on another site for Kesse...MILITARY TYPE STRIDE-WALK.....PROVEN....SHOES ARE MILITARY BOOTS.....UPPER HEAD AND CHEST STANCE:....KNOWN MILITARY TYPE HEAD AND CHEST HOLD...EYES NEVER MOVING FROM SIDE TO SIDE..........and my next SLAP IN THE FACE is Tara Grindstead......I have turned all this in to FBI...but Ocilla Police took the information, but you could just tell I was just going BLAH BLAH BLAH to them.....Remember they did hold a meeting to compare these 2 cases but found not much in their eyes that would make them link the 2 cases.................I feel Keyes was in Florida for a stay or visit (HE LOVED TO TRAVEL RURAL ROADS) and as he stated sometimes he traveled hundreds, even thousands of miles to get a victim....I feel just as strong way down deep in MY KNOWING that he had been watching Tara for a good while, planning his crime......and in order to better understand WHY.....He told authorities he loved victims that would gain a lot of media attention...he got just about as much thrill going to a computer and watching media coverage as he did doing the actual murder...........He knew Jennifer and Tara was beautiful ladies, BOTH had good jobs, loving families...and Tara was a beauty queen..................BLACK TRUCK.....I have read all over the place that a Black Truck was seen parked in the grass at Tara's house the night she was taken.......I could not verify this 100% but then a little group I am in on FB.....I happen to mention Tara's name and this lady posted to me That she owned a rental house right out the road from Tara's...and on the night Tara was taken, she had a friend renting the house, she was going to come over to this ladies house for a visit and she started to back out of the driveway and a BLACK TRUCK almost ran her over..., she got so upset at the speed the truck was traveling, she had to get out for a moment to calm down....she looked and told her friend that owns this house that it definitely came from Tara's house or close to where her house sits...Also a man that only RECENTLY came forth told LE there that he was out walking that night around the neighborhood and that he saw the truck, but he knew he had to walk past, so he did and that this person started screaming, and gave him many many threats, that they were so bad, he went home and feared for his life.....and only pretty recently did he come forth and tell LE there what he saw .........I feel Keyes was the person sitting in her yard....probably a rental vehicle...and this man probably startled him and he also knew this man had seen him face to face...so he did the Keyes thing....He threatened him hard and this man was horrified....and also Keyes was probably upset that Tara had not come home the very time he expected to carry out this crime..he was a control freak.....There is much more I can put out there if need be...but as I said I will leave this earth believing 199.9% that this is 2 of Keyes victims, until they can bring another POI forth in both cases and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it was not Keyes....but I don't think they will ever do that...Keyes was on a rampage in Florida for awhile and possibly 1 other young lady close to Kesse may have been one of his victims, but I cannot find enough about that case to make me bring it forth to public and I feel and have said before....If they continue to work on the Keyes case and not push it under a rug, there will be huge numbers of his victims......I also had to take a break from the case as far as reading and etc......It gets very dark and deep when you find certain groups of people that he was known to associate with, even been seen with.....and may have been a member with...I just could not believe this 1 person could plan, manipulate, and do such things that he has done...and when I found out possible people that he was associated with...I quit....It was way beyond my feeble comprehension as a simple wife and country girl....ha ha ha

 

[digndoodle]

btw I already compared IK's white truck and the one on the Lauren Spierer image since my above post suggesting the truck connection, and they're not a match.

Doesn't mean much though, because there's no real evidence a white truck had anything to do with her disappearance anyhow, and we don't know what all trucks IK has had over the years either.

GGE, Keyes rarely used his own vehicle when doing crimes...he used rental cars or trucks as he told APD.....and at one time he had a dark colored 2 toned work truck....

Here is a new link they recently released and YIPPPPEEEEE....it does have him traveling to ORLANDO in 2009.....not that this is they year I believe he done a lot of dirty work in Florida but he is now linked to Florida and Alabama...NOTE*** on this newly released timeline....He went to the boarder of Mexico and WALKED OVER for 1 night and then came back???....You can bet there was some shady doings in that 1 night

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2013/05...ts-lack-of-national-missing-persons-database/

 

[digndoodle]

when the article comes up click on the map, it moves slowly to show various travels

 

[GGE]

GGE, Keyes rarely used his own vehicle when doing crimes...he used rental cars or trucks as he told APD.....and at one time he had a dark colored 2 toned work truck....

Here is a new link they recently released and YIPPPPEEEEE....it does have him traveling to ORLANDO in 2009.....not that this is they year I believe he done a lot of dirty work in Florida but he is now linked to Florida and Alabama...NOTE*** on this newly released timeline....He went to the boarder of Mexico and WALKED OVER for 1 night and then came back???....You can bet there was some shady doings in that 1 night

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2013/05...ts-lack-of-national-missing-persons-database/

Hi digndoodle Does that mean you like to sleuth and sketch? I like that name. You type like I think - fast, so nothing gets left out because brain moves faster than tongue/fingers (I talk fast, too).

so, I have to take your first post slowly because there's a lot of information there and I don't want to skip over anything because of that. Instead, I'm going to reply to that one after this one.

I hadn't seen this link yet, and I'm really excited to check it out. Thanks for posting it! Our electricity has gone out and we're currently on generator power so I've no idea how much internet / computer time I will get today. If I don't get back to you/this thread in a timely manner it's only because I can't. But I am definitely going to take a close look at the cases you're convinced about, today if I can.

Maybe you can help me out here... Keyes told LE that his plan, had he not been caught, was to travel to tornado alley and hurricane-hit areas during the next storm season so he could do carpentry for people who were temporarily "off the grid" and in desperate need of carpenters, etc. because they'd be easy targets.

So.

Can you please find out / let me know whether there were natural disaster-sticken areas in Florida around that time or in adjacent states during the time frames that you think these cases you're looking at would've occurred? (If I said that coherently.) This might've been why he might've been down south.

Thanks!

ETA - oh wow I love this article so, so much. I'm going to have a good bit of mapwork to do I think. This is going to help immensely. I see how it says there is no national database of missing adults - I have the computer background as well as the missing persons obsession that would make me ideal to head or at least work high up on such a project, and I need work. Perhaps fate will fall in my lap, or perhaps I will chase it down at some point if I figure out how.. for now I will add their stuff to my map and see where it takes me. This is such an exciting day, cant' thank you enough for this link.

 

[digndoodle]

Hi digndoodle Does that mean you like to sleuth and sketch? I like that name. You type like I think - fast, so nothing gets left out because brain moves faster than tongue/fingers (I talk fast, too).

so, I have to take your first post slowly because there's a lot of information there and I don't want to skip over anything because of that. Instead, I'm going to reply to that one after this one.

I hadn't seen this link yet, and I'm really excited to check it out. Thanks for posting it! Our electricity has gone out and we're currently on generator power so I've no idea how much internet / computer time I will get today. If I don't get back to you/this thread in a timely manner it's only because I can't. But I am definitely going to take a close look at the cases you're convinced about, today if I can.

Maybe you can help me out here... Keyes told LE that his plan, had he not been caught, was to travel to tornado alley and hurricane-hit areas during the next storm season so he could do carpentry for people who were temporarily "off the grid" and in desperate need of carpenters, etc. because they'd be easy targets.

So.

Can you please find out / let me know whether there were natural disaster-sticken areas in Florida around that time or in adjacent states during the time frames that you think these cases you're looking at would've occurred? (If I said that coherently.) This might've been why he might've been down south.

Thanks!

ETA - oh wow I love this article so, so much. I'm going to have a good bit of mapwork to do I think. This is going to help immensely. I see how it says there is no national database of missing adults - I have the computer background as well as the missing persons obsession that would make me ideal to head or at least work high up on such a project, and I need work. Perhaps fate will fall in my lap, or perhaps I will chase it down at some point if I figure out how.. for now I will add their stuff to my map and see where it takes me. This is such an exciting day, cant' thank you enough for this link.

GGE, not sure if there was tornado activity during this time, but I feel Keyes had NO permanent home that was known at these years, no permanent girlfriend.....NOTE**** it has been verified on another site he has cousins in Florida and then I researched and he has cousins and uncles there....Cousin being a pastor of a large church in ORLANDO....................Also NOTE**** He was childhood friends of Chevie and Cheyne Kehoe.....Cheyne is living in Florida, that is where they were born and 2 years ago Cheyne was arrested on a small charge in Daytona Beach (can be found on the web)......He has tons of relatives there...I feel he may just have choosen to go there for a visit and always looking for work, he started working at Jennifer's Condo because it was being totally remodeled (the whole unit where she bought)...probably some good money in this construction job also.....and Jenn spoke fluent Spanish and had complained to the owner that some of the workers made rude comments to her walking in and out and always watched her if she left her condo, she even told her parents she did not like the workers due to the comments and also the const. workers were allowed to stay in empty condo's while working there....This was a new place, and it has been said not many condo's in her building were permanently occupied so that would make tons of workers staying nights in the empty condo's.....and all evidence they found was a Man's Sweater in her clothes hamper...MEDIUM....it belonged to none of her brothers friends that had spent the weekend there while Jenn was on her trip with her boyfriend and his family...so some male MEDIUM BUILD took a bath and forgot to get his sweater...as far as I've read, they have NEVER linked the sweater to anyone in the family nor any friends...then several days later the discovered the unit had a survelience camera and it had caught this image above driving her car, parking it, getting out and then walking by the fence....Note*** Car had very very little mileage on it....that sounds like Keyes.....He plans on where he is going to kill his victims and has his kill kits buried....There is a very large empty field or acreage behind these condo's.....One lady reported she helped search for another lady in this area and even turned into FBI that there was what appeared to be a shallow grave in one part of this field....and some ladies items were found here and there....They did take her info. and the clothing but not 1 word has been made public as of this date....I feel Jenn was not taken very far to probably dispose of her body...I feel they should go in and search that ground for one of his kill kits and the shallow grave really stood out to me.....
I hope you saw the comparison photo of the Boca Raton Mall Shooter on the page back.....I 199.9% believe this is Keyes....it has now been a little over 7 years since those happened and no suspect has proved out....and also Jennifer went missing right after these shootings.....I believe Keyes at the time was living in Florida or staying with relatives and as usual he did some killings while there....and I do NOT believe Keyes did not kill kids....I believe he did, maybe not after his daughter was born, but he was so dark and sick, he killed whoever was in his way when committing his dirty work

 

[digndoodle]

http://www.alaskapublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_2059.jpg


I was looking at the map closely.....New places that stood out to me was on 01-28-08 he flew from Anchorage to Mobile Alabama...rented a car with 691 miles on it and he left Mobile on 02-06-08 and flew to Seattle Washington and on the same day 02-06-08 in Seattle he rented another car and it had 1,152 miles when returned and from there he went back to Anchorage and arrived on 02-15-08........That's a LOT of traveling and driving in this small time period....and while in Mobile they have circled where he might have possibly driven and it was Louisiana, Mississippi and places in Alabama......Would be good places to check for bank robberies and missing people

Then on 12-11-08 he flew from Anchorage to Cancun Mexico..rented a car there but mileage is unknown...and stayed until 12-25-08

Then in 2009 he flew from Anchorage to Orlando Florida on 12-17-09 and left on 12-29-09 with no known vehicle

I feel just in these 3 given places we need to check for possible bank robberies and missing people during these times. almost certain Keyes was up to no good on each trip he is known to take

 

[GGE]

ETA - oh wow I love this article so, so much. I'm going to have a good bit of mapwork to do I think. This is going to help immensely. I see how it says there is no national database of missing adults - I have the computer background as well as the missing persons obsession that would make me ideal to head or at least work high up on such a project, and I need work. Perhaps fate will fall in my lap, or perhaps I will chase it down at some point if I figure out how.. for now I will add their stuff to my map and see where it takes me. This is such an exciting day, cant' thank you enough for this link.

Quoting myself to observe that I just spent the better part of 6+ hours modifying my map and all of the existing FBI timeline data points to merge with the new data points given in the interactive map on the link I was commenting about above.

Pretty soon we'll have every day of his life mapped, here. (slight exaggeration.)

http://goo.gl/maps/uqDdk

 

[GGE]

...on the 2nd night I got up and all of a sudden it hit me the man walking by the fence in J. Kesse's case.....

...the photo is exactly like Keyes wore his hair at that particular year,

.....They have never found anything to go on in this case except this image.....The walk has been studied on another site for Kesse...MILITARY TYPE STRIDE-WALK.....PROVEN....SHOES ARE MILITARY BOOTS.....UPPER HEAD AND CHEST STANCE:....KNOWN MILITARY TYPE HEAD AND CHEST HOLD...EYES NEVER MOVING FROM SIDE TO SIDE..........

SBM - taking your post in chunks -
I saw the conversation earlier in the thread about this video image, the clothing worn, the haircut, the walk, the height estimate of the person. I can see all of the points you make. I'm not as convinced like you are but I'm very intrigued. I'm completely unfamiliar with the Kesse case though other than this thread's references to it.

My next biggest PRAYER is that they will release the dates he is known to board a ship, he apparently took cruises at different intervals...

Yes, this would be nice. The article you linked me to earlier sure goes a long way towards detailing his travels so far, though.

my next SLAP IN THE FACE is Tara Grindstead......I have turned all this in to FBI...but Ocilla Police took the information, but you could just tell I was just going BLAH BLAH BLAH to them.....Remember they did hold a meeting to compare these 2 cases but found not much in their eyes that would make them link the 2 cases.................

This is another case I'm completely unfamiliar with, so can't comment unfortunately, at least not rigiht now.

I feel Keyes was in Florida for a stay or visit (HE LOVED TO TRAVEL RURAL ROADS) and as he stated sometimes he traveled hundreds, even thousands of miles to get a victim....I feel just as strong way down deep in MY KNOWING that he had been watching Tara for a good while, planning his crime......

That doesn't, IMHO, fit IK. He wasn't a long-term watcher and planner.

and in order to better understand WHY.....

He told authorities he loved victims that would gain a lot of media attention...he got just about as much thrill going to a computer and watching media coverage as he did doing the actual murder...........

This is the opposite of what I understand to be true. Until the Curriers, none of his victims got any media attention and that was how he wanted it. He said he intentionally chose people who looked like they would be missed less than others, people who were in isolated locations doing solitary things. He said that only one of his prior victims had even ever been found (which is prime way to get media attention - let your victims be found), but it was wrongly ruled an accidental death. While it is true that LE found evidence on his computer that he had read articles online about the Curriers murder and then about Sam Koenig's, it is also true that they stated no other potential leads about potential victims was found on his computers. It is highly likely, IMHO, that he looked up info about their murder only after he heard about it in other mainstream media and realized that for the first time he had committed a crime that got attention.

The media attention was very likely the only thing different about the Curriers' murder as compared to all his others, and I think that difference started his decline right then. He started doing things differently right then, like looking up his victim on his home computer. He'd never done that before - LE found no evidence of him doing that with any prior victims.

When he kidnapped Sam he broke another of his rules - committing a crime in his own town. He was already cracking. And then it happened again - the media attention - and IMHO it further contributed to his undoing. Again, he read about his own crime online - now for the second time. He started breaking still MORE of his own rules, hitting up ATMs in his own town and sending a ransom note, etc... crazy stuff he never did before. But then again, he'd also never committed a crime that had gotten so much attention before.

All IMHO, of course.

If they continue to work on the Keyes case and not push it under a rug, there will be huge numbers of his victims......

I agree, there are a huge number of victims. They need to bring a massive focus on recovering dna from the Constable house, IMHO.