AK, NY Israel Keyes - Who are all of his victims???

[digndoodle]

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...3958939466_5351602_511125302269665#f2ca20c018

 

[neverletgo]

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...3958939466_5351602_511125302269665#f2ca20c018

From digndoodle's link above:

In his final interview, Israel Keyes made a chilling reference to the possibility of a death by his own hand, rather than waiting on the government to do it for him. “The bottom line is … we already all know how this ends,” says Keyes, laughing.

:furious:

 

[digndoodle]

From digndoodle's link above:



:furious:

If you click on the link in this article where it says taped conversations...WOW this Monster had a high esteem of himself up to the last conversation....I have tried to listen to some of them, but can't get them with volume where I can understand them or the conversation clearly
I was just waiting the past few weeks to see if they would truly follow through with ongoing leads and etc....When they went to court they did make them unseal partial documents....I believe there will be a story come out soon that will make our mouths all drop down very low.....The more I read and search on Keyes I want to know what Ships he took on these cruises!!!......how many is he linked too....and from what state did the ship leave....Was reading on a site yesterday about a Royal Carribean Cruise back in 2005 where a young lady "Amy Bradley" was with her family on vacation, she disappeared on the cruise and has never been seen or heard from since...also another young man disappeared off a Royal Carribean Ship the same year......I PRAY that the FBI will make them all release documents as to passengers that boarded each ship and would LOVE to know about the 2 days trip to Hawaii...Nobody normal takes a trip to Hawaii and only stays overnite...but he was not normal....I can almost lay money on a table that there will be a victim or victims on this short trip...and you all know I'm stuck and will follow through until they prove me wrong about Jennifer Kesse....I would love to know what Ship she and her boyfriend and family took on their trip to the Bahama's......Keyes could have even been on the same cruise and started checking out things with her over this weekend
All I will say is MORE TO COME!! LOL

 

[Knox]

Wonder if Thurston County has looked into IK for Nancy Moyers disappearance?
http://catchwmw.com/2013/03/08/four...of-private-eyes-taking-on-case/#axzz2QHkkJB9c

Goeden shows Keyes a list of items seized presumably from his boat in Washington state, including swabs taken of possible blood stains and "a ball of unknown material."
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...ael-keyes-listen-his-interviews-investigators

 

[digndoodle]

I post this with my head hung in shame of our US System....SHAME ON US.....Keyes would give 2 bodies and possibly a murder weapon for a CIGAR???.....They knew he was a serial killer, bank robber, and arsonists....Why not get him in a private room where no-one could hear or see them and everytime he lied slap the fire out of his mouth....He would have talked soon if they had got really strict with him, but they choose I feel to let him be in control....and if I were FBI investigating him and this case...I would have made up an execution date and lied to him just like he did to them...He told them if they guaranteed he would be killed within 1 year he would give them all his crimes...so I feel the whole system here failed the American Public miserably

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/natio...ael-keyes-offered-two-bodies-for-a-cigar.html

 

[digndoodle]

This is an article that I saw last evening, WHY are they having such difficulty???.....I can understand maybe trying to search out victims he gave only vague hints on, but what about all the hard work so many people have put into reading, researching, and spent hours getting links and calling??................Are they just going to give up and blame closing down the case due to this glitch??.......Why will they not follow through with all the leads that people have called in and talked to them about...Correct me if I am wrong, but when his DNA was entered does that not make it easier to put in a possible victim's DNA and compare to see if he was the person involved???
As we have discussed and compared, it's almost a 199% possibility he is the Boca Raton Mall Shooter...I mean Helen Keller could have made this comparison and passed it...lol......and I know they have a lot more that have been turned in, some went into great detail giving them where they were abducted,and went on to give them many reasons why they feel so strong these cases was that of I Keyes.........I have given them 2 cases as you all know that I will go to my grave believing and almost knowing IK abducted them, there are lots of good leads on the FB Page...and 1 case they have a comparison photo of the person that used their atm card it's almost identical to the earlier IK
and can FBI not get the cruise ships to release all records of the times they knew he took a cruse??......they know he left out of New Orleans on the last one he took, so as far as I have read there were only 2 cruise lines that parted there on the date he gave officials he left on and about the 2 day 1 night stay in Hawaii???.....I have a big problem with that trip...There will be a victim or victims either before he departed or you can lay money down there will be some dirty work in Hawaii.................I'm just totally frustrated right now because I know of a few people that have put many many hours of hard work into linking this person to missing people crimes and one or two have missing adults and was praying they might get some type of closure......
I have heard this but do not know how this works....I have 1 friend that says he did not kill himself!!!.....I talked at length with this person....they say he could have been working for someone else, got sloppy and pleaded a deal, changed his name and identity and maybe walking free at this time?? Is this possible??....I will say Alaskan officals sure kept a lot quiet and for a long time at that and I have to say you hear of people going underground all the time.....I will close but I'm DAZED AND CONFUSED!!!!...LOL

 

[digndoodle]

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2013/05...ts-lack-of-national-missing-persons-database/

SORRY, I forgot to put the link to the newest article

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Just found that this Wednesday Night's episode of the Dark Minds will have all about the Boca Raton Mall Shootings...it is on the Discovery Channel at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time


http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/dark-minds/videos/dont-hurt-my-son.htm

Here's the thread for the Boca Raton murders. Let's move all discussion about that particular case over there please.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59010"]FL FL - Nancy Bochicchio & daughter Joey, murdered in Boca Raton, 2007 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Bullshark]

This is an article that I saw last evening, WHY are they having such difficulty???.....I can understand maybe trying to search out victims he gave only vague hints on, but what about all the hard work so many people have put into reading, researching, and spent hours getting links and calling??................Are they just going to give up and blame closing down the case due to this glitch??.......Why will they not follow through with all the leads that people have called in and talked to them about...Correct me if I am wrong, but when his DNA was entered does that not make it easier to put in a possible victim's DNA and compare to see if he was the person involved???
As we have discussed and compared, it's almost a 199% possibility he is the Boca Raton Mall Shooter...I mean Helen Keller could have made this comparison and passed it...lol......and I know they have a lot more that have been turned in, some went into great detail giving them where they were abducted,and went on to give them many reasons why they feel so strong these cases was that of I Keyes.........I have given them 2 cases as you all know that I will go to my grave believing and almost knowing IK abducted them, there are lots of good leads on the FB Page...and 1 case they have a comparison photo of the person that used their atm card it's almost identical to the earlier IK
and can FBI not get the cruise ships to release all records of the times they knew he took a cruse??......they know he left out of New Orleans on the last one he took, so as far as I have read there were only 2 cruise lines that parted there on the date he gave officials he left on and about the 2 day 1 night stay in Hawaii???.....I have a big problem with that trip...There will be a victim or victims either before he departed or you can lay money down there will be some dirty work in Hawaii.................I'm just totally frustrated right now because I know of a few people that have put many many hours of hard work into linking this person to missing people crimes and one or two have missing adults and was praying they might get some type of closure......
I have heard this but do not know how this works....I have 1 friend that says he did not kill himself!!!.....I talked at length with this person....they say he could have been working for someone else, got sloppy and pleaded a deal, changed his name and identity and maybe walking free at this time?? Is this possible??....I will say Alaskan officals sure kept a lot quiet and for a long time at that and I have to say you hear of people going underground all the time.....I will close but I'm DAZED AND CONFUSED!!!!...LOL

He was arrested in my hometown. It just struck me as odd since I have known two serial killers personally in my lifetime. Both of them I met in Lubbock Texas in college. Enlighten me in why you think he may not have killed himeself. That intrigues me

 

[digndoodle]

He was arrested in my hometown. It just struck me as odd since I have known two serial killers personally in my lifetime. Both of them I met in Lubbock Texas in college. Enlighten me in why you think he may not have killed himeself. That intrigues me

Bullshark, I personally thought this on the day they announced they found him in his cell dead....Just a deep down feeling I got, I know many and I will say again MANY have said APD runs a shady system there and I have went from article to articles reading, searched anything I could find on Keyes and etc.....On one article they released there was really bad comments made towards APD.......One man actually came out and he asked the APD how in the world was a certain person still keeping their job and he went on to say everyone knows this was an inside job and it will be revealed sooner or later and this man went on saying "Why don't you just spill the truth, so you can sleep at night" and left the person he was talking about name on there also
And the 1 friend I was talking about has many why's, how's and etc. he could have cut a deal and went underground....It has been speculated he was a hired hit-man and some of the talk was when he did their jobs, they felt he enjoyed it so much that he went on to choose his own victims for the thrill and pleasure....and something went down in the talks of the FBI and knew certain things, that if brought to light would link some of his people that hired him to the public, and he didn't like that so he choose or made a deal with them to keep it quiet....I will say REMEMBER the Kehoe Brothers was linked to Tim McVeigh and the Oklahoma Bombing....I found an article that really slapped me in the face....After the bombing many witnesses came forth and tried to tell FBI that there was more than 1 person running from that truck on that morning....the last I could count was they saw 6 more all dressed alike and I believe 2 of them was seen in that building that same morning ????.......FBI dismissed any and all of this info. and stated they did not want to re-open the case again????????????????????.......That should tell you something very bad went down, but they want this all covered up....One Kehoe brother was seen at the motel they all gathered at when McVeigh was known to have visited shortly before the bombing.....THOUGHT!!!....Could young Keyes been seen also at this motel along with his friend Kehoe???....I personally think YES he could...not long after his family turned him out of their home and he could never contact any of them again....He had to live somewhere so maybe the Kehoe brothers took him in.....I feel Tim McVeigh was just 1 person involved in the bombing, but he choose also to not come forth with any names, so much so he died by lethal injection....and I will say (because of my own safety) many forums and posts mention the Sarah Palin and family a lot.....I feel Alaska is a perfect place to live if you want to do some shady dealings...lots of barren land there, so much so that if you choose to become a hermit..you can do so there...I have also heard he run with some pretty bad people that belong to big time racists groups....many are against Jews that are living today, some believe the White Race is superior and they will even pick on farmers if they know certain beliefs they have and maybe not kill, but go in and destroy their crops..they carry the belief that if they can raise no food, then they will soon starve certain groups of farmers to death and it will soon end that race or the beliefs they carry.....I'm just a common person...NEVER came close to being involved in anything like this...Never....but I have such a belief inside me of 2 people I 199.9% believe Keyes abducted them I just can't seem to get away from this case until they either shut the case off totally, or if they keep working and try to find all or most of his known victims.............Just remember Bullshark...Keyes was a well-traveled man in the US and many other countries that may have not been brought to the public as of yet and in the statement last week released they know he went to the Mexican Border and WALKED across, stayed 1 night and came back across...so he would have no problems in pleading a deal, never to be seen nor heard from again and if they did plead a deal with him, I PRAY there is someone that is smart enough to figure this all out and bring it to light.....I way down deep inside think he is dead, but no photo's and very little information has been released to this date...they didn't even want to talk about how he obtained a razor...yet you go to some of the other sites and read things that make you go huummmmm....maybe he is still alive.....Either way, I just want justice to the families to be done......and my hope is someday a family member, his girlfriend, or etc. will come forth and help us better understand WHY all this might have happened

 

[Bullshark]

Very interesting. Your points definitely slap me in the face too. My uncle was an FBI agent and worked with the CIA too he told me if the general public knew ten percent of what the government was hiding there would be mass hysteria. Israel is/was a monster and I think he could be one of the most prolific serial killers of all time. He took the chicken way out and we will prob never know, but I would bet one of my ranches he is the mall killer

 

[digndoodle]

Very interesting. Your points definitely slap me in the face too. My uncle was an FBI agent and worked with the CIA too he told me if the general public knew ten percent of what the government was hiding there would be mass hysteria. Israel is/was a monster and I think he could be one of the most prolific serial killers of all time. He took the chicken way out and we will prob never know, but I would bet one of my ranches he is the mall killer

Bullshark, I had no clue about all this until I went online and just began reading and searching various places......but FAMILY is just too quiet...to me that sends out some kind of weird feeling.....I have found absolutely nothing on the father here except he died on a trip in 2002...I would love to know what his home rules was, was he a white supremicists also???...The Kehoe's father was the ring leader of the bad things, Chevie was in school, straight A's...he had big plans to finish and become a Pilot, suddenly the father drawed them out of public schools and started homeschooling them...Chevie said he just gave up, because he was so isolated and HATE was taught in the home constantly..so look where he is now...serving 3 life sentences and the only reason Cheyne is out, he cut a deal to tell where Chevie was and to testify against him......and I'm sure your Uncle is correct....I think out government even right now has a lot they think is hidden and I'm sure they do have a lot hid......and he is correct if we as common people knew..we probably would never want to live to see another day on this earth...but I'm a simple minded lady...I believe in God and I believe in his Holy Word....It plainly tells us BE SURE YOUR SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT......that is one reason I keep up so close on this case.....I do believe that in time...and it may take a long time..but in time....someone, or some event will break loose and I feel a lot of IK's dirty work will be brought to light...He hurt too many families and YES...I believe Keyes will be known as one of the worst SK the US has ever had....he did not take all those trips for pleasure (maybe his sick demented pleasure) but I personally feel each trip he took was no-good and will be many victims yet to be linked to him
I feel 199.9% He is the Mall Shooter, the more you read, and when you read Jane Doe's account of what happened to her and the son....It is just soooooooooooooooo IK.....I cannot understand myself WHY they won't or have not taken this photo to Jane Doe.....Don't you think she would know if this is him or not in about 2 seconds???....I do...I feel she will never get that image out of her head, but would give her inner peace knowing he is now dead and won't come back to ever harm her or the son again

 

[Bullshark]

Bullshark, I had no clue about all this until I went online and just began reading and searching various places......but FAMILY is just too quiet...to me that sends out some kind of weird feeling.....I have found absolutely nothing on the father here except he died on a trip in 2002...I would love to know what his home rules was, was he a white supremicists also???...The Kehoe's father was the ring leader of the bad things, Chevie was in school, straight A's...he had big plans to finish and become a Pilot, suddenly the father drawed them out of public schools and started homeschooling them...Chevie said he just gave up, because he was so isolated and HATE was taught in the home constantly..so look where he is now...serving 3 life sentences and the only reason Cheyne is out, he cut a deal to tell where Chevie was and to testify against him......and I'm sure your Uncle is correct....I think out government even right now has a lot they think is hidden and I'm sure they do have a lot hid......and he is correct if we as common people knew..we probably would never want to live to see another day on this earth...but I'm a simple minded lady...I believe in God and I believe in his Holy Word....It plainly tells us BE SURE YOUR SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT......that is one reason I keep up so close on this case.....I do believe that in time...and it may take a long time..but in time....someone, or some event will break loose and I feel a lot of IK's dirty work will be brought to light...He hurt too many families and YES...I believe Keyes will be known as one of the worst SK the US has ever had....he did not take all those trips for pleasure (maybe his sick demented pleasure) but I personally feel each trip he took was no-good and will be many victims yet to be linked to him
I feel 199.9% He is the Mall Shooter, the more you read, and when you read Jane Doe's account of what happened to her and the son....It is just soooooooooooooooo IK.....I cannot understand myself WHY they won't or have not taken this photo to Jane Doe.....Don't you think she would know if this is him or not in about 2 seconds???....I do...I feel she will never get that image out of her head, but would give her inner peace knowing he is now dead and won't come back to ever harm her or the son again

I agree completely. I want to be certain it is him as well. I have a 21 month old daughter and I know I cannot keep them safe all the time, only God is in control. However, I want to know this guy is off the street and not moved on to another state

 

[DanielleMiriya]

He did ask where we live and my husband had the sense not to tell him, out yard borders the garden area. Handy's is the hotel he stayed at both times he was here in 2009 and 2011.

Oh my gosh, that is so creepy! I know someone who hired him here in Alaska to do house renovations and her 17 year old daughter was home alone the entire week he worked there! Nothing happened, which is surprising since he was a serial killer. The mom was pretty shaken when we found out he was the one responsible for taking Koenig.

 

[digndoodle]

Oh my gosh, that is so creepy! I know someone who hired him here in Alaska to do house renovations and her 17 year old daughter was home alone the entire week he worked there! Nothing happened, which is surprising since he was a serial killer. The mom was pretty shaken when we found out he was the one responsible for taking Koenig.

Has this person you know that hired him come forth and talked to FBI???....they are still trying to work on the case and they want to gain as much knowledge about his mannerisms, and etc. also....I PRAY she came forth and talked with them...if not I urge her to share things like "was he quiet, did he carry on conversation with the daughter, anything she might know or noticed that was out of the ordinary......I personally have followed this case from day 1 they released the photo of him being captured in Texas...not because I wanted too, but I have inside thoughts on 2 of his possible victims and I try to gain any knowledge I can by searching and reading...It's almost as if it is at a standstill right now, but they say they are still trying to link victims to him
and don't be surprised he did nothing during his working time there, he told FBI in Anchorage he buried his caches in various places and later he would go back and do his crime using that cache which contained Cash, Murder Weapon, Drano, zip ties and usually black plastic bags...and he also told them in confessions that he planned on murdering more in Alaska if he had not been caught....and so far they have found 2 of his so called cache's he buried...One of them being in Alaska.....I saw where you are new to webslueths....he also confessed he was riding his bike in Anchorage and was in a park, he had a young couple staked out that was parked there in their car, had his gun ready to kill them, but a cop pulled up to tell them the park was closed...in HIS MIND he decided to try and then take all 3 of them out, but about the time he started to shoot, another back-up cop pulled up so his words was "I could have got in some serious trouble when the other cop pulled up...so I got on my bike and headed out of there onto another spot"....so even on a bike trip, he carried a gun????????......and they know he went to a different park that same time and I believe that is where he confessed he had buried 1 of his cache's...so as he confessed he was getting ready to kidnap and kill again in Anchorage or Alaska.....due to his Urges getting closer and closer together......This person was so demented by this time I personally feel he was highly addicted to the highs he got from killing, he got sloppy with Samatha Koenig, said he only intended to rob this coffee stand but slithered in the window and then held her at gunpoint....that is just so so sick to me......and he knew her boyfriend was going to pick her up within 5 min. so he decided he would just kill him also???......but Samatha did not have a vehicle and he forced her to get in his truck parked across the busy highway and that is where the camera's got him.....showed them getting into a white truck.....but even then he was smart...he had taken the carpenter rack off top, even removed his license plate (JUST IN CASE HE HAD TO MAYBE SOMETIME GET in his vehicle)???......but the ATM card is where I feel he was sloppy....started using in Anchorage just to see if she had gave him the right pin number that was very dumb to me....How I personally wish Samatha had gotten away from this MONSTER...and she did try, broke loose and tried to run, but him being a marathon runner of course he caught her....That one case alone just broke my heart for Her and Mr. Koenig...I can't even imagine his hurt....not even 1 part of it.....Keyes made them think she was alive for many weeks by contacting them with Samantha's phone...then the creep sat her up like she was still alive, too a photo of her and the paper where there was a large search out for her and a ransom note on the back (so sick) and blackmailed them for a very large amount of money.....but still No Samantha so this Monster decided he wants to go Ice fishing...goes to the lake (with her body chopped up in bags) sits there and fishes in his drilled hole he made.....and at HIS TIME, after he was finished fishing took the bags and put them in the hole under the frozen ice??????????.......Even when writing this, I get chills up the back of my neck....There was just no other word for this sick, demented monster.....He was cold inside and he was more like the devil than anyone I have ever met or read about.....he was not in anyway a human being.......

 

[JFinlay86]

Does anyone think this case could be one of Keyes? I was looking at the known flights/locations and comparing them to people on NAMUS etc and found this.
Rebekah Bramel, she went missing from either Springfield or Portland Oregon (She was last seen at her mothers in Portland, a car associated with her was found in rural east Springfield)on 30 April 2007, there was a possible siting of her in early May in Springfield. Keyes flew from Anchorage to Oakland CA on 24 April 2007, rented a car and drove 1,444 miles in it then flew out of Oakland on 4 May 2007. According to Google maps it would be about 520 miles from Oakland to Springfield, so that would be a return trip of 1040 miles.
It fits his timeline, her car was found out rural and it said she had no family and no apparent reason to have traveled to Springfield... Keyes said he would get victims to meet him in out of the way places... and from what I can see, her case didn't get a lot of media coverage.
I don't really know, I'm posting this to see what others think.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bramel_rebekah.html

 

[GGE]

I'm coming straight to the last page of this thread because, although I haven't even looked at this forum/thread yet in all the stuff I've done on WebSleuths, I *did*take a special interest in Keyes awhile back and spent weeks straight compiling information on him from birth to death. I have posterboards covered in timelines I made by hand.. *THAT* obsessed.

During that time I made what I considered to be the most comprehensive IK map out there, using all the resources I could find. I just thought I'd go ahead and leave a link to my map here in case it's helpful to all the people who participate in this thread. Then I can go back and read from the start, or try to.

Hope this is helpful. http://goo.gl/maps/DbIiA

 

[GGE]

Hm, ok, I wonder if he has other threads that might have a stronger focus on other possible victims of his because the point of my map was exactly what one poster suggested, to overlay known movements with possible victims' last known locations, and I need some help sleuthing those out! I"ll look.

 

[GGE]

Israel Keyes, accused in the kidnapping and killing of 18-year-old Samantha Koenig, is dead in an apparent suicide and is suspected in at least seven other deaths outside Alaska, authorities said Sunday.

[snip]

We believe there are four victims in Washington state," one in New York state, and a couple from Essex, Vt.

Authorities said Sunday that Keyes had confessed to the kidnapping and murder of the Vermont couple, Bill and Lorraine Currier, who disappeared in June 2011. Their bodies have not been recovered.

Rook said authorities do not know the names of the suspected additional victims in New York and Washington.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/12/02/2710993/israel-keyes-is-dead-troopers.html#storylink=cpy
​

I'm going to come in at the end and go back to the beginning. Hope that's okay, otherwise I can start a new thread if need be.

So. I think his New York victim is Bambi Lyn Madden. ( [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59239"]NY NY - Bambi Madden, 31, Binghamton, 11 Jan 2006 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame])

Here is my map. I have worked harder on this map and on studying this serial killer in general than probably anything else since graduating from college. And it's been quite some time since I did *THAT*.
http://goo.gl/maps/se93h

I really would love help coming up with potential victims that fit into the timeline I already have laid out with my map. Like I said, I'm not sure if maybe I should make my own thread for that, but since this thread title and opening post so closely align with my goals here, I figured this was the perfect place for this.

I did read the whole thread through but it would be easiest to start fresh with nominations for inclusion on the map from here, if anyone has suggestions that fit in.

Thanks, and hope this is helpful in finding more victims of IK (yes,"ick").

 

[Foxfire]

Hm, ok, I wonder if he has other threads that might have a stronger focus on other possible victims of his because the point of my map was exactly what one poster suggested, to overlay known movements with possible victims' last known locations, and I need some help sleuthing those out! I"ll look.

Excellent job GGE.. If I may ask, why the specific focus on IK, and how many total victims do you estimate from your research?