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I haven't seen the answer about the food.
Found Alive AL - Carlethia “Carlee” Russell, 25, 911 call reported toddler walking on side of interstate, car found, she & toddler gone, Birmingham, 13 Jul ‘23 #2
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I do believe this what the mother said has happened regarding “evil” people beyond any doubt, cruel and horrible, inserting themselves in real life situations as if they’re playing some kind of hurtful game. No doubt some of these incidents involved a grand conspiracy, the truth is of no concern. JMO
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“Her mother said the family has also been left traumatized. She also said they received "many" texts and calls from people who "maliciously lied" to them and pretended to know their daughter's whereabouts while she was missing. "I just didn't know people could be so evil," Talitha Robinson-Russell said, noting that there has also been widespread speculation around what happened during her daughter's disappearance in the wake of her return home.”
Parents of Alabama woman who went missing for 48 hours express relief at her return
Carlee Russell, 25, disappeared for 48 hours after she called 911 on Thursday to report seeing a toddler on the interstate. Police said there has been no evidence of a toddler.
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I think we’ve all heard of date rape drugs. But we don’t know that’s what Carlee told investigators.
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It was all too long ago for me to remember the progression of that investigation, sorry. I followed it back then in its entirety on this site. But I do believe they investigated every angle including both parents (they were divorced), a boyfriend (a young teen same age as Abby) etc. The articles that I found out there are very cut and dried and don't go back through all the drama during the course of the investigation. I do believe that once that letter came, even thought analyzed it, there was doubt that she was abducted. Did LE express that publicly? I am sure they did not but some of these things came out in the immediate aftermath.
I suggest you find her thread here, if it still exists. If it does, you'll find those answers there. It was a very highly attended thread.
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Yes. Not familiar with names but date-rape drugs and the substance used on handkerchiefs and put over a person's face to make them pass out. Certain there are others as well.
Have you ever seen the "police interrogation" videos on YT? People can be quite creative when they think displaying certain behavior may be beneficial... it often looks silly.
Certainly don't know that is the case, here... but absent any other information - I wouldn't dive too deep into the short description.
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Agree, I just think it’s unreliable to compare prior events at a different time, different personalities involving different police forces in order to support a similar outcome.
If it were, the more recent ”mom influencer” kidnapping incident could also be applicable.
JMO
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Rohypnol - 'Rupies' can cause a similar effect.
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Oh, I'm not blind to any of that and I'm not "comparing" facts etc. I followed that case in real time. My comments aligning with that case have EVERYTHING to do with not rushing to judgement and further abusing a victim. My comments should not reflect that I believe one thing or another. My mind is completely open because we do not have all the facts here. I don't come here to fight for my "theory". Sometimes people get the facts they need or want and boom, decision made and theory locked. It becomes a big deal when you realize that it can cause actual harm to the victim. The AH case was and always will be a reminder of that to me. WS is still a victim friendly site. Just because a lot of people have concluded that CR is not a real victim, just as in the AH case, doesn't mean that's a fact.
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These two things dont make sense for me in a hoax scenario:
Why call family members and 911 in close proximity to possibly find you/car within minutes? Why park the car with hazards twice for minutes at a time when a random car or emergency vehicle or police could have stopped also?
This doesn't make sense in an abduction scenario: How would abductor know a lone woman would stop?
Not going down the mental health route, too much unknowns there.
Could this have been some type of blackmail or acquaintance scenario, where she knew she may potentially be going into a dangerous meetup but called in a 'toddler on highway' to get a faster response without saying her situation?
Why call family members and 911 in close proximity to possibly find you/car within minutes? Why park the car with hazards twice for minutes at a time when a random car or emergency vehicle or police could have stopped also?
This doesn't make sense in an abduction scenario: How would abductor know a lone woman would stop?
Not going down the mental health route, too much unknowns there.
Could this have been some type of blackmail or acquaintance scenario, where she knew she may potentially be going into a dangerous meetup but called in a 'toddler on highway' to get a faster response without saying her situation?
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Yes, so look at how LE responded in the Pannini case, too, then. I'm not asking for anything to be validated, so it doesn't have to be 'reliable'. I was only asking for a general consensus of their actions.
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Xanax will cause a black out. Opiates can definitely cause nodding out. I don't know if I'd consider it a black out like in alcohol terms.
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I don't recall seeing if they used infrared in the search. What if she was passed out for 48hours and really doesn't remember?
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
It could be if she took something or was slipped something it began to take effect after she picked up the food.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
It could be if she took something or was slipped something it began to take effect after she picked up the food.
A trucker claimed to have seen a gray car with a tall, brown-skinned man wearing khaki shorts leaning over inside. Although the police found tire tracks in the grass, the lack of muddy terrain made it difficult to determine the type of vehicle involved, according to reports.
Police are still reviewing footage from the highway.
Earlier on Saturday evening, police were dispatched to a Red Roof Inn where family members claimed to have received a call from Russell stating that she was there. However, it was not immediately evident that she had been found during that time.
Talitha said her daughter, a nursing student, always “tries to help people wherever she can.”
“She’s just a joy to be around, a genuine person, a loving person,” the mother said.
Source: Atlanta Black Star
Addressing a few points, assuming a hoax scenario:
I think there is almost zero chance a hoax wouldn't involve accomplices. Carlee would never have got out the area by herself. Someone either drove her out or she hid in a nearby house. If someone can offer a likely scenario that doesn't involve those two things... please do.
The police may have arrived more quickly than she expected - BUT - it also wouldn't take long for her to walk through those trees and into a waiting car and be out of the area... which I think is the most likely of the "hoax" options.
Police will certainly know if there was a call to the family friend - but have no idea what actually was said on that call. That person could be in on it or Carlee could've been using that person to add to the believability of the hoax... "I heard her trying to talk to someone... then a scream!"
I don't believe Carlee is some criminal mastermind. If this is a hoax, I'd expect many screwups. Consider the Idaho killer... he, apparently, put a lot of time and effort into planning his crime and still forgot things like... his car pinging off nearby wi-fi... he left the sheath behind in a rush... etc..
People don't always do logical things. People kill other people over $20. They do silly things that can have lifelong consequences... things that leave most of us scratching our heads.
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No official reports of tracking dogs being used either but LE doesn’t always reveal full and complete information of what was involved in a search. Maybe I read something about drones, or it might’ve been just my imagination.
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Alien abduction or dark energy from a demon spirit.
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I'll share a little bit of my experience that feels relevant to this case.
It happened almost 6 years ago, and I'm just glad I was in the right place at the right time, and not someone else. I was driving home in the rain from a doctor's appointment at about 11 in the morning on a weekday, and when I got on the freeway, something immediately caught my attention. It was like my brain instantly processed several red flags -- first, that there was something moving in the grass, then:
A. It was a small child
B. He was soaking wet and shirtless
C. He was carrying a beer bottle
I immediately pulled over and rolled down my window. I did not stop to call 911, there wasn't time. He was walking down the side of the freeway, and I didn't want someone else to stop who may not have good intentions or for him to get hit by a car or anything. When I saw something very similar to what Carlee reported to have seen, my instinctive reaction was to stop right away, not to make any phone calls. I've tried to think about what I would have done if it was dark, or late at night, and I'm not sure. In the moment, I acted on instinct.
He was very scared, the rain was starting to come down harder, but I managed to signal to him to come over to the car. I told him something like, "You should never get in a car with a stranger, but honey, you need to come get in my car right now."
When he was in the car I tried to get information from him about what was going on and how the heck he ended up on the side of the freeway. I found the "red flags" I mentioned extremely concerning and I wanted to get a sense of what the situation was, i.e. was he in any immediate danger, was he running away from someone who had hurt him, etc. If there was an abuse situation I didn't want to just throw him back into it without understanding. I mentioned calling the police and he was extremely distressed by that and tried to open the door to get out of the car. He eventually agreed to stay in the car if I promised not to call the police.
I told him well, we can't just stay here on the side of the freeway so I drove him to Starbucks down the road and we went through the drive thru and I got him something to eat and drink (he had been "using the empty beer bottle he found on the side of the road to catch rain water" and was very proud of himself, lol) and helped him put on a dry shirt I found in my car while I talked to him and tried to get information from him. (Every time I tried to grab my phone he would get extremely upset and try to leave, so I didn't call anyone but I quickly googled and could not find anything local about a missing child or an amber alert which was baffling to me. He had run away from school but had not been reported missing. Several hours had gone by and the school didn't even notice he was gone. He was 7 years old.)
Most of the rest of the info isn't relevant to Carlee's case so I'll leave it out to keep this on topic.
The things that I think are potentially relevant here — he had not been reported missing. I eventually convinced him to let me drive him to the police station and promised I would stay with him and keep him safe. I drove to the nearest location that Google Maps said was a police station, and the door was locked. I knocked, and an officer came out and I tried to briefly explain what was going on. In the most BAFFLING part of this whole thing, the officer said it wasn't actually a police station but something like an annex, and I should go a few miles away to another police station, and then he just let me take this boy and drive off with him and didn't want to know any information, not even the boy's name!
I took him to the other police station and eventually was able to explain to several officers what was going on and convince them to take me seriously without spooking the boy. I guess what had happened was that the school systems are under the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's office, not the police, and the Sheriff's office didn't think to inform the police when they eventually learned there was a missing child. No one had called to report seeing him on the busy freeway, seeing me pick him up, or seeing him walking alone the 2 miles from school. He said he had hid in the trees and behind trash cans so people couldn't see him.
I stayed there with him for several hours and helped him speak to detectives until his father arrived to claim him, which is a long story. I put a note in his backpack for his mom (who lived in another city, which is where he was trying to walk to via the freeway) with my contact information, and later got a long and very grateful phone call from her. We stayed in touch for a while and I sent Christmas gifts, etc. I'm just so glad I was in the right place at the right time.
The most important takeaway I want to give to anyone reading this -- please please please make sure your child knows basic information about you that they can communicate to rescuers if they are lost. Make sure your child knows your full name even if they're too young to remember your phone number or address. Especially if you have a different last name than your child. This situation could have been resolved much less painfully if the boy had been able to tell me any of that information, all he knew was his mother's first name. Because of this experience, I've drilled it into my 4-year-old and she can now recite my and my husband's full names, and our address, enough for anyone with a smart phone to google and get in contact with us.
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Can you imagine the gigantic amount of expert advice and and personal opinion being poured on the parents- family, friends, former and current co-worker, neighbors, acquaintances and even strangers but the Church Ladies and the Deacons are likely the most intrusive while claiming not to be in anyone else’s business but- they likely had no choice. Hoover Police Chief needs to step up and clear this mess up- I half expect visit from the Gabby protesters seen at the Laundry’s Florida property.
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One of the TV station's web site showed dogs being used. It was daylight, so probably Friday.
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