Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #5

[Yvettea]

At 2:38
US Marshal Chad Hunt says that they ( VW and CW ) collectively purchased all 3 vehicles involved!

This video report goes into some detail about their funds and the acquisition of vehicles.

 

[thesaint]

I think the truck had Tennessee plates, but did anyone notice the plate on the Cadillac?

So she would have paid cash for each and used an alias?

I have to think the truck and Cadillac must have been in the tens of thousands $$$. Did she just pull that out of her purse?

How far in advance were they bought?

And yet, they were staying in hotels in cities.

Cadillac looks like 2007-2011 range STS, even high end blue book for a 2011 Cadillac STS would be 10K or under, earlier model years even less. They said the truck cost $6,000, purchased from a private owner. The orange SUV would've been in the same price range as the truck. All under the 10K limit for cash transactions. Possibly all bought from private owners. I would guess she paid $20K total for all 3, from 3 different sellers, 3 different under $10K transactions.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I do agree w/your comment except for the 'their funds' part.
Man, I miss that edit button!

There is still an edit option. It is to the right of Report. Touch the little arrow and it will appear. I hope that helps.

 

[5W's]

In most pension systems—and I would not be surprised if Alabama is an outlier—any pension benefits are not earned until 12:01 a.m on the day following the last day of employment. (And don’t you know, there have been cases of folks expiring at 11ish during/after their retirement party). As I understand it, April 29, the date of the jail break, was her last day of employment (and the last day VW would have keys to the castle) before retirement and qualifying for pension benefits. Her actions that afternoon, however, would likely result in termination, disqualifying VW from any pension benefits, entitled only to previous payroll deduction contributions made to the fund, plus interest.

I see the reasoning 100% for the pension to not be paid even to the beneficiary, but VW's mother, I really feel sorry for her. I hope her mother is able to claim at least a little bit if she is a beneficiary. Shame/abandonment/suicide of child/who knows what else she's endured in her life and this just tops it. Thanks Vicky!!!

 

[Arkay]

Don’t we, though? Aren’t we all products of our backgrounds and experiences?
Vicki was by most accounts pretty bright, pretty committed until recently. Had she been born into your circumstances or mine, we’d be having a very different conversation, no? This is not at all an excuse for her extremely poor decisions, for which she paid, ultimately. But I personally have never met with an incarcerated person. I’ve never been to a jail! (Noting my stepbrother is a jail guard, in full disclosure). I’ve never dated a man who wasn’t dead set on improving my life! Without excusing what she did … borrowing a loaded term, it was deplorable … she was so vulnerable. Had nothing left to live for except one thread with her mother. I can see why this happened. No stones from me.

I genuinely do not agree that we can make these assumptions.

We all have heard of wealthy, educated, oftentimes famous and celebrated people who had an interior life of which we were unaware. An interior life which led them to make choices that caused their ruin.

Let's say Martha Stewart in jail for insider trading. Gov. Cuomo having to resign in disgrace after being the most celebrated governor in America during Covid. Ostensibly happily married men, with adoring wives and children, caught with prostitutes or sending pornographic selfies to minors. Prince Andrew. An endless stream of politicians secretly not practicing what they preach in regards to marital fidelity. Scions of wealthy families who spiral off into drug addiction. Etcetera, ad infinitum.

I also don't think we know Vicky so well that we can presume she had nothing left to live for beyond her aging mother. We actually didn't know her at all.

She had every opportunity just now to begin a retired life, with leisure time and, at age 56, certainly young enough to enjoy an entirely new chapter.

She was born into better circumstances than many. At least a loving mom, and she eventually acquired a home, a job, and was married for awhile. That's more than many experience. She didn't live in a Third World country. She wasn't born with an incapacitating disability.

My circumstances and yours may well be better. I'm certainly more prosperous than she was. I received my Bachelor's at age 20, married at 21, a mother at age 24, earned my Master's, had a professional career for 25 years. Became a grandmother at age 47. Those may be my criteria for the life I wanted. It's not the only criterion for joy and satisfaction, though.

I believe we both know this and so cannot feel superior to Vicky. Her downfall was springing Casey from jail. Her peers did not do that.


Imo

 

[thesaint]

I see the reasoning 100% for the pension to not be paid even to the beneficiary, but VW's mother, I really feel sorry for her. I hope her mother is able to claim at least a little bit if she is a beneficiary. Shame/abandonment/suicide of child/who knows what else she's endured in her life and this just tops it. Thanks Vicky!!!

It's probably gonna take years to sort out her pension situation, unless the State or police pension fund capitulates and just pays it out to someone (if there's a qualified individual to pay out to even). maybe if there's a vested lump sum due to VW they would simply pay out to her estate and then it would get distributed via probate, or if she had a will to whomever she designated in her will.

The more immediate payment to her survivors would be any life insurance still in effect as of today. No doubt she had some sort of partially or fully employer paid life insurance policy--don't think you're going to be employed in a job with some level of personal danger and not have such a policy. She also might have had a life insurance policy through the police union, that would likely still be in effect beyond her term of employment, provided she paid the premiums. And then any personal, private life insurance she might have taken out on her own independent of her job or union.

It will be interesting to see who is the current beneficiary of any or all of those policies.

 

[5W's]

Cadillac looks like 2007-2011 range STS, even high end blue book for a 2011 Cadillac STS would be 10K or under, earlier model years even less. They said the truck cost $6,000, purchased from a private owner. The orange SUV would've been in the same price range as the truck. All under the 10K limit for cash transactions. Possibly all bought from private owners. I would guess she paid $20K total for all 3.

The truck was reported stolen in Tennesee it wasn't paid for. I don't know about the Caillac. I'm trying to find out about it. I was correct that I thought that they would steal vehicles. While on the lam I wonder how many they stole maybe it was just the truck and Vicky would gas up at the pumps. I was also under the assumption that LE would be on VW/CW's toes not far behind them and looks like that's what happened here. Its pretty cocky to be across from the police station holed up in a hotel and then abandon the stolen truck at a carwash in broad daylight. Because its a rural areal the owner of the carwash didn't think anything of the abandoned truck for a couple of hours if not a day. Because the truck wasn't reported stolen from Indiana but Tennesee LE were challenged with that until they realized the significance so that gave VW/CW time. In a way its good because they weren't alerted and stayed put. Better for the gneral public. Good they had money otherwise I'm sure this capture would have ended with many casualties and not just VW. But for me the question is what would happen when they ran out of money? It would have been deadly and the public would be in danger. At some point I think would have made a run for a third world country where he can hide and who knows what would've happened to VW. I suspect she'd be dead regardless and it would be CW who get rid of her. Its good it ended as it did before the public was fully endangered.

 

[1HogFan]

If they don't give this man the reward money I'm going to be mad! Goodness what a mess.

 

[5W's]

It's probably gonna take years to sort out her pension situation, unless the State or police pension fund capitulates and just pays it out to someone (if there's a qualified individual to pay out to even). maybe if there's a vested lump sum due to VW they would simply pay out to her estate and then it would get distributed via probate, or if she had a will to whomever she designated in her will.

The more immediate payment to her survivors would be any life insurance still in effect as of today. No doubt she had some sort of partially or fully employer paid life insurance policy--don't think you're going to be employed in a job with some level of personal danger and not have such a policy. She also might have had a life insurance policy through the police union, that would likely still be in effect beyond her term of employment, provided she paid the premiums. And then any personal, private life insurance she might have taken out on her own independent of her job or union.

It will be interesting to see who is the current beneficiary of any or all of those policies.

Hopefully her poor mother.

 

[thesaint]

The truck was reported stolen in Tennesee it wasn't paid for. I don't know about the Caillac.

None of the 3 vehicles were stolen, all bought and paid for by VW/CW:

 

[WingsOverTX]

I wanted to correct my earlier post that their Cadillac was spotted by a sheriff's deputy. It was actually a sharp-eyed police officer.

The chase of the two began after an Evansville police officer thought he recognized a car, a gray Cadillac "associated with this criminal incident," Vanderburgh County Sheriff Dave Wedding said.

Casey and Vicky White found: What we know about detainees and end of national manhunt

After a 10 day-nationwide manhunt of Casey and Vicky White both were arrested in Evansville, Indiana. Officials said a short pursuit was involved.

www.courierpress.com

 

[1HogFan]

I'm sitting here wondering if CW might profit from a book, series, or movie about this whole thing. Anyone know anything about how that works? I know some criminals have profited from books, TV, and such in the past. I never expected him to be still alive so this is the first time I've thought about this possibility.

 

[thesaint]

Hopefully her poor mother.

one saving grace if somehow she did have life insurance designated to be paid out to Casey is with his pending court cases he would no longer be considered indigent and could be required to retain his own lawyers out of those proceeds.

Tho I suppose Casey could decide he didn't want to spend the cash on lawyers and just take whatever terrible plea deal the prosecutor might offer. But I don't think you can plead to a capital case and get the death penalty? I dunno how that would work if he tried to plead out to the pending death penalty charge.

 

[5W's]

Cadillac looks like 2007-2011 range STS, even high end blue book for a 2011 Cadillac STS would be 10K or under, earlier model years even less. They said the truck cost $6,000, purchased from a private owner. The orange SUV would've been in the same price range as the truck. All under the 10K limit for cash transactions. Possibly all bought from private owners. I would guess she paid $20K total for all 3, from 3 different sellers, 3 different under $10K transactions.

I just saw the CNN video with Anderson Cooper. Ok so all three vehicles were purchased. I guess the information about the truck being stolen was old information and incorrect. But that doesn't take away from the fact that eventually they were going to run out of cash. Basically CW was decent with VW only because she had cash. At some point she would've been taken hostage and he would've forced her to go across the border probably and then she would be dead. Oh, and he knew she wouldn't squander the cash so he was decent with her.

 

[thesaint]

I'm sitting here wondering if CW might profit from a book, series, or movie about this whole thing. Anyone know anything about how that works? I know some criminals have profited from books, TV, and such in the past. I never expected him to be still alive so this is the first time I've thought about this possibility.

Alabama has a "Son of Sam" law:

Every person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity contracting with any person or the representative or assignee of any person, indicted or convicted of a felony in this state, with respect to the reenactment of such crime, by way of a movie, book, magazine article, radio or television presentation, live entertainment of any kind, or from the expression of such person’s thoughts, feelings, opinions or emotions regarding such crime, shall pay over to the Board of Adjustment any moneys which would otherwise, by terms of such contract, be owing to the person so convicted or his representatives. Any person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity who fails to pay said moneys to the Board of Adjustment shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 10 years and by a fine equal to the net proceeds earned as a result of the reenactment of the crime. The Board of Adjustment shall deposit such moneys in an escrow account for the benefit of and payable to any victim of crimes committed by such person, provided that such person is eventually convicted of the crime and provided further that such victim, within five years of the date of the crime, brings a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction and recovers a money judgment against such person or his representatives.

Sounds like as long as they convict him of a felony connected to the escape they can block him from profiting personally from selling his escape story.

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[margarita25]

In case not already posted:

 

[bum4evr]

I think she loved him. Perhaps she understood that the bad things he did were the result of one bad day when he was high. he must have shown some decent qualities that impressed her. I hope he loved her too and she was not just a target of his as a way to get out or jail.

 

[514Caledonia]

Where / When did Casey White call Vicky White his wife? I must have missed that post.

I wonder if they had a pact to both suicide if they got caught. Plus, I wonder what were they doing in Indiana? Where were they going? You can't get into Canada with guns, so I can't imagine they were going there. I'm also thinking that even though they had a relationship for a couple of years, Vicky being with Casey in person might not have been like she thought it would be. It is extremely difficult to really get to know a person that you have never spent time alone with.

 

[1HogFan]

Alabama has a "Son of Sam" law:



Sounds like as long as they convict him of a felony connected to the escape they can block him from profiting personally from selling his escape story.

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Interesting!! Thank you!

 

[bum4evr]

I hate that sheriff and his videos, he seems like he doesn't really care at all.