AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #2

[Alethea]

The whole story about DNV "flashing her lights" and pulling off into the Shell Station comes from the last person who saw her. We do not know if that's actually true. We only know via surveillance camera that her car pulled into the Shell Station. They could have arranged to meet someone at the Shell Station.

Why would you pull into a closed, unlit gas station at 11pm? Did they arrange to meet someone to buy drugs?

 

[Alethea]

Welcome @otto I have been hoping you would come to this case. It is bizarre and the media is being very tight lipped. No one seems to be taking it as seriously as they should.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Welcome @otto I have been hoping you would come to this case. It is bizarre and the media is being very tight lipped. No one seems to be taking it as seriously as they should.

But the two interviews the senior detectives gave when they were searching the Dykes property last week indicated that they were taking leads seriously and working the case hard. The idea that they sent as many people and resources to the Dykes property was encouraging. It will be interesting to see if there is some kind of plea deal for information with the individual that is presently in jail. But sadly those charges might be too severe for a plea deal IDK.

I am sure that if anyone can cut through the 'he said, she said' that has sadly characterized this case that the two serious minded detectives that spoke from the Dykes property the other day can do it. They are probably just working hard on the cell phone records of all involved. That is time consuming work but as we have seen in other cases it can be done and the truth is eventually discovered.

My question about the timeline that hasn't been verified or discussed by LE is that sleuthing it can be endlessly timeconsuming and it seems to be based on people that have a vested interest in protecting themselves who themselves might be suspects (we have no named suspects BTW from LE). I would hate for people to spend endless time trying to map and come up with scenarios for something that is simply an alleged statement from someone that was part of the party train group. The party train people have never spoken to the press to put their statements out there as to what happened. LE hasn't confirmed any of the statements from the party train to the public either.

I truly don't know how to productively use the time and brainpower of this wonderful group to attack a situation where all we really know is that someone left Dublins Pub without their phone and ended up with 2 other cars at the Shell Station that was closed and appeared to be going in the wrong direction to return to Ollies.

 

[otto]

@otto you are the best! Great question. Someone up thread had asked for the verified insider to provide the JDT timeline to the group. So far we haven't seen this.

The issue is that there was surveillance tape up on the internet but the MPD ordered the station to remove the footage and the station complied. As we don't have the footage the course of events that evening is subject to 'a bit of speculation' is the only way I can explain it within TOS. So, proceed to work your 'magic' with next to no information. If anyone can sort through this convoluted web of speculation you are the person IMO! Good luck!

We also don't know the reason for heading in the direction of the Shell station from Dublins. Choosing the Shell station was also a mystery as it was closed at the time and relatively dark (not a 24/7 station). There were other gas stations nearby that were open and the Waffle House is close by and well lit. If the story about looking for a missing phone is correct we have all been wondering why pull into a closed station with next to no lights? There are screen shots stills of a couple of angles of the cars at the Shell Station that can be easily found online but the visibility is horrific.

There was speculation that the party train was heading to Ollies after the Shell station but this is unclear too even though some of the people that were at Dublins had headed over to Ollies and didn't follow to the Shell station. There was also early confusion about the car GPS being disabled and where the last ping of the GPS took place. Some believe the Shell station was the last ping while others say the last ping was downtown on Dauphin Street in a parking deck. The situation is that LE statements say that the last ping was at the Shell station and the MSM reporter that had viewed the entire CCTV stated that DNV left the station driving her own car. LE hasn't commented to confirm that what this single reporter has said is true. So, many many unknowns here.

To complicate matters further not one of the people on the party train that evening have spoken to the media to explain what happened that evening. The party train group that we have been calling 'the fairweather friends' might have been interviewed extensively by LE but LE has never spoken about any of the interviews in the case to date. The party train group also is a good bit older than DNV and were themselves good friends but not necessarily good friends with DNV with one exception. So, the reason DNV was with this group is something that this thread has talked about alot but never resolved as no LE confirmation exists as to what exactly was going on that night at the Shell station.

There has been debate about the number of people and number of cars that night too at the Shell station. Many have wondered if they were heading to a house close by the Shell station or if the party train were heading back to the Dublin or maybe heading downtown to Dauphin Street. LE has shared none of these details with the public.

Thanks for the summary! Still trying to make sense of what we know. It's even more curious then that there were three cars at the Shell station that night even though it was closed. The fact that three cars pulled in at the same time kind of suggests that a third car was following the first two.

We have car 1, 2 and 3. Danniella is following DW. They drive into the Shell station after Danniella, following DW, flashes her lights at him to pull over.

Car 1
DW
11:05 arrive
11:07 depart

Car 2
Danniella car
11:05 arrive
11:24 depart

Car 3
Unknown
11:08 arrive
11:24 depart

• LoJack disabled at Shell station, exact time unknown, also unknown whether antenna is on exterior of car
• Cell phone missing, unknown whether cell phone has app that allows tracking of car LoJack system
• DW says that Danniella was following him and at some point he lost her, but how could she be following him if she didn't leave the Shell station until 11:24?

Is this accurate?

 

[Deleted member 227095]

But the two interviews the senior detectives gave when they were searching the Dykes property last week indicated that they were taking leads seriously and working the case hard. The idea that they sent as many people and resources to the Dykes property was encouraging. It will be interesting to see if there is some kind of plea deal for information with the individual that is presently in jail. But sadly those charges might be too severe for a plea deal IDK.

I am sure that if anyone can cut through the 'he said, she said' that has sadly characterized this case that the two serious minded detectives that spoke from the Dykes property the other day can do it. They are probably just working hard on the cell phone records of all involved. That is time consuming work but as we have seen in other cases it can be done and the truth is eventually discovered.

My question about the timeline that hasn't been verified or discussed by LE is that sleuthing it can be endlessly timeconsuming and it seems to be based on people that have a vested interest in protecting themselves who themselves might be suspects (we have no named suspects BTW from LE). I would hate for people to spend endless time trying to map and come up with scenarios for something that is simply an alleged statement from someone that was part of the party train group. The party train people have never spoken to the press to put their statements out there as to what happened. LE hasn't confirmed any of the statements from the party train to the public either.

I truly don't know how to productively use the time and brainpower of this wonderful group to attack a situation where all we really know is that someone left Dublins Pub without their phone and ended up with 2 other cars at the Shell Station that was closed and appeared to be going in the wrong direction to return to Ollies.

I forgot to mention that in one of the interviews from the Dykes property that JDT stated that her brother had surveillance equipment at the property gate. I very much hope that these tapes were intact and are now in the possession of MPD.

 

[cedgison]

My apologies! I'm not trying to hide the timeline but when I joined back in after the verification process, I did not go back to previous posts. So, without further adieu:

On Tuesday, July 17th, Danniella went off to meet RC at Dublin’s to celebrate her purchase of her new Car. Danniella met up RC, who also Had two friends MK & DW with him. They stay there for a few drinks, and then decide to head to Ollie’s. RC & MK head out first. Danni and DW were traveling down the interstate 65S, in two separate cars, DW leading. Danni flashes her lights and DW, and he pulls over at the Shell Station on Government Blvd/Hwy 90. Danni makes DW aware that she has lost her cell phone. The video shows what appears to be two cars pulling into the parking lot at 11:05 pm. Two minutes later, one car appears to leave. The other car stays parked. At 11:08 another car pulls in, and both cars are parked. Until 11:24 when they both leave. No indication of which way each car left. With the darkness of the video, you could not tell if anyone left either Car, or how many passengers were in each car. DW and Danni we’re headed back to Dublin’s, to search for Dannis phone. Danni never makes it to Dublin’s, according to DW. JT was told DW showed up at Ollie’s around 12:00 and stayed for a few minutes, and Danni never showed. DW also had a rental car, which he had after coming back into town from work. He returned the rental car around 1:00 am and then headed home.

Wednesday July 18th 7:30 a.m. Dannie’s MIL gets a phone call, it was DW saying that he has “this girl's” phone and he happened to see some pictures of a baby on it and thought that she may really need to have that phone. Leading to believe he didn’t know who she was. Like she was a Stranger to Him. JT (MIL) told DW to just take it to where she works PFChangs and drop it off there they will make sure she gets it.
At 9:00 am, JT called the apartment complex where Danni lived and asked them to put a note on her door for her to call her.

Before 12:00, Wednesday DW calls JT again stating her son (TT) had called Dannis phone, expecting to speak to Danni. That’s when DW had let TT (JTs son/Dannie’s babies father) know what had happened. DW was calling concerned about Danni. ***After he was asked to turn the phone in to her job that morning. He then offered to meet up with JT to return the phone to her, but JT decided to wait to hear from Danni first.
Jt went to the apartment complex around 4:00 pm And the note was still on the door. JT assumed Danni was hanging out with friends, and didn’t expect to see her until Thursday, July 19th, when her daughter returned from out of town. She had made plans to stay the night with JT and her daughter Thursday night, at JTs home, and never showed. At this point JT knew something was wrong. Danni never missed these opportunities. Ecspecially with her daughter.

At 7:30 am, Friday July 20th, JT receives a phone call from DW, as she’s walking out the door to file a missing persons report. Expresses his concerns, and agrees a report is necessary, and then meets JT at the police station. While waiting in the lobby, waiting to file the report, DW explains what had happened that night to JT. JT asked DW, “why were you on Hwy 90, when Ollie’s is right down the street from Dublin’s?” DWs response was, “I was actually headed home, and Danni must have gotten confused thinking I was headed to Ollie’s and followed me” Danni knows exactly where Ollie’s is, as she has worked there before.
The police station is on Airport Blvd, but JT and DW were sent to the Harold Johnson building on Government st. This is where the missing persons liaison is located.
DW had handed over Dannis phone to JT at the first police station.

DW got to the Harold Johnson building, before JT. As JT arrived, DW was giving his report to the Liaison. After DW was done, DW left, and JT then gave her report and handed over Dannis phone.

At 11:20 am, JT was contacted by one of Dannis friends, that stated Danni didn’t show for her shift at 11:00 am. While still sitting in the liaison office.

A part of DWs statement was that he returned to Dublin’s and was searching the Parking lot for Dannis phone, and a employee walked out and asked if he was looking for a phone Bc she had found one on the back of a car and turned it into the bar. He retrieved her phone from the bar and waited outside 20 mins, when she didn’t show up. He left. This was on the night of her disappearance.

Since then there has been NO contact with DW. Nor any of the others Danni was seen with that night by JT. None have reached out.

Per LE, the last ping from Danniella’s GPS on her car was at the shell gas station.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Thanks for the summary! Still trying to make sense of what we know. It's even more curious then that there were three cars at the Shell station that night even though it was closed. The fact that three cars pulled in at the same time kind of suggests that a third car was following the first two.

We have car 1, 2 and 3. Danniella is following DW. They drive into the Shell station after Danniella, following DW, flashes her lights at him to pull over.

Car 1
DW
11:05 arrive
11:07 depart

Car 2
Danniella car
11:05 arrive
11:24 depart

Car 3
Unknown
11:08 arrive
11:24 depart

• LoJack disabled at Shell station, exact time unknown, also unknown whether antenna is on exterior of car
• Cell phone missing, unknown whether cell phone has app that allows tracking of car LoJack system
• DW says that Danniella was following him and at some point he lost her, but how could she be following him if she didn't leave the Shell station until 11:24?

Is this accurate?

That is what we have thought so far.

 

[cedgison]

Did Danniella have any favorite parks or river walks that she like to take with her daughter?

She liked to take her daughter to Medal of Honor Park.

 

[otto]

Welcome @otto I have been hoping you would come to this case. It is bizarre and the media is being very tight lipped. No one seems to be taking it as seriously as they should.

It is bizarre! If DW returned to the Dublin on the night of July 17 to retrieve the phone, it makes sense that he and Danniella discussed the missing phone and that he thought they were both returning to collect the phone. That part of the story seems to make sense. What doesn't make sense is what they were doing at the Shell station if they intended to go to Ollie's Grill.

DW should have more information about why they were there.
Correction - DW was going to return the rental car, or going home, and Danniella mistakenly thought that he was going to Ollie's so she followed him. Even though she knew where it was, it's possible she misunderstood and followed him anyway.

 

[Nerissa]

Wellllllll....not much @ DW's story is adding up is it?

DW was supposedly headed home.....DNV knew exactly where Ollie's was, so - why was she following him? Why, when she flashed her headlights did DW then respond & follow her to a shell station?

Why did she need to tell DW @ her missing phone? Why did DW feel obliged (if indeed DW was just headed home) to go back with her to look for it?

DW says DNV's headlights turned off in wrong direction after shell station when supposedly returning to Dublin's to look for phone- however we know that DW left 17 minutes earlier than DNV - DW would not have seen her headlights (possibly DW may have mistaken another car for hers?)......

Then DW does go to Ollie's after looking in parking lot for phone (I find that odd but guess that's where it was) - presumably because DW has possession now of her phone (I'm assuming all the Dublin's stories about the phone & etc have been corroborated) - she never shows....but now, instead of going home (which is what DW was doing earlier supposedly) DW decides to return the rental car at one in the morning (how did DW get home?)

I'm not even going to go into the rest of it - DW with her phone & all that the following days......
It sure seems to me that DW & DNV were going somewhere together....and it wasn't Ollie's.....

DW was there only two minutes with DNV before DW left....however....there were 17 minutes more wherein her car, at least, was there with some unknown person/car....

Maybe DW genuinely has no idea what happened...but - it doesn't add up that DNV was following DW home unless they'd arranged something....which is why DW paid attention to her when she flashed headlights, why she would even flash her headlights to alert DW, why DW felt obliged to go back and help with phone.....

I can only hope LE has thoroughly vetted DW....there's tons of inconsistencies though...I'd like to know that they attempted to get that rental car & have it impounded/examined.....

Also it's possible that something happened back in lot at Dublins...why was her phone in the parking lot?? what was going on - apparently it was found on a car hood/trunk??

Eh...so many questions.....

Anways....JMO

 

[Nerissa]

Eh, so if we're sleuthing - I'm going to hazard that something happened in lot at Dublin's..possible DNV may have been incapacitated at that point..just because her car is seen at a Shell station doesn't mean she was driving it......

 

[Deleted member 227095]

It is bizarre! If DW returned to the Dublin on the night of July 17 to retrieve the phone, it makes sense that he and Danniella discussed the missing phone and that he thought they were both returning to collect the phone. That part of the story seems to make sense. What doesn't make sense is what they were doing at the Shell station if they intended to go to Ollie's Grill.

DW should have more information about why they were there.

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What if they were heading back to DW's house which was close to the Shell station and hadn't ever intended to go to Ollies with the others that had gone from Dublins to Ollies? Maybe they both quickly pulled into the Shell station to see if the phone was in DV car? When they didn't find the phone then DW leaves and says that he will go to Dublins to get the phone and meet her/them all back at his house. The story about flashing lights and following DW to Dublins could have simply been a fabrication IMO. DNW might have been partying hard and so driving might have been difficult for her at that hour. We don't know this though. What is odd though it that the 3rd car pulls up and stays at the Shell as does DNV. We don't know the people in the 3rd car. But as a theory what if they were there to join DNV and DW back at DW's house to party? I could see DNV following DW back to Dublins to look for the phone if she hadn't been partying that night. His part of the story that he waited at Dublins for 20 min and then went home is also something that is hard to understand either. He didn't back track to look for her at any point? He just went home? And he hasn't been heard from since? The only thing that seems near the Shell Station was DW house and I wonder if that is where they all were headed and maybe something happened that is as yet unknown? Surprisingly the JDT question about Dublins proximity to Ollies is correct and that is why I'm not convinced the people on the party train had any intention of ever joining people at Ollies. Curious what others think about this strange part of the evening.

 

[otto]

DW seems to be the one person who has done everything possible to alert Danniella's family that something is amiss. He pulled over when she [might have] flashed her lights, he returned to The Dublin and did find her phone, he went to Ollies to look for her, he tried to return the phone to someone in her family the following day, and he followed up with her mom to file a missing person report.

I guess the big question is who pulled into the Shell station at 11:08 and why. At that time, she was a single woman alone at a closed gas station. If that person in Car 3 was a stranger, I think it's anyone's guess where she is and what happened to her. However, in order for her and her car to disappear such that she was unable to return to the Dublin, is it true that there must have been two people in Car 3 - one to drive her car, and one to drive Car 3?

 

[otto]

Wellllllll....not much @ DW's story is adding up is it?

DW was supposedly headed home.....DNV knew exactly where Ollie's was, so - why was she following him? Why, when she flashed her headlights did DW then respond & follow her to a shell station?

Why did she need to tell DW @ her missing phone? Why did DW feel obliged (if indeed DW was just headed home) to go back with her to look for it?

DW says DNV's headlights turned off in wrong direction after shell station when supposedly returning to Dublin's to look for phone- however we know that DW left 17 minutes earlier than DNV - DW would not have seen her headlights (possibly DW may have mistaken another car for hers?)......

Then DW does go to Ollie's after looking in parking lot for phone (I find that odd but guess that's where it was) - presumably because DW has possession now of her phone (I'm assuming all the Dublin's stories about the phone & etc have been corroborated) - she never shows....but now, instead of going home (which is what DW was doing earlier supposedly) DW decides to return the rental car at one in the morning (how did DW get home?)

I'm not even going to go into the rest of it - DW with her phone & all that the following days......
It sure seems to me that DW & DNV were going somewhere together....and it wasn't Ollie's.....

DW was there only two minutes with DNV before DW left....however....there were 17 minutes more wherein her car, at least, was there with some unknown person/car....

Maybe DW genuinely has no idea what happened...but - it doesn't add up that DNV was following DW home unless they'd arranged something....which is why DW paid attention to her when she flashed headlights, why she would even flash her headlights to alert DW, why DW felt obliged to go back and help with phone.....

I can only hope LE has thoroughly vetted DW....there's tons of inconsistencies though...I'd like to know that they attempted to get that rental car & have it impounded/examined.....

Also it's possible that something happened back in lot at Dublins...why was her phone in the parking lot?? what was going on - apparently it was found on a car hood/trunk??

Eh...so many questions.....

Anways....JMO

It would make more sense if they were driving together so he could drop off the rental car and then she would give him a ride back to Ollies. On the way, she realized that she left her phone at The Dublin, so they were returning to the Dublin together to pick it up.

It doesn't make sense that he was going home, she followed him thinking they were going to Ollies, she flashed her lights behind him and he knew that she was following him, they pulled into the Shell station, they left the Shell station at the same time, he arrived at the Dublin but she didn't, he retrieved her phone, he went to Ollies, and then he returned the rental car.

 

[otto]

Eh, so if we're sleuthing - I'm going to hazard that something happened in lot at Dublin's..possible DNV may have been incapacitated at that point..just because her car is seen at a Shell station doesn't mean she was driving it......

That would mean that she was abducted in the parking lot at the Dublin, her phone was lost in the scuffle, DW and Danniella's car and Car 3 end up at the Shell station because someone realized her phone is missing.

DW returns to The Dublin to collect the phone, Danniella's car and Car 3 leave the Shell station. If that's the case, DW knows much more about what happened to Danniella.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

DW seems to be the one person who has done everything possible to alert Danniella's family that something is amiss. He pulled over when she [might have] flashed her lights, he returned to The Dublin and did find her phone, he went to Ollies to look for her, he tried to return the phone to someone in her family the following day, and he followed up with her mom to file a missing person report.

I guess the big question is who pulled into the Shell station at 11:08 and why. At that time, she was a single woman alone at a closed gas station. If that person in Car 3 was a stranger, I think it's anyone's guess where she is and what happened to her. However, in order for her and her car to disappear such that she was unable to return to the Dublin, is it true that there must have been two people in Car 3 - one to drive her car, and one to drive Car 3?

Yes but didn't car 3 and DNV car stay at the Shell station for a period of time? I guess they could stay and not interact with each other but if I were by myself at a dark station late at night and another car pulled in my reaction would be the press the gas hard and flee. I don't think I would stay there if I didn't know who these people were. Your idea that these Car 3 people might have done something to immobilize the car or DNV is interesting but then I go back to the reporter that said that DNV left the station driving her car. I wonder if this is incorrect information as it might have been possible to overpower DNV, disable the GPS, put DNV in trunk or passenger seat and simply drive her car away and then the remaining driver of car 3 would follow? I'm simply not sure.

I am also not sure DW is any hero here as his story in parts makes little sense as at a minimum it provides no reason for them being at the Shell station to begin with.

 

[cedgison]

I agree that there are a lot of inconsistencies in DW’s story and that he, IMO, holds a lot of valuable information/knowledge about the events of that night.

DW’s rental car has been investigated but I don’t know to which extent. What I mean by that is I don’t know if the GPS was checked, if it was just checked for DNA that could link DNV to the car, etc.

 

[hotsytotsy]

Trying to understand some of the timing and distance between locations, after reading through all the (helpful!) posts. All MOO.

Dublin to Shell station (~11pm, distance?)
Shell station back to Dublin (~11:24pm, distance?)
Waiting at Dublin (DW 20 mins?)
Dublin to Ollie’s (distance? DW time spent there?)
Rental car return (~1am DW)

Stuck on this being reasonable or not, for some reason.

 

[otto]

Yes but didn't car 3 and DNV car stay at the Shell station for a period of time? I guess they could stay and not interact with each other but if I were by myself at a dark station late at night and another car pulled in my reaction would be the press the gas hard and flee. I don't think I would stay there if I didn't know who these people were. Your idea that these Car 3 people might have done something to immobilize the car or DNV is interesting but then I go back to the reporter that said that DNV left the station driving her car. I wonder if this is incorrect information as it might have been possible to overpower DNV, disable the GPS, put DNV in trunk or passenger seat and simply drive her car away and then the remaining driver of car 3 would follow? I'm simply not sure.

I am also not sure DW is any hero here as his story in parts makes little sense as at a minimum it provides no reason for them being at the Shell station to begin with.

It's a bit like a shell game, each piece of information puts Danniella in a different circumstance.

I guess it starts at The Dublin. She was in the parking lot, and for some reason she put her phone on someone else's car. That's odd to begin with, but if she had a few drinks anything is possible. The person who owned the car noticed her phone and turned it in. It's also odd that the phone was noticed on a car in the dark at a bar, but thankfully a very observant person noticed the phone.

Danniella follows DW in the direction of his home, and suddenly they pull into the Shell station to discuss the missing phone. He claims he was going home, and that she was going to Ollies, yet he knew that flashing lights behind meant that she was following him.

Is there any reason why DW would not want people to know that she was following him to his house? Is there a jealous boyfriend known to DW and Danniella who shouldn't know that they might be spending time together?

Is there any history of an ex-boyfriend being a bit too territorial or controlling with Danniella, someone who might be keeping tabs on her when she's out with friends? If so, that would explain Car 3. That would also explain why she is missing, but it would still require two people in Car 3.

 

[otto]

Do we know where Danniella, her mother in law, and her daughter lived? No worries if that has not been released in the media, but if it has, I'm curious to see what that looks like on a map.