AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #1

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Actually, it was one of the first posts, on the first page that made me think of the cell.

I believe it said something about the girls stopping at BP at 1030 to use a phone, it was thought to clarify directions to the party.

What made my adled brain skip to cell phone was, by 1030, you'd think most party goers would be AT the party, which was apparently in the middle of a field. That is why I figured they would have to have a contact with a cell phone.

Also, if at 1130 they called Traci (who was fixing to be late for curfews) mom, it would make sense, to me at least, they make have also contacted or attempted to contact the individual they had called an hour prior to let them.know they wouldn't be there,esp since party was being thrown FOR one of them.

I know, at any age, if friends were throwing me a party and I wasn't able to make it, it'd be if the utmost importance to me to let them know why, because I'd feel bad.

Also, we sideTrack had the 1130 curfew, but nothing I've seen suggested JB had a curfew that early. That was my curfew as well at the sane age, and most if my peers didn't have to be home until 1230-1. With JB as the "manipulative" teen, hers may have been later,or nonexistent. Perhaps she had plans fir dropping Traci off, and continuing to search for the party? Maybe between the phone call, and drive to Traci's the girls picked up a male friend with the intention he would then lead JB TO party after dropping off Traci, and he had other plans?

If I missed it, I apologize, do we know for sure the girls called a peer or peers at1030 from the BP, and do we know for sure JB was planning home after dropping off Traci?

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Good thoughts, but about the curfew-- I think (& correct me if I am wrong) it is referenced upthread that JB was supposed to spend the night at the Hawlett home with Tracie that night and attend church with Tracie's family the next morning. So if this is true, I don't imagine JB would have stayed out later than Tracie.

JMO
 
I am still reading my way through the information here (only page three of over twenty). But the little note pad I am using is filled up so I will share my thoughts, observations, etc. Now, and if anything is off base or disproved, I'm happy to eat my helping of humble pie.

-There is discussion as to the killer's intelligence, with the concensus being that the killer was more lucky than dumb. My argument against this is that intelligence does not equal meticulousness, nor does it mean well informed or free of compulsion.

From what I've read thus far, the killer left only two substantial clues behind--the palm print and the semen. Interestingly, the semen was not found on outer clothing, nor (GRAPHIC) inside the victim(s). And, of course, there are a ton of theories, many viable, that the semen may not even belong to the killer. As for the palm print, has there been any discussion as to the usability of the print for evidence and identification?

In any case, when it comes to the semen, the use of DNA as evidence is a relatively new science--the first person to be convicted of rape was only twelve years before this. The killer could have been unaware of the effectiveness of DNA evidence, or, aware that this DNA was not available for comparison, and would only point to him if caught. As for the palm print, there are a number of reasons why the killer might have missed or overlooked it.

The fact is, outside of these two pieces, this killer was able to stop two teenage girls, get them out of their car without a struggle, kill them, put them in the trunk, and leave the scene of the crime undetected and with few to no witnesses. I've not seen yet any talk of tire tracks, footprints, articles of clothing, or any other clues that would lead investigators to the culprit. I'm not saying this guy is a genius, but it would be, I believe, a mistake to call him dumb.

-I agree that the killer must have posed at some point as a police officer. However, as DD (who, let's face it, has done a lion share of the work here. Well done! i wouldn't have any notes without you) posits, the costume may have been simple, maybe just a flashing blue light.

I am skeptical. One idea I think would be helpful here is that the killer was ready to kill, and the victims were chosen at the time of the murders. I don't think this was planned before hand. What does this mean? This means that the killer had to be prepared for a host of contingencies and potential victims.

What I mean by this is that, yes, it is possible that two teenage girls might need only a flashing blue light to pull over and surrender all power with complete trust. But it is possible that the killer didn't even know he was going to be pulling over two teenagers, and someone older and more experienced needs a certain threshold of decorum to believe that the person pulling them over at the time is actually police.

I would think that at a minimum, the killer had flashing blue lights as well as:
1) A badge. License on the dashboard, window partially opened when the other window was closed (indicating that AC was probably being used), suggests that the girls believed that this was a cop even after they were pulled over and when he came to their window.

2) A sedan or vehicle that was at least similar in shape and appearance to the kinds of vehicles used by sherriffs and police in the area. Does anyone know what the local constables drove back when this happened? I highly belive that if this killer was posing as a cop, he's going to have a car of a similar make, model and color.

This also reduces the likelihood, in my opinion, that the white truck was involved as all descriptions suggest that there is no way that vehicle gets mistaken for a real police vehicle (unless they do use lifted pickups in alabama).

-I just want to show my support for the idea that the semen is not necessarily that of the killers. I also wonder if it is important to suggest that the semen could have been deposited post mortem. Granted, that would be much more difficult for the killer, but by my estimation, he had three and a half hours unobserved; a lot can be done with that amount of time. But it is important to keep an open mind to the idea that there was a consentual sexual encounter earlier in the evening (approximately between getting off work, and last time being seen alive is more than enough time) before the killings. This would give some gravity to the "being lost on purpose theory" which is addressed in my next point.

-It is possible that the girls were lost on purpose to meet someone without being caught. This would not make getting directions mandatory, however I don't believe that the rendesvouz would also be directly involved with the killing. Whatever had happened was done by 1130... the girls were on their way home at that point, and we should assume that if there was a tryst, it had been concluded at that point. If the tryst was going to end in murder, wouldn't that have come before the phone call home that was witnessed by the mother and daughter at the Big/Little?

-If the white truck is involved with the crime, I think it almost excludes the fake police scenario. My gut is telling me the truck isn't involved... the big thing being witnesses. It's there, caught on camera, and sees that there are two seperate parties with knowledge of each other. It can't be sure how long the two parties will stay together on the road, and the driver can't be sure he wasn't noticed, seen, and remembered. Of course, I'm not discounting the truck, it just doesn't... feel right.

-What feels best to me is military, potentially base police which would have access to blue light, badge, AND a sedan that is dressed up like a police cruiser.

But, like I said, I'm only three pages in. We'll see what else you guys have done. Good work the whole lot of you.
 
Great thoughts, PROTIPZ!

I would like to mention to all of those speculating about the killer being connected to the military... this is definitely very possible.

However, I don't know of any case in which Security Forces would be able to take their cars off base, especially at night. The same goes for the guns they are issued to do their job. This person would, however, have enough knowledge about how to masquerade as an LE officer and could obtain items such as blue flashing lights and a 9mm themselves.

I think the theory of a military member being involved is possible; but I don't believe this person would have been using any military equipment related to his job.
 
Actually, it was one of the first posts, on the first page that made me think of the cell.

I believe it said something about the girls stopping at BP at 1030 to use a phone, it was thought to clarify directions to the party.

What made my adled brain skip to cell phone was, by 1030, you'd think most party goers would be AT the party, which was apparently in the middle of a field. That is why I figured they would have to have a contact with a cell phone.

Also, if at 1130 they called Traci (who was fixing to be late for curfews) mom, it would make sense, to me at least, they make have also contacted or attempted to contact the individual they had called an hour prior to let them.know they wouldn't be there,esp since party was being thrown FOR one of them.

I know, at any age, if friends were throwing me a party and I wasn't able to make it, it'd be if the utmost importance to me to let them know why, because I'd feel bad.

Also, we sideTrack had the 1130 curfew, but nothing I've seen suggested JB had a curfew that early. That was my curfew as well at the sane age, and most if my peers didn't have to be home until 1230-1. With JB as the "manipulative" teen, hers may have been later,or nonexistent. Perhaps she had plans fir dropping Traci off, and continuing to search for the party? Maybe between the phone call, and drive to Traci's the girls picked up a male friend with the intention he would then lead JB TO party after dropping off Traci, and he had other plans?

If I missed it, I apologize, do we know for sure the girls called a peer or peers at1030 from the BP, and do we know for sure JB was planning home after dropping off Traci?

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Good thoughts, but about the curfew-- I think (& correct me if I am wrong) it is referenced upthread that JB was supposed to spend the night at the Hawlett home with Tracie that night and attend church with Tracie's family the next morning. So if this is true, I don't imagine JB would have stayed out later than Tracie.

JMO

Such good observations, indicajane. It's great to have some fresh eyes looking at the case.

Yes, police records show the girls were spotted in Headland at approximately 10:30 p.m. They stopped at BP and called friends from a pay phone there. I had never considered the fact that the recipient of that call (and a possible later call from the Big/Little Store, as you theorized, which is a good point) would've most likely been outside and using a cell phone.

You do a great job here of exploring the personality dynamics between the girls. This is something we haven't really been able to delve into without input from family and friends of the girls, but your theory makes good use of what little is known.

Dixie811 is right: we recently learned that the girls had planned to return to Tracie's house by 11:30, spend the night there, and go to church in the morning. But this doesn't necessarily mean J.B. didn't try to persuade Tracie to stay out a little later.

Again, without much in the way of victimology it's difficult to say; from everything I've been able to find in MSM reports, though, these were two very good girls.

It makes sense according to the timeline of the DB murders that the DBK could be a snowbird. But, to me, it also makes him less likely to be the girls killer for the same reason.

Great point, KR. This would also likely exclude a Kemberly Ramer connection.

As for truck stops in Ozark- Yes! There was/is a truck stop at the intersection on Hwys 231 and 123S. If the girls saw that they were low on gas and pulled in there it fits with the 123S possible murder site, and that the girls possibly might have been taken there.

Regardless of the route the girls took from the B/L store to get to Hwy 231, they would have driven right by this truck stop on their way back to Dothan.And it was probably the only place open that late at night.


However, there is the chance, that the girls might have been following directions to 231 via Union Ave/123. If so, as mentioned there is a B/L store there also they might have pulled into. If not to get gas, perhaps to make a call to a friend expecting them at the party as suggested by Indicajane.

BBM. I had a strong gut feeling when I read this. I think this is a strong lead.

As far as gang activity at the time- IIRC, it was the usual gang on gang activity, conveinence store robberies, and we were all worried about carjackings.

BBM. You said the magic word. I haven't been able to shake the idea of a carjacking as the event that initiated this crime. As I've said before, while a scenario where the killer tricks the girls into slowing down/pulling over by posing as a LE officer or a stranded motorist is feasible, it's also a decidedly complicated ruse compared to a carjacking.

DimeDetective- What are your thoughts on The Tuscaloosa News article?

The tangle of multiple stories told to LE by Barrentine and his wife is troubling. I've long maintained that Barrentine was making a very misguided effort to appear to be involved as a means to collect the reward money by "ratting someone out." He even implicated an innocent neighbor in the crime. Even after the neighbor was cleared, Barrentine insisited this neighbor was the killer anyway.

The detail in the wife's statement that Barrentine was "so scared he stayed up all night and watched TV" has the ring of truth to it. But was she playing along, trying to convince LE that her husband knew who the killer was so they could collect the reward? Or was she telling the truth? As mentioned in the same article:

On the stand Tuesday, [Barrentine] said it was all a lie. "I don't know why she would say it," he said.

But earlier in the same article/at the same hearing, Barrentine said:

"I didn't see anything. I made up everything to get the reward money."

If he was freely admitting to this, why wouldn't he just say the same thing about his wife's statements, that she was playing along for the same reason? Instead, he expressed confusion over her motives.

I go around and around in my mind with their statements. Could there be some truth in there?
 
Great thoughts, PROTIPZ!

I think the theory of a military member being involved is possible; but I don't believe this person would have been using any military equipment related to his job.

Okay, I'm shaky on this myself. But here's what I got. I was in the Navy for ten years, and continue to work on a Naval base. Our base police have both civilian and military members, and they use cruisers that are identical to the city police. Finally, they do come and go from the base, though i am uncertain how far they are allowed to go, etc.

That being said, I don't know if the Army does things differently, especially an Army base in Alabama. But if it is similar to what we have here, it should be doable.

Unrelated: Thanks for the words of encouragement. That was my first post on this site.
 
Okay, I'm shaky on this myself. But here's what I got. I was in the Navy for ten years, and continue to work on a Naval base. Our base police have both civilian and military members, and they use cruisers that are identical to the city police. Finally, they do come and go from the base, though i am uncertain how far they are allowed to go, etc.

That being said, I don't know if the Army does things differently, especially an Army base in Alabama. But if it is similar to what we have here, it should be doable.

Unrelated: Thanks for the words of encouragement. That was my first post on this site.


Interesting! I was speaking from my experience living on an Air Force base. Our cruisers never leave the base. Perhaps it depends on the size of base. Ours is rather small and self-contained. For example-- I know with some larger bases one must leave one "area" of base and drive through town to enter a gate for the other "area" of base. I don't have experience with Ft. Rucker so I don't know how it is there.
 
Something to think about and no mistake. Actually, it occurs to me, if it was base police, this would not be the standard TDY, which is the going theory here. Base Police would talk about a billet that goes for years, not days or months. One of the things that makes Army member attractive is that it would give him the opportunity to perform the murders, and then take him out of the area relatively quickly.

Anyway, back to delve through the other... ugh... 21 pages. BRB!
 
The Andalusia Star-News is currently running a series on Covington County's unsolved cases called "Somebody Knows Something." Today's story was about Kemberly Ramer:



http://www.andalusiastarnews.com/20...f-top-cold-cases-chief-believes-girl-is-dead/

This is good to see. You mention her last week and here they go forming a 15 member cold case task force, whatever your doing keep it up ;) Covington cant be much bigger than Dale county I wonder how many members Dale counties cold case squad has. In all seriousness just getting the story back out in the public for these old but solvable cases could very well lead to something they could work with. In Tracie and JB'S case if they're still holding 45 grand of reward $ they should be dangling that out in the media a couple times a year, it wouldn't cost anything to do. A good portion of that money was raised from the people in Dothan from what I read. That kind of money would speak loud in these not so prosperous times.
 
Something to think about and no mistake. Actually, it occurs to me, if it was base police, this would not be the standard TDY, which is the going theory here. Base Police would talk about a billet that goes for years, not days or months. One of the things that makes Army member attractive is that it would give him the opportunity to perform the murders, and then take him out of the area relatively quickly.

Anyway, back to delve through the other... ugh... 21 pages. BRB!

Yes he wouldn't necessarily have to be stationed there, it could be a technician or specialist that was there for a very short period of time for repair work or specialized training ect.

Welcome PROTIPZ, I thought all three of your post were great.
 
Stellar first post, PROTIPZ! We're lucky to have you. Welcome.

All quotes respectfully snipped:

As for the palm print, has there been any discussion as to the usability of the print for evidence and identification?

I'm glad you brought this up. Looking back through my notes, though many suspects (over 100 according to the most recent mentions of this in MSM reports) were cleared through DNA testing, I see no mention of any suspects being tested for a match to the palm print.

It's also important to note that the palm print is mentioned by Tracie's stepfather along with other evidence in one MSM report; in a subsequent MSM article, he refers to the former report as having misquoted him as to some of the evidence that was found (though which piece(s) of evidence he's referring to were never made clear).

There is discussion as to the killer's intelligence, with the concensus being that the killer was more lucky than dumb. My argument against this is that intelligence does not equal meticulousness, nor does it mean well informed or free of compulsion.

The fact is, outside of these two pieces, this killer was able to stop two teenage girls, get them out of their car without a struggle, kill them, put them in the trunk, and leave the scene of the crime undetected and with few to no witnesses. I've not seen yet any talk of tire tracks, footprints, articles of clothing, or any other clues that would lead investigators to the culprit. I'm not saying this guy is a genius, but it would be, I believe, a mistake to call him dumb.

Very good points. Whenever someone gets away with murder, the "Intelligent or Lucky?" discussion will inevitably come up. I'm on the fence in this case; perhaps it's a combination of both intelligence and luck, but then, maybe that's always the case.

Regarding tire tracks, footprints, clothing, etc., no mention of such evidence has been made in MSM reports that I'm aware of. Ozark Police Chief Tony Spivey has stated, however, that investigators do have more evidence that they are withholding and this evidence will not be made known to the public until the case is closed. So tire track, footprint, and other types of evidence could very well have been collected at the scene.

I am skeptical. One idea I think would be helpful here is that the killer was ready to kill, and the victims were chosen at the time of the murders. I don't think this was planned before hand. What does this mean? This means that the killer had to be prepared for a host of contingencies and potential victims.

What I mean by this is that, yes, it is possible that two teenage girls might need only a flashing blue light to pull over and surrender all power with complete trust. But it is possible that the killer didn't even know he was going to be pulling over two teenagers, and someone older and more experienced needs a certain threshold of decorum to believe that the person pulling them over at the time is actually police.

This is so well thought out. Excellent, excellent point.

I just want to show my support for the idea that the semen is not necessarily that of the killers.

I agree that it's important to consider this. If J.B. did engage in an unrelated consensual sexual encounter earlier, the DNA evidence is throwing the investigation way off track. Again, over 100 suspects were cleared when their DNA did not match that which was found on J.B.

Looking back through my notes, here is one of the more compelling of those suspects (note how the first sentence fits with this scenario):

A man from Michigan who was at a party the night of the murders near where the car was found is also a "very viable" suspect, the chief said, even after tests failed to match the man's DNA to that found on J.B.'s clothing. The man, whom Spivey would not name, left town within days of the murders, the chief said, adding that investigators have traveled to Michigan three times to interview him. The man cannot account for three or four hours of his time on the night of the murders, and later made "suspicious" statements to people, Spivey said. He did not elaborate on what he meant by suspicious.

Important Note: If J.B. did have an unrelated consensual encounter with a boyfriend earlier, this boyfriend's coming forward with this information could, by way of removing the DNA red herring, lead to the capture of the killer.

Unfortunately, in this scenario it's very likely the boyfriend would withhold this information out of fear of being charged with the murders himself.

My gut is telling me the truck isn't involved...

We believe the occupant of the white truck was identified and cleared by LE in 2004; we're working on verifying this.
 
From The Birmingham News, "A Killer Still Walks Free," January 20, 2000:

Kathy Cook, who operates a beauty shop near where Beasley's car was found, said townspeople have groped for an explanation. "It's kind of a sleepy one-horse town," she said. "It's just a real quiet community. The most excitement we ever have is when there's a ball game." She said she's always guessed the girls stumbled on something they weren't supposed to see. "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time," she said.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/alt.true-crime/p4SW7h5_jjQ
 
I have to go do my dayjob (er... nightjob), but a couple things.

-The mother that met the girls at the gas station described the girls as being clean, and calm. This...

Okay, i want to know the exact level of their agitation at this point in time because as we piece together the events leading up to the moment the girls are murdered, a key element is whether or not the girls were really lost, if they had met someone for a romantic tryst, and whether, ultimately, they were in Ozark on purpose and were claiming they were lost to buy time from a curfew.

Initially, I want to trust the girls and say everything is on the up and up. They really meant to go to the party, and they really got lost. The initial phone call to the party would back this up. And while a half hour drive may seem extreme on bad directions, the fact is, you always go further on new directions to a place you don't know. Always, because you're constantly feeling like the next turn up ahead might be your turn.

So I'm two teenage girls, got lost to a party, but I got directions and shoot, this drive is starting to take way longer than it should.

Hawlett's mother seemed adamant about the fact that Tracie was never late. I have that compuction as well. For the freakishly punctual, the prospect of being late is something that would cause severe agitation. That's alone. Now we're talking about driving dark roads at night...

My point being, the girls should have been agitated to SOME degree. Maybe not to the degree of being stalked by a serial killer, but to my way of thinking, by the time they are talking to the mother at the gas station, they should be harried to some extent unless of course they had planned to be out at that time and the theory they were pretending to be lost is correct.

-I have to ask the question... are we sure it isn't a cop? So much of the evidence makes us feel like the girls thought they were being stopped by a cop--the degree to which the window was rolled down, the driver's license on the dashboard etc.

I remember hearing something, though, and would like someone who knows better to prove or disprove. Can't remember where I picked this up, but aren't police trained to touch the body of a vehicle they are pulling over specifically so that their prints are there in case something happens? If that IS standard operating procedure, then a cop would NEVER leave the print on the hood. I can understand just about anyone else overlooking that print, but not a cop that has been trained to know the body will be dusted for a cop's prints.

-Barrentine is just too... sorry... stupid for this. Further, his personality doesn't strike me as fitting the personality of the crime. The crime is not perfect, but it is... good enough. Things were missed, obviously, but the killer was able to avoid witnesses, conceal evidence, etc. I've already stated that from what the MSM has reported, there isn't that much evidence to go on besides the big two. Whoever did this, performed a crime such that they could walk away. Barrentine, by contrast, stumbles over himself to BE a suspect. He can't keep a story straight, he tries to rent security footage from a video rental store, just... no. Granted, i don't think anyone really sees him as a suspect anymore, but, you know, I just want to hop on that bandwagon and maybe give the horses a good turn.

-Something that really bothers me is the usage of a gun. The consensus is that this was a sex crime, as indicated by the semen. But... as a friend who has spent much more time studying serial killers has told me... killers of this nature, that kill out of compulsion, especially sexual compulsion... they don't use guns.

Guns aren't personal enough.

if there is any one thing that keeps me thinking that the semen is unrelated to the killings, it is this. It's not very technical or scientific, I am afraid, but there you go. I don't know why our killer would commit some sort of ritualistic sexual act, but then just turn them off with a gun.
 
For what its worth I read on another site someone perhaps a relative stated the cars AC was not working. I think its possible that if he was a smart one he might have left the window rolled down and the purses in view hoping someone might come along and help themselves to the valuables at the same time throwing LE a curve ball.

The Three trips to Michigan is interesting I'd forgotten they made that many. I wonder if he knew either of the victims. To bad his name hasn't leaked that I've heard, It would be nice to know where he was staying and any criminal history either before or after that he might have. They obviously considered him a strong POI. If his dna didn't match they must think he either had a partner that contributed the dna or if he acted alone since robbery wasn't the motive it was something the girls witnessed or hes just a straight up monster and killed for the sake of killing. I have often wondered if they think they know who's responsible but don't have enough evidence to bring charges.
 
So glad to see the thread picking up again! Welcome to PROTIPZ and thanks for adding your insights!

Let's see if I can respond to all the great thoughts made last night.

As for the flashing blue light being used to stop the girls. It might not have been the real thing. I remember once, my boyfriend at the time and I were trying to prank some friends. We pulled up to their house and parked in the drive near the front door. With nothing but a blue baloon we held up with a flashlight behind it that we switched on/off...they were at the door thinkng the cops had shown up..

Constables-

Making a guess here. In this area, a constable doesn't do much. I can't even tell you who ours is. At election time, the motions are gone through, and one is elected, but I'm fairly sure that he just recieves a small stipend and uses his own vehicle. I could be wrong. You just rarely ever even hear of one being mentioned here.

With all he current talk here of MP involvement, I remembered just now that I have a neighbor who is a retired MP. And I'm fairly sure he ended up here due to being stationed at Ft Rucker. I will be more than happy to talk with him and ask him any questions about MPs and his thoughts that one could have committed this crime. What do y'all think?


Carjacking-
IMO, if we look at this as a carjacking, then I believe we have to discount the MP/LE theories. And if it was a carjacking I think the girls would have been taken at one of the intersections in town when they were stopped for a traffic light. But, if it was a carjacking, why were the girls purses not taken, or their valuables. Why were they just apparently mudered for no reason?


Barrentine's wife-

I am still not convinced that she was not telling the truth when she claimed he came home that night so shaken up that he was up all night. I can't rule out some type of involvement by him yet.I just don't believe he acted alone IF he was involved.



If the girls saw something they should not have seen, then what could it have been? There is such a small window there for that to have happened. They were seen leaving the B/L store. So what happened, and where ? We know if this did happen, it had to have been in the city bfore they got to hwy 231. And I'd go farther to say in the downtown area because via either route, once you get out of downtown, it is a straight shot out to hwy 231.

The Michigan Suspect-

He was said to have been in the Herring Ave area attending a party. Barrentine lived in the area. Is it possible that he saw something when he was out to go buy milk related to this suspect...even was acquainted with him, stopped to speak and this was the way he became involved, or saw something?... stopped to speak before he realized what was really going on, and he saw too much, or the supstect offered-one for me, one for you...threatened him if he told...
 
A little more on local constables. Talked to my DH earlier. Just so happens he knows our local one and recently talked to him about the job. Current one is a retired
state trooper. He told DH that he ran for the job as a way to be involved in LE and have access to information. He doesn't really do much.and provides his own vehicle.
 
okay, cool. ny big question of the moment revolves around base police and rules and common practices--specifically if it is common or allowed for base police to leaver base in their vehicle.

i dont think this is a standard cop or constable. an actual cop would have to radio in, and i do not think a cop would leave a palm print on the trunk for reasons stated earlier. base police on the other hand, may be different for a number of reasons, and fit nicely with a number of plausible theories.the issue herer is, it is not uncommon for base police here to leave base, but we have a large base, and it is a different military branch entirely.

i'm curious if your constable friend is privy to any other information.
 
I plan to talk to my neighbor who is the retired MP. I'm starting a list of things to discuss.

DH did tell me that he was formerly a MP at Rucker. not sure of the years though.
 
i am about halfway through the thread, so i am still collecting pieces, but one theory that still seems alive is that the girls were stopped by a killer or killers pretending to be in an accident or broken down.

i would like to offer some arguments to discount this theory logically if possible.

the thing is, this is an ambush attack. we are talking about a sparsely populated area and backroads with little to no traffic, especially in the middle of the night. our killer has made the conscious choice to kill. whether he knew the girls previously or chose them on the spot, our killer wanted to kill. for this reason, i have a hard time believing he will be so passive as to hide in wait for prey that may never come. the idea of an ambush is too passive for a killer ready to kill. but even if ambush wasnt too passive, i should think perhaps the killer would choose conditions more likely to net prey. a spider builds its web where insects are likely to pass.

an ambush scenario is more likely for a prepared target. the killer has studied the victim's routine, knows where they will be at the right time, and carefully plots the ambush. these girls were lost, this was decidely outside routine. them getting caught in an ambush is pure luck.

from this standpoint, the killer is much more likely to want to stay on the move, actively searching for prey.

the other thing to consider is attention. a fake accident or break down is far too likely to attract the wrong kinds of attention--police, tow trucks, good samaritans that dont meet the killer's victim criteria. this also leads to a choice with two bad options. 1)the killercould disable his own vehicle to grant credibility to the accident/breakdown lie. the problem here is, the killer now has a disabled vehicle, and no means for automotive escape if things were to go south, or complications arise. much talk has been made of a second vehicle belonging to the killer. if the killer had a car, it is unfound suggesting he didnt diable it. 2) the killer chooses to not disable vehicle. the problem here is, if he is addressed by police or a good samaritan that doesnt meet his criteria, he now has a lot of explaining to do.

in any case, the ambush method doesnt meet basic risk/reward analysis. the probability of attracting prey is too low compared to the probability of attracting the wrong kind of attention.

my logic pins on two things--the intelligence and aggressiveness of the killer. the killer's intelligence remains up for debate. i happen to think he is at least adequately intelligent if not genuinely smart. but as for aggression, i am thinking this is not a passive person. maybe not even patient.

another thing to think about. if my logic here is sound, and i hope it is, this makes the theory of a police imposter even more attractive. being mobile will appeal to the killer's need to be actively seeking prey. the police guise will allow him the trust to stop the girls and gain control without signs of forced entry, and finally, if the killer pulls over someone who he doesnt want to kill, he can 'let them off with a warning' and most will be so pleased to avoid the ticket, they wont ask further questions.
 
At this point with the info we have, I agree with k.rose about Berrantine (sorry about the spelling- I am talking about the guy that went out for milk).

I have the feeling he saw something that night or he walked past the crime scene. That would explain his shock that night and length of time he was out. That would also explain why he took a sudden interest in the case and thought he could crack it to get the reward money. I agree that he doesn't seem smart enough to pull it off, especially after being under scrutiny for so long.

Since a few other posters have been talking about local rumors- there has been quite a few people out there who have talked about local meth cookers in the area. I don't think the girls were involved with drugs, but they could have crossed paths with someone who was. Anyone who might have suspected the killer might be too messed up to care about the girls, or too scared to cross the wrong people.
 
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