AL - Teen Kills Five Family Members, Limestone County, 3 Sept 2019 *mistrial, retrial 2023*

[Blondie in Spokane]

Studies on teen murderers show that most have
suffered terrible trauma and abuse in their lives.
don't have a link handy so moo.

I tried three times to type out a long-winded reply to your post but I failed to get it to come out correctly. I give up.

Yes, ITA with your post. This is so sad.

 

[btfly547]

Strange destination for a family trip with an impending hurricane.

You think so?
I'm from Huntsville and grew up near the coast and dodging Hurricanes! Hurricanes a week out wouldn't keep me from a probably long planned trip, then again it hasn't even kept me from continuing on a cruise. Seeing she was a teacher, and the weather is finally a bit cooler - perfect timing.

 

[Lillymac]

Pensacola is almost in Alabama- hundreds of miles from Dorian.

Thanks.

 

[Lillymac]

You think so?
I'm from Huntsville and grew up near the coast and dodging Hurricanes! Hurricanes a week out wouldn't keep me from a probably long planned trip, then again it hasn't even kept me from continuing on a cruise. Seeing she was a teacher, and the weather is finally a bit cooler - perfect timing.

Great!

 

[btfly547]

I hope their deaths aren't in vain and hopefully some parents will see this as an opportunity to keep guns locked away. I don't own a gun, and my fear of situations like this as well as teen suicide is largely a reason why.

I'm sure something was going on and maybe missed in regards to this kid. I think guns are okay for protection, but should be kept locked from teens the same as away from toddlers. Of course he knows right from wrong, but I don't think can fully comprehend the ramifications of what has and will happen to him and all of his extended family.

This is tough. Poor family.

 

[10ofRods]

Just curious about you're thoughts so far as to
what you think caused this.
I really admire your posts in the past cases.

Oh - thank you! I should mention that my first work out of graduate school was in medical/psychiatric anthropology. I got to interview some violent offenders and continued to work in jails (and still interview violent offenders outside of jail, when I can).

I also speak to a couple of psychiatrists who specialize in adolescent psych.

Adolescents today, in the West, are more than angtsy. Suicide rates are going up among teens and twenties. However, it's hard to actually kill oneself (psychologically). Getting enraged at others, and wanting to kill everyone is a frequent rage-state. Some teens really hate their parents for bringing them into the world. This is one of the most common themes in adolescent psychiatry (teens are focused on how rotten their parents are, how their parents should never have had kids, how their whole life is effed up, and they wish they weren't alive, and their parents have too many kids). They're usually in the psychiatrist's office because of a court order.

So, violent acting out by teens should involve the police. The police are not the enemy here (for the parents). But, in a case where one parent may be in trouble with the law or opposed to police, that doesn't happen.

Family annihilation can happen anyway (even if the police are involved) but if the kid is really violent and is convicted of assault, they'll be spending some much-needed time away from the families they hate so much.

The family annihilator's first task is to get rid of that horrible family. The one that should never have been, the one that resulted in their own existence. Then, they'll go to jail OR they'll get up the courage to shoot themselves OR they'll get the death penalty. They will be barred from being part of society and reproducing their parents' errors.

Adolescence is, psychiatrically, a time of high risk. If the person can get to 30 without killing anyone or themselves, or committing other serious crimes, they typically chill out a little. They may still be harmful, but they won't be 14 year olds who hate their families, themselves, and want to cauterize a psychological wound.

IOW, they don't look forward to any kind of life, they simply want the unbearable pain gone, they want to be locked up, they are going to be generally calm and happier in jail (or dead), that's what they're thinking. Not that they'll get away with it or that things will go swimmingly.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Oh - thank you! I should mention that my first work out of graduate school was in medical/psychiatric anthropology. I got to interview some violent offenders and continued to work in jails (and still interview violent offenders outside of jail, when I can).

I also speak to a couple of psychiatrists who specialize in adolescent psych.

Adolescents today, in the West, are more than angtsy. Suicide rates are going up among teens and twenties. However, it's hard to actually kill oneself (psychologically). Getting enraged at others, and wanting to kill everyone is a frequent rage-state. Some teens really hate their parents for bringing them into the world. This is one of the most common themes in adolescent psychiatry (teens are focused on how rotten their parents are, how their parents should never have had kids, how their whole life is effed up, and they wish they weren't alive, and their parents have too many kids). They're usually in the psychiatrist's office because of a court order.

So, violent acting out by teens should involve the police. The police are not the enemy here (for the parents). But, in a case where one parent may be in trouble with the law or opposed to police, that doesn't happen.

Family annihilation can happen anyway (even if the police are involved) but if the kid is really violent and is convicted of assault, they'll be spending some much-needed time away from the families they hate so much.

The family annihilator's first task is to get rid of that horrible family. The one that should never have been, the one that resulted in their own existence. Then, they'll go to jail OR they'll get up the courage to shoot themselves OR they'll get the death penalty. They will be barred from being part of society and reproducing their parents' errors.

Adolescence is, psychiatrically, a time of high risk. If the person can get to 30 without killing anyone or themselves, or committing other serious crimes, they typically chill out a little. They may still be harmful, but they won't be 14 year olds who hate their families, themselves, and want to cauterize a psychological wound.

IOW, they don't look forward to any kind of life, they simply want the unbearable pain gone, they want to be locked up, they are going to be generally calm and happier in jail (or dead), that's what they're thinking. Not that they'll get away with it or that things will go swimmingly.

Great post.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Family members are saying that he has been "acting out" for awhile now, caused some damage at school and there was violence towards animals. I just think that the parents should've got him some professional help, especially with other children in the home. Plus, taken into consideration his violent behaviour, having guns inside the home was probably not a very smart idea, and yes I KNOW, that if he really wanted to kill he would've found other ways to do so, but why make it easier? I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay for the crimes he commited but something could've been done to, at least, TRY to prevent this tragedy.

Do we have any reason to believe that nothing was done to prevent this? Just because something like this happens doesn't mean that the parents did nothing to try and help their child. In reality loads of kids act out and it never results in the entire family killed. And maybe most parents don't have the time or means to treat every kid acting out as literal life or death. There is a difference between helping a kid acting out or being violent even and literally selling your home and car to somehow prevent your kids from ending up a murderer.

I see a lot of parents doing what they can to help their kids. It takes a ton of time and resources and even if your kids are able to end up locked up for their psychological safety 24/7 for a while it doesn't necessarily solve the problem. It's just too easy to look after the fact and blame them for not somehow knowing their kid would kill them all. Maybe the parents really were just negligent. But I'm willing to bet it's just another set of fallible human beings doing their best while already under the normal everyday stresses of survival.

 

[btfly547]

The family annihilator's first task is to get rid of that horrible family. The one that should never have been, the one that resulted in their own existence. Then, they'll go to jail OR they'll get up the courage to shoot themselves OR they'll get the death penalty. They will be barred from being part of society and reproducing their parents' errors.

Adolescence is, psychiatrically, a time of high risk. If the person can get to 30 without killing anyone or themselves, or committing other serious crimes, they typically chill out a little. They may still be harmful, but they won't be 14 year olds who hate their families, themselves, and want to cauterize a psychological wound.

SBM.
Thanks and I completely agree.

I remember just plain not liking my parents and some of my siblings from ages 12 until at least 20 or so. We had a very dysfunctional household (alcohol use, poverty, etc.) and I many times wished I was in foster care instead of with them. I definitely can't speak for this situation, but perhaps the main difference was he had access to "solve his problem" and I didn't? I never dreamed of doing anything like this kid did, but I wanted out for a very long time.

Now I'm the mom of a teen and she's had crazy outbursts as well. This is with me trying to avoid as much dysfunction as possible while trying to remember how I felt and what would have helped me at that age.

 

[bronbaby]

Family members are saying that he has been "acting out" for awhile now, caused some damage at school and there was violence towards animals. I just think that the parents should've got him some professional help, especially with other children in the home. Plus, taken into consideration his violent behaviour, having guns inside the home was probably not a very smart idea, and yes I KNOW, that if he really wanted to kill he would've found other ways to do so, but why make it easier? I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay for the crimes he commited but something could've been done to, at least, TRY to prevent this tragedy.

Hi @claudianunes would you please post any links you have to this info? i'd like to read up. thanks

 

[LietKynes]

Sheriff: 14-year-old killed his family, later confessed | Daily Mail Online

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  • Police identified the victims as the suspect's father, John Sisk, stepmother Mary Sisk and three of his siblings aged 6, 5, and 6 months .

Murdered two children and a baby.

He should face the DP. Unfortunately, because of his age... he'll most likely have mental treatment and be out by the age of 21.
Let's hope not.

 

[LietKynes]

Family members are saying that he has been "acting out" for awhile now, caused some damage at school and there was violence towards animals. I just think that the parents should've got him some professional help, especially with other children in the home. Plus, taken into consideration his violent behaviour, having guns inside the home was probably not a very smart idea, and yes I KNOW, that if he really wanted to kill he would've found other ways to do so, but why make it easier? I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay for the crimes he commited but something could've been done to, at least, TRY to prevent this tragedy.

Did you have a link ? ^^^
Thanks in advance.

Can't find any FB links for the deceased, there's not much in msm either.
Would assume due to the murderer's young age.

Eta to add : It would be very easy for this teen to say he was abused, beaten, or whatever.
They're all dead and can't defend themselves !!!!!
He had no reason to murder the two children and a baby, fgs.

Although maybe in his warped and evil mind he thought that the 5 and 6 year old would reveal his "accusations" against the parents as false ?

The fact that he killed the baby shows his true nature; imo.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Daisy McCarty is the teen’s first cousin and John Sisk’s biological niece. McCarty says there were warning signs that something was wrong.

McCarty says the suspect was a normal teen until this past year when he started acting out.

She said last week, his parents told him Mary Sisk wasn’t his biological mother. McCarty believes that was a turning point for the teen.

“He didn’t know any different of who his mom was. His biological mom was Karina. And they just recently told him, and I think that’s really what triggered the little boy, to be honest with you," said McCarty.

She says his parents told her the teen started acting out a little less than a year ago. She said he would burn animals alive and broke into and vandalized his school.

McCarty says she knows there had been problems at home and is confused why his parents didn’t get him help.

“I think he’s been having problems. And everybody, I don’t know why everybody didn’t just see it," she said. "That’s what bothers me because they’d seen it but they didn’t do anything about it really.”

She says she doesn’t blame the parents. However, she believes they could have had more conversations with the teen.

“You know your children, and something wasn’t being said from his part. Maybe they didn’t talk to him enough. I think they didn’t talk to him enough to know what was really going on with him," McCarty said.
Relative: Teen showed warning signs before Limestone County family killings

 

[Lillymac]

Sheriff: 14-year-old killed his family, later confessed | Daily Mail Online

• 
  
  
  • Police identified the victims as the suspect's father, John Sisk, stepmother Mary Sisk and three of his siblings aged 6, 5, and 6 months .

Murdered two children and a baby.

He should face the DP. Unfortunately, because of his age... he'll most likely have mental treatment and be out by the age of 21.
Let's hope not.

I agree. I can almost understand hating your dad or mom, (almost), but three innocent children. A 6 month old baby?? There is no justification for that. Can they keep him locked up until he's 18 and then impose the death penality?

 

[LadyL]

Daisy McCarty is the teen’s first cousin and John Sisk’s biological niece. McCarty says there were warning signs that something was wrong.

McCarty says the suspect was a normal teen until this past year when he started acting out.

She said last week, his parents told him Mary Sisk wasn’t his biological mother. McCarty believes that was a turning point for the teen.

“He didn’t know any different of who his mom was. His biological mom was Karina. And they just recently told him, and I think that’s really what triggered the little boy, to be honest with you," said McCarty.

She says his parents told her the teen started acting out a little less than a year ago. She said he would burn animals alive and broke into and vandalized his school.

McCarty says she knows there had been problems at home and is confused why his parents didn’t get him help.

“I think he’s been having problems. And everybody, I don’t know why everybody didn’t just see it," she said. "That’s what bothers me because they’d seen it but they didn’t do anything about it really.”

She says she doesn’t blame the parents. However, she believes they could have had more conversations with the teen.

“You know your children, and something wasn’t being said from his part. Maybe they didn’t talk to him enough. I think they didn’t talk to him enough to know what was really going on with him," McCarty said.
Relative: Teen showed warning signs before Limestone County family killings

he burned animals alive - that should've been a really big clue that something serious is wrong - that requires inpatient care IMO and the person is still probably beyond help already JMO

 

[Lillymac]

Daisy McCarty is the teen’s first cousin and John Sisk’s biological niece. McCarty says there were warning signs that something was wrong.

McCarty says the suspect was a normal teen until this past year when he started acting out.

She said last week, his parents told him Mary Sisk wasn’t his biological mother. McCarty believes that was a turning point for the teen.

“He didn’t know any different of who his mom was. His biological mom was Karina. And they just recently told him, and I think that’s really what triggered the little boy, to be honest with you," said McCarty.

She says his parents told her the teen started acting out a little less than a year ago. She said he would burn animals alive and broke into and vandalized his school.

McCarty says she knows there had been problems at home and is confused why his parents didn’t get him help.

“I think he’s been having problems. And everybody, I don’t know why everybody didn’t just see it," she said. "That’s what bothers me because they’d seen it but they didn’t do anything about it really.”

She says she doesn’t blame the parents. However, she believes they could have had more conversations with the teen.

“You know your children, and something wasn’t being said from his part. Maybe they didn’t talk to him enough. I think they didn’t talk to him enough to know what was really going on with him," McCarty said.
Relative: Teen showed warning signs before Limestone County family killings

His cousin thinks finding out his stepmother wasn't his bio mother triggered this?? But, I read he was 6 yrs old when bio mother died. Certainly old enough to remember who his mother was. The report I read was curious in that it said his mother died suddenly and that there had also been the loss of a child. Has anyone any information on that?

 

[LietKynes]

His cousin thinks finding out his stepmother wasn't his bio mother triggered this?? But, I read he was 6 yrs old when bio mother died. Certainly old enough to remember who his mother was. The report I read was curious in that it said his mother died suddenly and that there had also been the loss of a child. Has anyone any information on that?

BBM
Yes, I just read about that in the Heavy.com !
The article raises some questions, for sure.

Can I link it ?
Also there should have been no guns in that house. At all.
There's a reason for this in the article.
Also-- the teen is named. Well not exactly--but they might as well have.

 

[Lillymac]

BBM
Yes, I just read about that in the Heavy.com !
The article raises some questions, for sure.

Can I link it ?
Also there should have been no guns in that house. At all.
There's a reason for this in the article.
Also-- the teen is named. Well not exactly--but they might as well have.

I'm not sure about heavy.com. I've seen articles posted with them as the source, but not sure if it was on here or Google. I just know you can't link FB unless it's from LE's page.

 

[enelram]

Oh - thank you! I should mention that my first work out of graduate school was in medical/psychiatric anthropology. I got to interview some violent offenders and continued to work in jails (and still interview violent offenders outside of jail, when I can).

I also speak to a couple of psychiatrists who specialize in adolescent psych.

Adolescents today, in the West, are more than angtsy. Suicide rates are going up among teens and twenties. However, it's hard to actually kill oneself (psychologically). Getting enraged at others, and wanting to kill everyone is a frequent rage-state. Some teens really hate their parents for bringing them into the world. This is one of the most common themes in adolescent psychiatry (teens are focused on how rotten their parents are, how their parents should never have had kids, how their whole life is effed up, and they wish they weren't alive, and their parents have too many kids). They're usually in the psychiatrist's office because of a court order.

So, violent acting out by teens should involve the police. The police are not the enemy here (for the parents). But, in a case where one parent may be in trouble with the law or opposed to police, that doesn't happen.

Family annihilation can happen anyway (even if the police are involved) but if the kid is really violent and is convicted of assault, they'll be spending some much-needed time away from the families they hate so much.

The family annihilator's first task is to get rid of that horrible family. The one that should never have been, the one that resulted in their own existence. Then, they'll go to jail OR they'll get up the courage to shoot themselves OR they'll get the death penalty. They will be barred from being part of society and reproducing their parents' errors.

Adolescence is, psychiatrically, a time of high risk. If the person can get to 30 without killing anyone or themselves, or committing other serious crimes, they typically chill out a little. They may still be harmful, but they won't be 14 year olds who hate their families, themselves, and want to cauterize a psychological wound.

IOW, they don't look forward to any kind of life, they simply want the unbearable pain gone, they want to be locked up, they are going to be generally calm and happier in jail (or dead), that's what they're thinking. Not that they'll get away with it or that things will go swimmingly.

Very insightful, thank you.
Because WS is a victim friendly site, we sometimes have to tiptoe around the problems
that preceded the horrible crime. But in order
to understand what brought the offender to the
point of acting out violently towards his family
or others, I believe we must understand how they got to that point.
MSM doesn't usually go this deep into motive.
From my observations of real life teens who
act out horribly, many of them were not wanted, some were emotionally neglected,
some were physically abused, but most are made to feel truly unloved, and have no value.
I've seen this in several adopted teen boys,
boys abandoned by their divorcing parents,
boys who really didn't have a parent present
in their daily emotional life.
These crimes didn't suddenly happen out of nowhere, it was a situation brewing for a while
that was unattended. Nobody tried enough to
help the kid. That's what we should focus on, IMO.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I’ve read enough. The animal statement did it for me. Killing 5 family members including a baby.