AL - Teen Kills Five Family Members, Limestone County, 3 Sept 2019 *mistrial, retrial 2023*

[margarita25]

No name ?
What could go so wrong in a family that he had to wipe everyone out.
And did no one hear the others being shot and try to flee ?
The article said a 9mm was used.

Alabama shooting: Teenage boy 'kills entire family' in rampage at home | The Independent

From above:

“The sheriff’s office said five people were shot, with three dying at the scene and two later in hospital. It was not immediately clear when or how the the boy obtained the gun.”

The killings follow a rash of mass shootings in the US, including one in Texas that left seven people dead and 22 wounded, including a toddler.”

ETA:

I’ve read enough. The animal statement did it for me.

Thanks for the heads up. I’ll take your word for it.

(Polite exit)

 

[enelram]

Someone asked why was the gun in the home
called an illegal gun and some articles have
mentioned that the father was a convicted felon
or had a record that prevented him from owning a gun.

 

[Luckyzmom]

Escalating violent behavior... Did no one see these incidents as a huge red flag ? One parent was an educator. Lots of missing pieces here JMO just tragic consequences.

 

[claudianunes]

Do we have any reason to believe that nothing was done to prevent this? Just because something like this happens doesn't mean that the parents did nothing to try and help their child. In reality loads of kids act out and it never results in the entire family killed. And maybe most parents don't have the time or means to treat every kid acting out as literal life or death. There is a difference between helping a kid acting out or being violent even and literally selling your home and car to somehow prevent your kids from ending up a murderer.

I see a lot of parents doing what they can to help their kids. It takes a ton of time and resources and even if your kids are able to end up locked up for their psychological safety 24/7 for a while it doesn't necessarily solve the problem. It's just too easy to look after the fact and blame them for not somehow knowing their kid would kill them all. Maybe the parents really were just negligent. But I'm willing to bet it's just another set of fallible human beings doing their best while already under the normal everyday stresses of survival.

Do you think I literally just assumed all of this and proceeded to write a whole post about it? My reason to believe that nothing was done to prevent this is the fact that, a relative of the family stated that "they seen it, but didn't do anything about it, really" about his violent and worrisome behavior. His behavior was not the normal sneking out, being out past curfew, being rude to people, skipping class type of "acting out", he was burning animals to death. As for the rest of your post, all I have to say is that did not blame the parents for anything, all I said is that I think something should've been done.

Hi @claudianunes would you please post any links you have to this info? i'd like to read up. thanks

Did you have a link ? ^^^
Thanks in advance.

Can't find any FB links for the deceased, there's not much in msm either.
Would assume due to the murderer's young age.

Eta to add : It would be very easy for this teen to say he was abused, beaten, or whatever.
They're all dead and can't defend themselves !!!!!
He had no reason to murder the two children and a baby, fgs.

Although maybe in his warped and evil mind he thought that the 5 and 6 year old would reveal his "accusations" against the parents as false ?

The fact that he killed the baby shows his true nature; imo.

The source for the information on my post is in the link provided in the first ever post of this thread. It's not in the text of the article, it's in the video.

14-year-old confesses to killing 5 family members in Limestone County

 

[enelram]

One of my favorite Old Poems-
"Children Learn What They Live"
“If a child lives with criticism, he learns to condemn . . .
If a child lives with hostility, he learns to fight . . .
If a child lives with fear, he learns to be apprehensive . . .
If a child lives with pity, he learns to feel sorry for himself . . .
If a child lives with ridicule, he learns to be shy . . .
If a child lives with jealousy, he learns to feel envy . . .
If a child lives with shame, he learns to feel guilty ...
BUT
If a child lives with tolerance, he learns to be patient . . .
If a child lives with encouragement, he learns to be confident . . .
If a child lives with praise, he learns to be appreciative . . .
If a child lives with acceptance, he learns to love . .
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves..
If a child lives with honesty, he learns what truth is . . .
If a child lives with fairness, he learns justice . . .
If children live with recognition, they learn to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn to be generous.
If a child lives with security, he learns to have faith in himself and those about him . .
If a child lives with friendliness, he learns the world is a nice place in which to live.”
― Dorothy Law Nolte,
(Children Learn What They Live: Parenting to Inspire Values)

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

OMG burning animals alive.....shooting his parents & little innocent kids, sickening, disgusting, heartbreaking case. Oh I hurt when I read these things.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't want to hear about him treated as a juvenile. 14 year olds should know better than to murder people, and lie about it. He needs to be locked up forever. Unpopular opinion or not, no sympathy for the shooter here. JMOO.

It's not an unpopular opinion to me. ITA!

I suspect this will be another tragic case of where a teen didn't get his way about something, and once again flew into a murderous rage killing his entire family.

God be with all of the families who have lost so much.

Imoo

 

[AC's Grandma]

When I first read about his mother dying suddenly I thought it might have been from a car accident. That was my very first thought. Now I'm not so sure. Suppose his mother died from violence and he has had repressed memories. Something odd very likely happened. He was 6 when she died, he should have known that Mary wasn't his bio mom. It's such a terribly sad incident. 5 people dead, and if he just found out in the last year that Mary wasn't bio mom then jealousy and possibly anger toward what he considered being lied to is what started him on a path of destruction.
I truly hope this child, yes he's a child even after the tragedies he caused, gets the help he needs. MOO IMO JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Daisy McCarty is the teen’s first cousin and John Sisk’s biological niece. McCarty says there were warning signs that something was wrong.

McCarty says the suspect was a normal teen until this past year when he started acting out.

She said last week, his parents told him Mary Sisk wasn’t his biological mother. McCarty believes that was a turning point for the teen.

“He didn’t know any different of who his mom was. His biological mom was Karina. And they just recently told him, and I think that’s really what triggered the little boy, to be honest with you," said McCarty.

She says his parents told her the teen started acting out a little less than a year ago. She said he would burn animals alive and broke into and vandalized his school.

McCarty says she knows there had been problems at home and is confused why his parents didn’t get him help.

“I think he’s been having problems. And everybody, I don’t know why everybody didn’t just see it," she said. "That’s what bothers me because they’d seen it but they didn’t do anything about it really.”

She says she doesn’t blame the parents. However, she believes they could have had more conversations with the teen.

“You know your children, and something wasn’t being said from his part. Maybe they didn’t talk to him enough. I think they didn’t talk to him enough to know what was really going on with him," McCarty said.
Relative: Teen showed warning signs before Limestone County family killings

Omg! Burn animals alive??

It reminds me of an article I read written by the psychopath himself when he became an adult. I think the title was Can a 9 year old be a psychopath? His answer was yes because he was one.

Oh my gosh. These poor parents, and their other little children.

They all had to be scared to death of this teen.

Imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In one of the articles the Sheriff said his case could be moved to adult court, and could be a capital case.
I really hope this happens. This teen shouldn't ever be released back into society.

Just finding out someone isnt their biological mother doesn't make them start burning defenseless animals alive.

Imo

 

[Luckyzmom]

I was wondering about that myself ! Not clear on any of that ... But since this kid is a juvenile, we won't learn much. Your thought may be right on the money, Thank you how heart wrenching this is MOO

When I first read about his mother dying suddenly I thought it might have been from a car accident. That was my very first thought. Now I'm not so sure. Suppose his mother died from violence and he has had repressed memories. Something odd very likely happened. He was 6 when she died, he should have known that Mary wasn't his bio mom. It's such a terribly sad incident. 5 people dead, and if he just found out in the last year that Mary wasn't bio mom then jealousy and possibly anger toward what he considered being lied to is what started him on a path of destruction.
I truly hope this child, yes he's a child even after the tragedies he caused, gets the help he needs. MOO IMO JMO

 

[enelram]

When I first read about his mother dying suddenly I thought it might have been from a car accident. That was my very first thought. Now I'm not so sure. Suppose his mother died from violence and he has had repressed memories. Something odd very likely happened. He was 6 when she died, he should have known that Mary wasn't his bio mom. It's such a terribly sad incident. 5 people dead, and if he just found out in the last year that Mary wasn't bio mom then jealousy and possibly anger toward what he considered being lied to is what started him on a path of destruction.
I truly hope this child, yes he's a child even after the tragedies he caused, gets the help he needs. MOO IMO JMO

This kid lost the life lottery when he was born.
I see his father filed a custody suit in 2010 against the mother calling her "an unfit mother".
The mother died suddenly at 31, in 2011.
Drug overdose?? I'd guess. She also had a young baby at the time and had another child who died.
The father is a convicted felon in Indiana.
The father was still involved in a recent 2/19 "armed burglary" case where he went in a man's home to rob him and ended up beating him with a
gun.
This is what this "child" was living amongst.
What was his life like day to day?
What kind of role models did he live with?
What kind of anti-law was he learning?
He had no maturity to cope with his life other
than try to remove the pain and problems.
These problem tend to be "generational" and
do not solve themselves.
The young ones learn from the older generation and just perpetuate the problems
and lawlessness and dysfunction.John & Mary Sisk Family: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[enelram]

Mason Sisk: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Luckyzmom]

Wow, Thank you for posting. How incredibly sad for these kids and babies...

 

[enelram]

photos of some of victims-
'They were always just so kind:' Former babysitter remembers family killed in Elkmont

 

[10ofRods]

Studies on teen murderers show that most have
suffered terrible trauma and abuse in their lives.
don't have a link handy so moo.

Absolutely. There are many studies. In a case like this, one suspects the severe trauma happened inside the family.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

The babysitter says the kids were always happy which is good to hear. But of those photos posted in the last link, only one photo shows the young daughter and baby smiling, everyone else looks so sullen. I just found that odd. JMO.

 

[Lillymac]

Daisy McCarty is the teen’s first cousin and John Sisk’s biological niece. McCarty says there were warning signs that something was wrong.

McCarty says the suspect was a normal teen until this past year when he started acting out.

She said last week, his parents told him Mary Sisk wasn’t his biological mother. McCarty believes that was a turning point for the teen.

“He didn’t know any different of who his mom was. His biological mom was Karina. And they just recently told him, and I think that’s really what triggered the little boy, to be honest with you," said McCarty.

She says his parents told her the teen started acting out a little less than a year ago. She said he would burn animals alive and broke into and vandalized his school.

McCarty says she knows there had been problems at home and is confused why his parents didn’t get him help.

“I think he’s been having problems. And everybody, I don’t know why everybody didn’t just see it," she said. "That’s what bothers me because they’d seen it but they didn’t do anything about it really.”

She says she doesn’t blame the parents. However, she believes they could have had more conversations with the teen.

“You know your children, and something wasn’t being said from his part. Maybe they didn’t talk to him enough. I think they didn’t talk to him enough to know what was really going on with him," McCarty said.
Relative: Teen showed warning signs before Limestone County family killings

I'm sure there will be many who will disagree with me, but I have to say this post infuriates me. There's always someone who comes forward After the fact with all kinds of information and opinion. And blame!!
My question is...why didn't She do something? Why did she just watch from the sideline? Maybe she didn't want to get involved, maybe she felt it was not her business. Okay, very well. Then she should not be involved now. Not one bit of remorse for the loss of 5 of her family, only blame for the parents. 3 innocent children murdered by their brother. How much worse can it get....pure evil. I like others I've seen posted here have to step away. There is nothing that can justify this for me.

 

[10ofRods]

Do we have any reason to believe that nothing was done to prevent this? Just because something like this happens doesn't mean that the parents did nothing to try and help their child. In reality loads of kids act out and it never results in the entire family killed. And maybe most parents don't have the time or means to treat every kid acting out as literal life or death. There is a difference between helping a kid acting out or being violent even and literally selling your home and car to somehow prevent your kids from ending up a murderer.

I see a lot of parents doing what they can to help their kids. It takes a ton of time and resources and even if your kids are able to end up locked up for their psychological safety 24/7 for a while it doesn't necessarily solve the problem. It's just too easy to look after the fact and blame them for not somehow knowing their kid would kill them all. Maybe the parents really were just negligent. But I'm willing to bet it's just another set of fallible human beings doing their best while already under the normal everyday stresses of survival.

My sense is that very little was done in this situation and, instead, a gun was left available to the member of the family who was doing the acting out. Opposite of "doing something."

This is like cases I've seen where a kid is suicidal and a parent says, "I hope you DO kill yourself! You should never have been born!" and then leaves a knife or access to pills lying around.

I think it's hard for those of us with normal or relatively normal families to realize how terrible some families are. In this case, it's possible that one or both adults in the home were also drug addicts (just a hunch). I did fieldwork in the 90's involving meth and crime in a low income area, when one of my students invited me to "come live with her to see what it's like." Eye-opening. Scary. I spent several months visiting that home off and on, often staying overnight (which is when it's really obvious who is a crazy meth-head in the household, and the neighborhood).

There are also genes involved in antisocial behavior and the father, in this case, looks as if he may be involved in antisocial behaviors through his biker affiliations. Bikers were the scariest of the bunch (and the main meth suppliers), which is the main reason this study remains unpublished. Enough time has passed now that some of the participants are dead and others are in jail, and being on WS is making me think that I should probably go ahead and write it up. However, the biker club in question would probably have to be left out, even now (or I'd have to say it was based somewhere that it's not, as I still live in SoCal and the club is still a major criminal gang).

 

[10ofRods]

Escalating violent behavior... Did no one see these incidents as a huge red flag ? One parent was an educator. Lots of missing pieces here JMO just tragic consequences.

One parent was probably unable to act, given that the other parent was a violent felon, in possession of an illegal gun, which was (IMO) used to intimidate the whole family. Frankly, a gun (especially a handgun) in the house (especially kept loaded) is always intimidation of those who aren't the gun handler.

The boy who lived in the house behind mine, growing up, about 5 years younger than me, got up one morning and shot his dad in the back of the head while dad was eating breakfast. Mom became hysterical. The boy told police, "When I saw how upset mom was and that she would never be happy after what I did, I shot her too." He was 14. He's still in prison.