Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #4

[Luna20]

'No One Wants the Truth More than I Do': Alec Baldwin Says Halyna Hutchins' Death 'The Worst Situation I've Ever Been Involved With'

 

[al66pine]

Actors & Skill Sets?

Nicolas Cage said ....The Hollywood Reporter's roundtable '...and you do need to know how to use a gun. You do. You need to take the time to know what the procedure is. Those are part of the job profiles.' Nicholas Cage says movie stars 'need to know how to use a gun' | Daily Mail Online

@MsMarple sbm rbm Thanks for your post, quote, & link. Not commenting about other skills, but disagreeing re an actor's need to how to use firearm in this particular instance.

Iirc* the armorer did not hand the gun to him directly and did not advise him directly of its status. Seems that if Alec had opened the cylinder, he could seen "something" in the chambers and could have asked the armorer to verify that they were what the script called for - dummies or blanks. Presumably not live rounds. And if he did not know how to find the cylinder release latch to open the cylinder, he could have asked armorer to personally check status. my2ct

Did his ego/vanity/self conceit get in the way of asking a young female to assist w this safety issue, despite her role as armorer? Just wondering.
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* Stories about how Alec did obtain the gun seem quite, umm, fluid. Did Alec pick it up from table or did someone hand to him?

 

[mickey2942]

'No One Wants the Truth More than I Do': Alec Baldwin Says Halyna Hutchins' Death 'The Worst Situation I've Ever Been Involved With'

Probably terrible for the victim and her family, too.

 

[BeachSky]

Is there a previous link for this? I’m not following it.

Re: the Splenda packet
One elderly woman said to her daughter
- that girl must write so small -

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

https://legaldictionary.net/negligent-homicide/

"The killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice.".

What is Negligent Homicide?

"Homicide is used to denote the killing of one person by another. The negligent homicide meaning is the killing of another person by acting negligently or without malice. A subset of homicide, various states define this crime differently.".

MOO, is that anyone in possession of a firearm, who did not check said weapon and verify it was not loaded behaved recklessly and with gross negligence. JMO.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Iirc* the armorer did not hand the gun to him directly and did not advise him directly of its status. Seems that if Alec had opened the cylinder, he could seen "something" in the chambers and could have asked the armorer to verify that they were what the script called for - dummies or blanks. Presumably not live rounds. And if he did not know how to find the cylinder release latch to open the cylinder, he could have asked armorer to personally check status. my2ct

This has been discussed extensively in earlier threads, and there is a video back there somewhere that shows how it should be done.

The cylinder in that weapon did not open. Checking status of an 1873 fixed cylinder, side-loading Colt is a complicated process. This is not to say that it shouldn't have been done, just that it wasn't something that takes a few seconds at the last minute, like flipping open the cylinder of a modern revolver or cycling the action of an automatic.

 

[al66pine]

Checking Status of Firearm. Protocol?

... The cylinder in that weapon did not open. Checking status of an 1873 fixed cylinder, side-loading Colt is a complicated process. This is not to say that it shouldn't have been done, just that it wasn't something that takes a few seconds at the last minute, like flipping open the cylinder of a modern revolver or cycling the action of an automatic.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your post w reminder about this weapon having a fixed cylinder, w status not quickly determined.

As my post said: if Alec did not know how to check status, he could have asked armorer.
True w any weapon on the set? Even if checking older weapon takes more time?

And if the armorer does not know, well, holy cow. Not commenting re this armorer's knowledge & skills, tho iirc, her experience was rather shallow.

Thank you, DI Isokawa, for sharing your special knowledge here.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Checking Status of Firearm. Protocol?
@DI_Isokawa Thanks for your post w reminder about this weapon having a fixed cylinder, w status not quickly determined.

As my post said: if Alec did not know how to check status, he could have asked armorer.
True w any weapon on the set? Even if checking older weapon takes more time?

And if the armorer does not know, well, holy cow. Not commenting re this armorer's knowledge & skills, tho iirc, her experience was rather shallow.

Thank you, DI Isokawa, for sharing your special knowledge here.

Agreed and thanks. There were multiple lapses:

1. There was no reason to use an operational firearm in rehearsals when fully functional nonfiring replicas are available for ninety bucks. Production company lapse.

2. There was no reason why the firearm was not fully checked by the "unload/reaload with two sets of eyes" method. We don't know, and probably will never know, if this lapse was due to the armorer's inexperience or because she was intimidated by the whipcracking AD.

3. There was no reason for the armorer to be ordered to stay outside the church when the firearm was carried inside by the AD. It was a rehearsal. Any number of nonessential people could have been asked to step outside to make room for her. AD lapse.

4. There was no reason to announce "cold gun" on the basis of inadequate evidence. AD lapse.

5. There was no reason for the crew to be in the line of fire when the firearm was drawn and cocked. AB and AD lapse.

 

[RANCH]

This has been discussed extensively in earlier threads, and there is a video back there somewhere that shows how it should be done.

The cylinder in that weapon did not open. Checking status of an 1873 fixed cylinder, side-loading Colt is a complicated process. This is not to say that it shouldn't have been done, just that it wasn't something that takes a few seconds at the last minute, like flipping open the cylinder of a modern revolver or cycling the action of an automatic.

Why is it a complicated process?

 

[Laughing]

Why is it a complicated process?

Just built that way, before more modern assembly methods developed.

Seems complicated now, likely still simpler than managing powder, patch, ball, and ramrod to fire a muzzle-loading pistol.

I have not handled this particular style of revolver and would appreciate more information from someone familiar with that model.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Why is it a complicated process?

Well, I suppose it depends on one's definition of "complicated." Maybe I should have said "more involved and error-prone."

To check using the "rattle test." you have to put the weapon on half *advertiser censored*, unload the chambers one at a time with the ejector rod and reload them one at a time. On a revolver with a removable cylinder you can flip the cylinder out, dump all six rounds and reload them without having to turn the cylinder.

If you just want to look at the primers, you have to put the weapon on half *advertiser censored*, open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder on chamber at a time and make sure you've looked at all six. On a revolver with a removable cylinder you can flip the cylinder out and see all six at once.

 

[RANCH]

Well, I suppose it depends on one's definition of "complicated." Maybe I should have said "more involved and error-prone."

To check using the "rattle test." you have to put the weapon on half *advertiser censored*, unload the chambers one at a time with the ejector rod and reload them one at a time. On a revolver with a removable cylinder you can flip the cylinder out, dump all six rounds and reload them without having to turn the cylinder.

If you just want to look at the primers, you have to put the weapon on half *advertiser censored*, open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder on chamber at a time and make sure you've looked at all six. On a revolver with a removable cylinder you can flip the cylinder out and see all six at once.

Since this was a rehearsal they didn't need to use the real firearm. They had a rubber prop gun available for use. They decided to use the real gun anyway.

That gun didn't need to be loaded with anything since it was a rehearsal. It's not complicated nor time consuming to check and see if the gun was loaded with something or not. JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

New Mexico, New York police work to get Baldwin phone

Thu, January 6, 2022, 8:02 PM

The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office and New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney's Office are "actively working" with the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department, New York, and Baldwin's lawyers to get any materials on the phone pertaining to their investigation, according to a press release.

The statement came three weeks after the sheriff's office received a search warrant to seize Baldwin's Apple iPhone to examine text messages, emails and other information stored on the device, according to court documents.

A spokesman for the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department and a lawyer for Baldwin did not respond to requests for comment.

 

[RANCH]

New Mexico, New York police work to get Baldwin phone

Thu, January 6, 2022, 8:02 PM

The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office and New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney's Office are "actively working" with the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department, New York, and Baldwin's lawyers to get any materials on the phone pertaining to their investigation, according to a press release.

The statement came three weeks after the sheriff's office received a search warrant to seize Baldwin's Apple iPhone to examine text messages, emails and other information stored on the device, according to court documents.

A spokesman for the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department and a lawyer for Baldwin did not respond to requests for comment.

So the LE agency that is investigating this case hasn't taken custody of Alec Baldwins phone yet. Why? This article doesn't explain that.

Can Alec Baldwins lawyers prevent a lawful search warrant from being executed? I don't get this at all. JMO.

ETA. I wonder if an arrest warrant for obstruction of justice for Alec Baldwin would get things rolling. JMO.

 

[RANCH]

New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30. Criminal Offenses § 30-22-1. Resisting, evading or obstructing an officer

Resisting, evading or obstructing an officer consists of:

A. knowingly obstructing, resisting or opposing any officer of this state or any other duly authorized person serving or attempting to serve or execute any process or any rule or order of any of the courts of this state or any other judicial writ or process;

New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30. Criminal Offenses § 30-22-1 | FindLaw

 

[Luna20]

New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30. Criminal Offenses § 30-22-1. Resisting, evading or obstructing an officer

Resisting, evading or obstructing an officer consists of:

A. knowingly obstructing, resisting or opposing any officer of this state or any other duly authorized person serving or attempting to serve or execute any process or any rule or order of any of the courts of this state or any other judicial writ or process;

New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30. Criminal Offenses § 30-22-1 | FindLaw

Earlier on the news today it was said that AB refused to give up his phone. That would be “obstructing” right?

It has to be gut wrenching for Halynas husband to know that anyone involved would refuse to cooperate.

 

[Cool Cats]

Earlier on the news today it was said that AB refused to give up his phone. That would be “obstructing” right?

It has to be gut wrenching for Halynas husband to know that anyone involved would refuse to cooperate.

PUBLISHED: 21:02 EST, 6 January 2022 | UPDATED: 16:12 EST, 7 January 2022

New Mexico, New York police work to get Baldwin phone three weeks after search warrant approval | Daily Mail Online

• New Mexico authorities on Thursday said they were working with police in New York state to obtain material from Alec Baldwin's cellphone.
• The actor has yet to give up his Apple iPhone despite the sheriff's office received a search warrant to seize it to examine texts and emails on the device.
• The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office, DA's Office are 'actively working' with the Suffolk County Sheriff's Dept, Baldwin's lawyers to get materials for the investigation.

A Santa Fe judge approved a search warrant for his phone after a request from Detective Alexandria Hancock, who has been granted access to his texts, call records, contacts, photos, videos, and geolocation data.

 

[MsMarple]

PUBLISHED: 21:02 EST, 6 January 2022 | UPDATED: 16:12 EST, 7 January 2022

New Mexico, New York police work to get Baldwin phone three weeks after search warrant approval | Daily Mail Online

• New Mexico authorities on Thursday said they were working with police in New York state to obtain material from Alec Baldwin's cellphone.
• The actor has yet to give up his Apple iPhone despite the sheriff's office received a search warrant to seize it to examine texts and emails on the device.
• The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office, DA's Office are 'actively working' with the Suffolk County Sheriff's Dept, Baldwin's lawyers to get materials for the investigation.

A Santa Fe judge approved a search warrant for his phone after a request from Detective Alexandria Hancock, who has been granted access to his texts, call records, contacts, photos, videos, and geolocation data.

I'm guessing the problem lies in getting Suffolk County (NY) to recognize as valid the New Mexico search warrant? So further guessing it looks like AB and his lawyers aren't interested in turning the phones over until the NY court orders them to. Is that usual?

 

[mickey2942]

I'm guessing the problem lies in getting Suffolk County (NY) to recognize as valid the New Mexico search warrant? So further guessing it looks like AB and his lawyers aren't interested in turning the phones over until the NY court orders them to. Is that usual?

Alec Baldwin 'fully cooperating' with police after cinematographer fatally shot with prop gun

Looks like "fully cooperating" definition has changed since October.

 

[shotgun09]

Should we 'anticipate' another interview via MSM with the sad, but sort of/ sort of not cooperating 'victim' of this terrible tragedy soon? Sorry for the complete and total sarcasm, but goodness! This just gets more absurd as time goes on!