Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #4

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If I were anywhere near this incident, I would have lawyer-ed up.
Nobody is going to take the blame easily or alone.
It is sort of alien to me to have to pay someone a lot of money to tell you to "shut up and talk to no one".
 
mickey2942 said:
Why does the Script Supervisor have an attorney? Why has Gloria Allred inserted herself into this drama? I doubt that the Script Supervisor had her on Speed Dial.
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I'm guessing that many people on set have knowledge about the reported aspects of this case (partying, plinking, things AB may have said or done, things HGR may have said or done, etc). I know I wouldn't want to go up against AB without an attorney.

HGR and her attorney released a statement about the situation (a few days ago? can't remember when). I'll try to find it. In it, she denies any culpability for live rounds being on the set or in the gun, and her attorney suggests sabotage.

Sabotage could be behind ‘Rust’ movie shooting, lawyer says | KRON4

Also, someone (perhaps the line producer) hired a "mentor" for HGR after shooting began. Apparently, it was felt there was a need to have someone oversee and teach her. This person is Seth Kenney, who also provided the guns to the set:

Hannah Gutierrez Reed wasn't the only weapons expert working on 'Rust.' Who was the 'armorer mentor'?

Why did they hire someone as armorer who needed a mentor? How often was the mentor on set? Did he give her a crash course as they began filming, 15 days before the shooting? Did he remain there? Was he also handling guns? What was going on?

I've done a little research into the producers of the movie. Most were "courtesy" or "vanity" credits (one is Alec Baldwin's manager/CAA agent - seems he was never on the set, but this is very common in Hollywood. Another was a good friend of a Dodger cheerleader - who is part of that guy's production company (and she got a credit too, as asst. producer). This is done all the time, for various reasons. The line producer is usually the person who hires the crew, except for big positions like cinematographer and editor, which is usually done by the director. The line producer on this production was Gabrielle Pickle. Here's an article about previous union problems involving Pickle (and camera crew, in 2018):

‘Rust’ Line Producer Had a History of Labor Violations – The Hollywood Reporter

From what I'm piecing together, Rust was a non-union production, also not unusual for a low budget production. Without a union, it's sometimes hard for cast and crew to get union protocols about safety in place, and there's no one to complain to, at least no one who will have much clout.
 
Mo Thuairim said:
I imagine she may sue for emotional distress as she witnessed the shooting and was almost hit by the bullet herself. No idea how GA came to represent her though.

From an older article:

"My law firm, Allred, Maroko & Goldberg, and I represent Mamie Mitchell. Mamie was the Script Supervisor for the "Rust" production," wrote Allred. "She was standing very close to Halyna Hutchins and the director, Joel Souza, when both Halyna and Joel were shot."

(...)

"We are conducting our own investigation of what happened because there are many unanswered questions," she said. "Mamie has been interviewed by the Sheriff’s Department. She has information and evidence which she believes will be helpful in this investigation."

(...)

The attorney concluded by explaining that Mitchell has been "traumatized" and will not be giving interviews to anyone outside of law enforcement...

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' shooting being independently investigated by Gloria Allred: 'Many unanswered questions'
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If she witnessed the shooting, not only does she have the basis of a lawsuit, but she may also be a material witness at a future trial. The rumors about what happened immediately before the shooting can only be settled by MM, and by the director. There may have been one other person there. What is clear, is that there was no armorer there.

I imagine MM was contacted by several attorneys right out of the gate. Most of them probably didn't have the pockets to fund an independent investigation - but GA does.
 
Mo Thuairim said:
Alec Baldwin film set shooting: Halyna Hutchins death will lead to charge of 'gross negligence at the absolute minimum', lawyer says

This is Gloria Allred speaking, who is acting for the script supervisor who called 911. I wonder about what "gross negligence" means with regard to New Mexico law? I believe the DA said there is a higher bar in NM for an involuntary manslaughter charge. It would have to be recklessness rather than negligence for charges to be brought.

ETA: Is gross negligence tantamount to recklessness?
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From the link:
Ms Allred says Ms Mitchell wasn't expecting the gun to be fired, even with a "blank" - let alone live ammunition.

"Alec fired the gun and the bullet whizzed past Mamie," Ms Allred said. "She was in shock that her friend suddenly fell to the floor but had the presence of mind to run out of the church with her phone in her hand and call 911."

Ms Allred says Ms Mitchell is traumatised by the incident. "There was no reason for the gun to even go off because a rehearsal had not even been called," Ms Allred said.

"Alec Baldwin was practising, but it wasn't even a rehearsal.

"Had the scene started, Mamie would not have been inside that church because safety protocols would require her to be outside of the church with ear protectors on and with plexiglass around where the gun would be shot.

"She feels that she deserves the truth and that others on the set need to know why there was a breakdown, leading to a tragedy. It was, at the minimum, gross negligence."


Sky News has also approached Mr Halls for comment but has not been able to reach him.

Mr Halls' lawyer Lisa Torraco told Fox News in an interview earlier this week: "What I can tell you is that expecting an assistant director to check a firearm is like telling the assistant director to check the camera angle or telling the assistant director to check sound or lighting.

So… who’s job was it to “call rehearsal”? Would love to see the “job descriptions” in each Rust contract, as there seems much variance within the industry per who does what & who doesn’t do what. At the end of the day, culpability may come down solely to what the contracts said. Imo
 
“The outing marks the first time the Baldwins have been seen together in New York since retreating to Manchester, Vermont.

On Tuesday the actor was back to promoting his podcast, Here's the Thing, which appeared to be on hiatus due to the tragic accident.

Baldwin took to Instagram to ask followers to tune into his latest episode with children's author and illustrator Marla Frazee.

'She is also the true talent behind Boss Baby, the business-suit-wearing, hard-charging infant who changed my life. In this episode, Marla tackles serious topics such as babies, birthday cake, boxer shorts, boys, and roller coasters. Listen now at the link in my bio,' he wrote”



Alec Baldwin breaks cover as he returns to New York after retreating to Vermont | Daily Mail Online
 
Gardenista said:
Yup, hinky meter pinged when I heard about this.
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My guess only:

Needs an attorney because she may be called as a witness if she's a 911 caller (but aren't there many other 911 callers?)

Allred because Allred contacted the crew soliciting the representation.

Deal closed and retainer signed because Allred discussed her potential success in a huge civil suit - and the matter of Allred not collecting any fee whatsoever until the settlement or verdict comes in, of course.

All MOO JMO IMO Speculation.
 
Luna20 said:
“The outing marks the first time the Baldwins have been seen together in New York since retreating to Manchester, Vermont.

On Tuesday the actor was back to promoting his podcast, Here's the Thing, which appeared to be on hiatus due to the tragic accident.

Baldwin took to Instagram to ask followers to tune into his latest episode with children's author and illustrator Marla Frazee.

'She is also the true talent behind Boss Baby, the business-suit-wearing, hard-charging infant who changed my life. In this episode, Marla tackles serious topics such as babies, birthday cake, boxer shorts, boys, and roller coasters. Listen now at the link in my bio,' he wrote”
Alec Baldwin breaks cover as he returns to New York after retreating to Vermont | Daily Mail Online
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He should seriously lay low for awhile. He's not doing himself any favors in the court of public opinion. MOO
 
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For AB it's not a cut and dried "He's a producer, so he's responsible" (like a strict liability). The question becomes "What kind of producer and to what extent?" Is his counsel able to establish a defense (if necessary) that he was merely an investor? Or an actor who simply got a producer credit as part of his contract? This is seeming unlikely if this was a small film over which he had complete creative control and basically scripted and birthed. MOO JMO

Facts matter.
 
JudgeJoe said:
From the link:
Ms Allred says Ms Mitchell wasn't expecting the gun to be fired, even with a "blank" - let alone live ammunition.

"Alec fired the gun and the bullet whizzed past Mamie," Ms Allred said. "She was in shock that her friend suddenly fell to the floor but had the presence of mind to run out of the church with her phone in her hand and call 911."

Ms Allred says Ms Mitchell is traumatised by the incident. "There was no reason for the gun to even go off because a rehearsal had not even been called," Ms Allred said.

"Alec Baldwin was practising, but it wasn't even a rehearsal.

"Had the scene started, Mamie would not have been inside that church because safety protocols would require her to be outside of the church with ear protectors on and with plexiglass around where the gun would be shot.

"She feels that she deserves the truth and that others on the set need to know why there was a breakdown, leading to a tragedy. It was, at the minimum, gross negligence."


Sky News has also approached Mr Halls for comment but has not been able to reach him.

Mr Halls' lawyer Lisa Torraco told Fox News in an interview earlier this week: "What I can tell you is that expecting an assistant director to check a firearm is like telling the assistant director to check the camera angle or telling the assistant director to check sound or lighting.

So… who’s job was it to “call rehearsal”? Would love to see the “job descriptions” in each Rust contract, as there seems much variance within the industry per who does what & who doesn’t do what. At the end of the day, culpability may come down solely to what the contracts said. Imo
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If it wasn’t a rehearsal, why was the gun in the church room at all?
 
steeltowngirl said:
If it wasn’t a rehearsal, why was the gun in the church room at all?
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IIRC it was a rehearsal for him to practice the draw right before they were set to film the scene. (Talk about the worst possible time to not have the camera rolling.) I'm afraid that it's at the point now where some are looking to cover themselves while others are looking to see what they can gain from this civilly. In other words, are there any credible witnesses even left? MOO
 
The witnesses also appear to be giving statements conflicting with each other in details-not unusual at all for witnesses. They were likely concentrating on whatever it is they were doing rather than on details of where the gun was before Baldwin got it, did AD call "cold" gun and when, were the guns left un-attended during lunch break and for how long and so on.
 
IMO there appears to have been a serious misstep in how this was handled. The shooting occurred on Thursday 10/21. It appears the only one interviewed at any length that day was AB, and he went with them to the station.

"Deputies secured the weapon, the rolling cart, a Western style belt and additional prop ammunition, the affidavit says."

The scene was not sealed off. People were not held there and interviewed right on the spot. No one was tested for gun shot residue - granted though they (LE) knew who the shooter was and did not yet know that there was a "run afoul of the rules" habit of target shooting during lunch break. BUT.... had they stayed there - on site - and not let anyone leave until they interviewed each and every person, they would have known that very day that lunch break target practice was a habit, and then they may have perhaps tested for GSR.

So, now what are they gonna do? They will never be able to now determine "who" on THAT particular day loaded bullets into that gun to target shoot. That GSR is long gone. And, that is a problem. Because the person who loaded that gun IMO, also bears responsibility. MOO JMO

Affidavit offers new details on Baldwin shooting that killed cinematographer

The ‘Rust’ Shooting Spurs a Debate Over Using Guns on Film Sets (shooting occurred on Thursday 10/21)
 
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Target shooting was only alleged by media such as TMZ as far as I can tell. I don't know if it is at all credible. The one who loaded the gun was presumably the armorer, who apparently assumed ammo were dummies because she got them out of the box labeled "dummy." Her lawyers claim that should have been able to rely on the "dummy" label on the box. I haven't heard anything as to how else she verified that ammo was "dummies" other than it came from the box labeled "dummy."
 
jjenny said:
Target shooting was only alleged by media such as TMZ as far as I can tell. I don't know if it is at all credible. The one who loaded the gun was presumably the armorer, who apparently assumed ammo were dummies because she got them out of the box labeled "dummy." Her lawyers claim that should have been able to rely on the "dummy" label on the box. I haven't heard anything as to how else she verified that ammo was "dummies" other than it came from the box labeled "dummy."
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That cannot be. Granted I have not been on here in awhile so I can't pull up links on this thread but I know for a fact (though I have to say MOO) that it was reported elsewhere that they engaged in target shooting. And, I know this because I have not been on here and only heard this on the news broadcasts - of which TMZ is not a part (for me). So it was indeed reported pretty widely. Whether it has been officially corroborated or not, however, I'd have to agree because I cannot recall. MOO Speculation.

But, again ... as stated in the prior post, if they had sealed off that scene and interviewed everyone they may have established whether or not this actually did occur. But, they didn't do this until the next day. MOO
 
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Jurisprudence said:
That cannot be. Granted I have not been on here in awhile so I can't pull up links on this thread but I know for a fact (though I have to say MOO) that it was reported elsewhere that they engaged in target shooting. And, I know this because I have not been on here and only heard this on the news broadcasts - of which TMZ is not a part (for me). So it was indeed reported pretty widely. Whether it has been officially corroborated or not, however, I'd have to agree because I cannot recall. MOO Speculation.
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All the other MSM got it from TMZ
 
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