Alec Baldwin

[southcitymom]

Truly, I'm trying to keep an open mind on this one. I don't think Alec is *ALL* bad, but there are quite a few documented instances of really, really bad behavior on his part. I hope the public humiliation of this latest incident has made him ready to deal with his anger problem. If so, this has been a good thing for him and his daughter. One thing I thought was pretty telling was when Alec said (on the now infamous voicemail message), "You'd never dream of treating your mother that way." I dunno, I thought maybe that's because mom treats her with respect. :waitasec:

That's so interesting because I thought that "you'd never dream of treating your mother this way statement" was incredibly telling too. What I heard was "you love your mother more than me and that hurts and makes me furious" and I think it's - in Alec's opinion - not because Kim is a better parent or more respectful, but because Kim has so consistantly tried to keep his daughter from having a relationship with him.

I would hope all this hullabaloo would lead both parents to examine themselves and their motives and their behaviors honestly - and to come up with a healthier dynamic for the sake of Ireland.

Alec Baldwin is an angry man, but that shouldn't stop him from having a relationship with his daughter, just as Kim Basinger is an angry woman and that shouldn't stop her from having a relationship with hyer daughter.

 

[poco]

Haven't read through this whole thread, but know what's going on and heard his tirade on Nancy Grace.

Parents who speak to children the way he did should be hung by their........ whatever dangles.......

IMO, the words he said to her were totally despicable. I am glad the tape has been released, and I hope he is forced to lose joint custody or, if not, atleast undergo some seriously counselling as father and daughter. He has more than stepped over the line. That child will never ever forget those words. And I can guarantee you, this wasn't the first time he spoke to her like that!

In order to receive respect you must give it.

I don't know much about actors/actresses, so I can't comment on Kim, but Alec has lost my respect. I wouldn't spend a dime to see any one of his movies!

 

[Taximom]

Haven't read through this whole thread, but know what's going on and heard his tirade on Nancy Grace.

Parents who speak to children the way he did should be hung by their........ whatever dangles.......

IMO, the words he said to her were totally despicable. I am glad the tape has been released, and I hope he is forced to lose joint custody or, if not, atleast undergo some seriously counselling as father and daughter. He has more than stepped over the line. That child will never ever forget those words. And I can guarantee you, this wasn't the first time he spoke to her like that!

In order to receive respect you must give it.

I don't know much about actors/actresses, so I can't comment on Kim, but Alec has lost my respect. I wouldn't spend a dime to see any one of his movies!

I just hope he can use this moment in time to better his relationship with his daughter.

I've read comments here about Kim being a mean drunk etc, but I've never heard about those things in the "news". Doesn't mean they aren't true, I just never heard anything bad about her parenting skills.

 

[ziggy]

I believe Alec has a narcissistic personality disorder. I say this because radio talk show host Tammy Bruce knew him back when he was on a Soap called "The Doctors" (I think that was the Soap name). He was known as Zander back then. Tammy was good friends with a soap star who was going through a bad divorce, she was an alcoholic and had suffered other tragedies recently. This troubled actress dated Alec for about 3 weeks. She said that Alec's favorite game when they went out was to keep count of which one of them got recognized the most. 3 weeks later, the actress shot herself. When Tammy called "Zander" to tell him, the first thing he asked was, "was it because of me?"

It's always about Alec. You can hear it in his rant...me, me, me, me: I made an *advertiser censored* out of myself; This is the last time I'm going to let you humiliate ME; You would never dream of doing this to your Mother (translate: you are only doing ME wrong), etc.

With his reputation for being hot-headed and going off on angry tirades (a Broadway actress actually quite a hard earned acting job because she couldn't handle being in the show with Alec) I think we are naive to think he hasn't unloaded that wrath on those closest to him as in Kim and Ireland.

Kim's statement says she did not release the tape. I don't know the truth about that but for me it doesn't matter. I also think it's possible his daughter may have wanted the world to know what an *advertiser censored* her father really is. I have an 11 year old and she's pretty saavy and sort of an "old soul" so I could see her doing something like that.

It's hard to try and tell people what a jerk someone is when the world adores him and he's very successful and rich. They tend to not believe he's as bad as you say he is. Maybe SHE got tired of feeling like no one believed HER and that he treated her badly. I think this could be a positive thing for the daughter who finally gets a SANITY CHECK. Now everyone know what only she knew for so long...her feelings are validated and confirmed.

 

[Taximom]

I wonder what he said during his interview on The View.

LOL I noticed I have incorrectly typed "alex" more than "alec" here in the comments. :blushing:

 

[tybee204]

I watched The View this morning and Alec Baldwin IMO is a jerk. His entire interview came off to me as fake and he used every opportunity to degrade his ex wife ( in a tearful somber manner of course) He offers alot of blame but takes no responsibility.

 

[Floh]

I wonder what he said during his interview on The View.

LOL I noticed I have incorrectly typed "alex" more than "alec" here in the comments. :blushing:

Picture yourself on the Wall of Spelling Shame.

 

[Ntegrity]

He offers alot of blame but takes no responsibility.

Gee, I wonder why the marriage broke up.

 

[Floh]

I watched The View this morning and Alec Baldwin IMO is a jerk. His entire interview came off to me as fake and he used every opportunity to degrade his ex wife ( in a tearful somber manner of course) He offers alot of blame but takes no responsibility.

Colour me totally unsurprised.

 

[Seven]

<snip>
Kim's statement says she did not release the tape. I don't know the truth about that but for me it doesn't matter. I also think it's possible his daughter may have wanted the world to know what an *advertiser censored* her father really is. I have an 11 year old and she's pretty saavy and sort of an "old soul" so I could see her doing something like that.

It's hard to try and tell people what a jerk someone is when the world adores him and he's very successful and rich. They tend to not believe he's as bad as you say he is. Maybe SHE got tired of feeling like no one believed HER and that he treated her badly. I think this could be a positive thing for the daughter who finally gets a SANITY CHECK. Now everyone know what only she knew for so long...her feelings are validated and confirmed.

well said, ziggy!

it's the same phenomenon that occurred in the case of joan crawford and her adopted children. even after her daughter published the book full of details, joan's fans accused her of all manner of motives for lying .... same thing happened with Marilyn Van Debur, the former miss america, who was an incest victim at the hands of her "prominent, millionaire father."

anyway, about the release of the tape, greta VS asked a former prosecutor (forget her name) who's a regular commentator whether maybe Ireland could have released it herself, say she let a friend listen to it and they, being of the "youtube generation" thought it would be a funny thing to do. the guest rejected that possibility out of hand, wouldnt even go there, but it didnt sound so impossible to me!

p.s. tammy bruce is a hoot and a half! i only get to hear her once a week when she does her show on saturdays for kabc radio, but i always try to tune in to her opening dialog because she always makes me laugh!

 

[Taximom]

Picture yourself on the Wall of Spelling Shame.

Oh, no doubt I'm on many walls like that! :blushing:

 

[TopGunner]

Hey Topgunner! :blowkiss:

You're cracking me up. On one hand you say there ARE two sides to every story. On the other hand you say - NOT to this one. I'm very confused - of course, that's a natural state of being for me!! :crazy:

There are way more than two sides to THIS story - there are many many viewpoints.

It's like the ten blind men touching the elephant - one touches his trunk and thinks THAT's what an elephant is, one touches his leg and thinks THAT's what the elephant is, one touches his side and thinks THAT's what the elephant is; at the end of the day, all those blind men think they know what an elephant looks like, but not one of them can describe it.

We're like those blind men. We may think we know what this elephant really looks like, but our data is limited to the places we are exposed to. Believe me when I say we haven't been exposed to the whole beast!

I agree that Basinger is a messenger......just like Lucifer was!

LOL, SC, you are a sweetheart with a good sense of humor. I realize how that sounded, it didn't come out the way I meant. It has been years and years for me, I rarely even think about any of this anymore - certainly don't define myself as an "abused child", BUT - giving my attention to this subject here, I find myself shaking in my boots - literally. Even after all this time, I am finding raw emotion here. Unless you've lived through this it would be impossible to understand. Abusers are sneaky, slick, and manipulative. They'll beat you on your head, where your hair hides the bruises. They can threaten you in a room full of people, and nobody will know they did - except you, their victim. They're extremely controlling and sinister. When I heard that tape, I KNEW immediately that this was no isolated incident. Personally, I heard many messages within his "message". These people are next to impossible to stop. Of course, I'm guessing here - but I wouldn't be surprised if KB hasn't tried everything from silence, to agreeing, to fighting, to hiding. You just can't win, EVER. If she did release this tape, I also believe she was well aware of the ramifications, but was willing to take the risk because they just can't live in terror any longer. Ultimately (for me anyway) you don't even care if they "get" you, if you die. Sounds very dramatic, but it is. So, what I meant by "two sides to every story" but not this time - is, I believe that to anyone who has never lived this way, they will feel "oh poor Alec, look was she's done, she's gone too far..." and I can understand that. But, to anyone who has lived this way, it makes senese that after all these years she'd (KB) be willing to put this out there. I don't think it was malicious, I think it is desperation.

Just my opinion, but nothing can convince me that AB is not an abuser. A very demented one. The fact that all statements from his camp and from him are trying to deflect responsiblility elsewhere confirms this for me. Anyone else would be mortified and remorseful.

 

[southcitymom]

LOL, SC, you are a sweetheart with a good sense of humor. I realize how that sounded, it didn't come out the way I meant. It has been years and years for me, I rarely even think about any of this anymore - certainly don't define myself as an "abused child", BUT - giving my attention to this subject here, I find myself shaking in my boots - literally. Even after all this time, I am finding raw emotion here. Unless you've lived through this it would be impossible to understand. Abusers are sneaky, slick, and manipulative. They'll beat you on your head, where your hair hides the bruises. They can threaten you in a room full of people, and nobody will know they did - except you, their victim. They're extremely controlling and sinister. When I heard that tape, I KNEW immediately that this was no isolated incident. Personally, I heard many messages within his "message". These people are next to impossible to stop. Of course, I'm guessing here - but I wouldn't be surprised if KB hasn't tried everything from silence, to agreeing, to fighting, to hiding. You just can't win, EVER. If she did release this tape, I also believe she was well aware of the ramifications, but was willing to take the risk because they just can't live in terror any longer. Ultimately (for me anyway) you don't even care if they "get" you, if you die. Sounds very dramatic, but it is. So, what I meant by "two sides to every story" but not this time - is, I believe that to anyone who has never lived this way, they will feel "oh poor Alec, look was she's done, she's gone too far..." and I can understand that. But, to anyone who has lived this way, it makes senese that after all these years she'd (KB) be willing to put this out there. I don't think it was malicious, I think it is desperation.

Just my opinion, but nothing can convince me that AB is not an abuser. A very demented one. The fact that all statements from his camp and from him are trying to deflect responsiblility elsewhere confirms this for me. Anyone else would be mortified and remorseful.

Thanks, TopGunner. I do understand what you are saying and appreciate your honesty. I am sorry to hear of any abuse in your past. I have a past history of emotional, verbal and physical abuse as well, though, like you, I don't define myself as an abused child or person.

I come to the case with my own raw emotions as well - it's just my adult pains come more from my mother's campaign to poison me and my sisters against my father....I see so many of the same elements and situations I experienced played out in the Baldwin/Basinger dynamic and my opinions are flavored accordingly.

My mother, like Kim, is a true Southern Belle and after divorcing my father, she gave new meaning to "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!" My mother tried to justify her irresponsible and immature behavior in the "I'm just trying to protect you from your alcoholic father" excuse, but that wasn't the truth.

Anyway, as I hope you know, I respect the heck out of your opinions even when they don't mirror my own!

 

[philamena]

I watched The View this morning and Alec Baldwin IMO is a jerk. His entire interview came off to me as fake and he used every opportunity to degrade his ex wife ( in a tearful somber manner of course) He offers alot of blame but takes no responsibility.

Yep. He reminded me of an abusive husband. Abusers come off as all nicey wicey to everyone except those they abuse. After an abusive incident the abusers shower the abused with apologies and compliments and love, etc. Baldwin didn't fool me for a minute. On The View this morning he even said the message or part of the message was for Kim. I say he's full of crap. His message speaks for itself.

 

[TopGunner]

Thanks, TopGunner. I do understand what you are saying and appreciate your honesty. I am sorry to hear of any abuse in your past. I have a past history of emotional, verbal and physical abuse as well, though, like you, I don't define myself as an abused child or person.

I come to the case with my own raw emotions as well - it's just my adult pains come more from my mother's campaign to poison me and my sisters against my father....I see so many of the same elements and situations I experienced played out in the Baldwin/Basinger dynamic and my opinions are flavored accordingly.

My mother, like Kim, is a true Southern Belle and after divorcing my father, she gave new meaning to "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!" My mother tried to justify her irresponsible and immature behavior in the "I'm just trying to protect you from your alcoholic father" excuse, but that wasn't the truth.

Anyway, as I hope you know, I respect the heck out of your opinions even when they don't mirror my own!

Ah ha, then you admit it, I WAS right - there ARE two sides to every story, haha..........

Just kidding. SC - I apologize if you've said this before. I work so much that I am guilty of coming into threads, scanning a few and commenting based on those few. I really should cut that out. I humbly admit I never even considered this side of it, and for sure, it's a possibility. The whole thing makes me want to throw up. I think parents get so lost in their pain and fear, they forget there are innocent babies drinking it all in. Very sad. I remember when I had my daughter I VOWED she would never feel FEAR in her own home. When her Dad and I divorced, obviously I couldn't stand him, but I remember telling her that just because I was angry with him, she had every right and reason to love and adore him and to be excited to be with him. Where I pulled that from, Lord only knows...just glad I did.

After reading what you've said here, I still stand by what I said - AB needs some serious professional help, but I agree that KB can very well be feeding it and ENJOYING it. Very sad to see people dedicate their lives to destroying themselves and all those around them. I rarely think of my ex, and if I do, it's never bad. I am grateful I haven't carried anger and hate around all these years, so destructive. AB & KB could learn from Demi and Bruce, now they're an inspiration! Thanks SC for your honestly and kindness.

 

[Amraann]

Topgunner ... I just wanted to say that your post totally sums up what I believe to be the situation with Alec and Kim.

 

[southcitymom]

Ah ha, then you admit it, I WAS right - there ARE two sides to every story, haha..........

Just kidding. SC - I apologize if you've said this before. I work so much that I am guilty of coming into threads, scanning a few and commenting based on those few. I really should cut that out. I humbly admit I never even considered this side of it, and for sure, it's a possibility. The whole thing makes me want to throw up. I think parents get so lost in their pain and fear, they forget there are innocent babies drinking it all in. Very sad. I remember when I had my daughter I VOWED she would never feel FEAR in her own home. When her Dad and I divorced, obviously I couldn't stand him, but I remember telling her that just because I was angry with him, she had every right and reason to love and adore him and to be excited to be with him. Where I pulled that from, Lord only knows...just glad I did.

After reading what you've said here, I still stand by what I said - AB needs some serious professional help, but I agree that KB can very well be feeding it and ENJOYING it. Very sad to see people dedicate their lives to destroying themselves and all those around them. I rarely think of my ex, and if I do, it's never bad. I am grateful I haven't carried anger and hate around all these years, so destructive. AB & KB could learn from Demi and Bruce, now they're an inspiration! Thanks SC for your honestly and kindness.

I bolded what you wrote there because that's what a loving, mature parent does even when they are in terrible pain. Not that I EVER had any doubt that you're a loving, mature parent! You've probably no idea how much you gave your daughter by making that statement.

And what you said about Bruce and Demi - we're on the exact same page. I don't really know much about them, but I have always respected how they separated and seemed to put their children first.

I'm off to a Sock Hop with dh and my two boys! Have a great evening!

SCM

 

[TopGunner]

snip: I'm off to a Sock Hop with dh and my two boys! Have a great evening!


But...but...but WAIT! I wanna go.....................humpf.

SOUNDS LIKE A BLAST - ENJOY!!!!!!!

 

[Peter Hamilton]

I believe Alec has a narcissistic personality disorder. I say this because radio talk show host Tammy Bruce knew him back when he was on a Soap called "The Doctors" (I think that was the Soap name). He was known as Zander back then. Tammy was good friends with a soap star who was going through a bad divorce, she was an alcoholic and had suffered other tragedies recently. This troubled actress dated Alec for about 3 weeks. She said that Alec's favorite game when they went out was to keep count of which one of them got recognized the most. 3 weeks later, the actress shot herself. When Tammy called "Zander" to tell him, the first thing he asked was, "was it because of me?"

It's always about Alec. You can hear it in his rant...me, me, me, me: I made an *advertiser censored* out of myself; This is the last time I'm going to let you humiliate ME; You would never dream of doing this to your Mother (translate: you are only doing ME wrong), etc.

With his reputation for being hot-headed and going off on angry tirades (a Broadway actress actually quite a hard earned acting job because she couldn't handle being in the show with Alec) I think we are naive to think he hasn't unloaded that wrath on those closest to him as in Kim and Ireland.

Kim's statement says she did not release the tape. I don't know the truth about that but for me it doesn't matter. I also think it's possible his daughter may have wanted the world to know what an *advertiser censored* her father really is. I have an 11 year old and she's pretty saavy and sort of an "old soul" so I could see her doing something like that.

It's hard to try and tell people what a jerk someone is when the world adores him and he's very successful and rich. They tend to not believe he's as bad as you say he is. Maybe SHE got tired of feeling like no one believed HER and that he treated her badly. I think this could be a positive thing for the daughter who finally gets a SANITY CHECK. Now everyone know what only she knew for so long...her feelings are validated and confirmed.

--Good post Ziggy

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I think many of us heard things in that telephone rant that struck a note. That was more than a father frustrated by being unable to reach his daughter by telephone, that's for sure.

There was a gut meaness, almost a craziness to it that was outright scary - and it wasn't even directed at me!

Let's all hope the judge involved in this case takes a very, very close look at exactly what has been going on regarding the treatment of this child by BOTH the mother and the father.

I'd want a full psychiatric report on both parents and the child, at this point.

By the way, Alec has parted ways with his long time managers - since this incident. Wonder why?