All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[zoey]

My understanding is that they will be calling ALL the searchers with that script and take it from there by requesting permission from HHJP to contact the searchers.

well guess they don't have to prepare for any upcoming trial.....what a waste!

 

[TinaD]

So they rang one person every three minutes (50 in 2.5 hours) including reading documents and identifying each person and talking with them? That timing doesn't even allow for any people they rang who said "No, I wasn't on Surburban"!

If CM is going to spin stories, at least make them believable!!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

It cracks me up that I'm reading CM's words as if he has such disdain for the people who did the original check, who must have been blithering idiots cause it only took him two and a half hours. Yeah. Two YEARS and two and half hours.

Much ado about nothing.

31 days. 31 days. 31 days.

 

[logicalgirl]

Casey Anthony defense search for Texas EquuSearch volunteers

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...efense-search-for-Texas-EquuSearch-volunteers

<Snipped>

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys say they have new witnesses who may have searched the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found. They say it could prove someone other than Casey killed Caylee.

They're sorting through thousands of pages of documents belonging to the search group Texas EquuSearch.

"In about 2.5 hours, we discovered over 50 new witnesses who all the records said had not been on Suburban Drive. [And they] have just told us over the phone that they were," said Cheney Mason, Anthony attorney.

One of those witnesses could be key to proving the defense&#8217;s theory that Caylee's body was dumped a quarter of a mile from her home after her mother was arrested -- meaning someone else killed the toddler.

So, if the records say they weren't in the area, and they can only call searchers whose papers say they searched in the area, how did the defense find these so called 50 people? Just decide they were going to make random calls?:waitasec:

Seems to me the some of the searchers may have banded together to jerk the defenses chain.:croc:

Who me? I didn't tell you I was in the Suburban area- I told you I was in the Blanshard park area.

Edit: Just read the motion and apparently they can randomly pick searchers to call- so this has been their make busy work today.

 

[RR0004]

:waitasec:
Are they going to be calling every searcher? If people did search on their own..then that info will not be in the TES records..and the Defense already has the documents of the 32 searchers that were assigned by TES to search that area.
BBM

C. That the Defense shall be permitted to have its representative(s) conduct a review of all searcher files. Any individuals who are contained in the various searcher files may be permitted to be telephoned but only in front of the TES representative, its counsel and the Magistrate, for the sole purpose of asking the searcher:

Joint Stipulation and Order Regarding Defense Review of TES Documents
released Sept 14, 2010
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hig...Equusearch.pdf

Well, they supposedly spent two hours going thru records...doesn't leave much time for phoning. Do they get to go back?

ETA: oh...I see they went thru ALL these records AND found people to call. Wow...they're quick.

 

[AZlawyer]

Considering that Cheney Mason can conduct 35 depositions in a single day , I'm not at all surprised he can conduct 4000 telephone interviews in 150 minutes, especially if most of those calls had to be terminated after the initial question, "Did you, with TES or on your own, participate in any search on Suburban Drive?"

Tune in next week, when he will leap tall buildings in a single bound!

 

[Snaz]

What happens if they find one or two people who say they searched the area of Suburban Drive and claim there wasn't a body there? How does the word of one or two people go up against all of the other people who say they were in the area but the water was too deep to really do a thorough search beyond the tree line?

Afterall, no one was searching between June 15 and July 16 when it really would have mattered - that is, to have found the remains closer to the time of Caylee's disappearance. That's another factor that comes into play regarding the 31 days that elapsed while KC and company were 'searching on their own'. There's no way of really knowing if they were intentionally waiting for the remains to go away before reporting her missing. But then, why put Caylee's body out in the woods along with all of her personal things?
Would even the nanny be that stupid?

Also there is always the issue of the Pontiac being abandoned and found at a much later date smelling like decomp to explain away.

BBM

IMO, just because someone MAY have searched that EXACT area (which I believe was not possible due to being under water), and did not find Caylee, still does not mean she wasn't there. It would have been so easy to have missed her little bones, given that she was probably completely skeletonized by the time we ever heard her name for the first time.

Caylee's autopsy report states that she was most likely skeletonized within 2 weeks, so I think the defense is chasing their tails here.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf
Page 29

 

[nums24]

So, if the records say they weren't in the area, and they can only call searchers whose papers say they searched in the area, how did the defense find these so called 50 people? Just decide they were going to make random calls?:waitasec:

Seems to me the some of the searchers may have banded together to jerk the defenses chain.:croc:

Who me? I didn't tell you I was in the Suburban area- I told you I was in the Blanshard park area.

Hi LG, No, the defense gets to call ALL 4000+ searchers with the court approved script.

 

[logicalgirl]

Hi LG, No, the defense gets to call ALL 4000+ searchers with the court approved script.

Thanks Nums24, I'd already gone back and read the motion you posted a few pages back, and I think you may see I've done an edit. My dumb:blushing:

 

[TinaD]

Even if they manage to convince someone to say that they searched the area and that Caylee wasn't there, all the prosecution need to do is show the photos and video of the area - there's no way in that undergrowth that you could be sure you didn't miss a tiny bone.

The defence needs to find another angle - this one will just not work.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

BBM

IMO, just because someone MAY have searched that EXACT area (which I believe was not possible due to being under water), and did not find Caylee, still does not mean she wasn't there. It would have been so easy to have missed her little bones, given that she was probably completely skeletonized by the time we ever heard her name for the first time.

Caylee's autopsy report states that she was most likely skeletonized within 2 weeks, so I think the defense is chasing their tails here.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf
Page 29

BBM - here's a question: how many people out of 100 would know what the EXACT spot is, even after having read about it in the papers, seen videos on the internet, looked at pictures and maps, discussed it in forums, or even did a quick drive-by of the road in person? Because except for the last item, I've done all of that, intensely, multiple times over 2 years and I STILL couldn't tell you within what two foot span the bag was found. I'm willing to bet that out of 50 people, maybe 1 or 2 have an exact idea of the exact spot. And IMO, the EXACT spot is the only spot worth discussing with them.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Hi LG, No, the defense gets to call ALL 4000+ searchers with the court approved script.

Okay, think I need to find the link to the actual court order because I am confused :waitasec:

I know JP granted the defense access to view all 4000 records in front of a TES representative as well as the Special Master, but did he also grant them the right to place an automatic phone call to all 4000?

I thought if information provided on a particular volunteer record (which I believed contained information of where they were assigned to search) and defense SUSPECTED they may have gone onto Suburban, that they could IMMEDIATELY place a phone call to the volunteer, but ONLY in the presence of the TES representative and Special Master.....

So if the defense "gets to call all 4000 volunteers", what is the time frame allotted to do so, and what procedures are in place to make sure a TES rep and SM are available to witness call???

I am so confused....:waitasec:

 

[beach]

Considering that Cheney Mason can conduct 35 depositions in a single day , I'm not at all surprised he can conduct 4000 telephone interviews in 150 minutes, especially if most of those calls had to be terminated after the initial question, "Did you, with TES or on your own, participate in any search on Suburban Drive?"

Tune in next week, when he will leap tall buildings in a single bound!

AMEN! :bowdown:

Please don't anyone panic over these defense leaks. That is exactly what they are hoping for.
Y'all will be throwing up by time this review is over if you take this bait. :hug:


The WS mantra for the next few days shall be:

Consider the source!


If I need to panic, it will be when Judge Perry issues a ruling. And not a moment before. Until then, I suggest we laugh at the arrogance of CM thinking anyone would believe his sales pitch. Since he has been proven to be so reliable.

 

[Snaz]

BBM - here's a question: how many people out of 100 would know what the EXACT spot is, even after having read about it in the papers, seen videos on the internet, looked at pictures and maps, discussed it in forums, or even did a quick drive-by of the road in person? Because except for the last item, I've done all of that, intensely, multiple times over 2 years and I STILL couldn't tell you within what two foot span the bag was found. I'm willing to bet that out of 50 people, maybe 1 or 2 have an exact idea of the exact spot. And IMO, the EXACT spot is the only spot worth discussing with them.

I agree..... many people may not be able to go back and say with certainty exactly where they searched. Particularly if they were not from the area......

I guess I should have clarified my statement by saying "even IF someone STATES they searched that exact area (which I believe was not possible due to being under water), and did not find Caylee, still does not mean she wasn't there." Better?

 

[nums24]

Okay, think I need to find the link to the actual court order because I am confused :waitasec:

I know JP granted the defense access to view all 4000 records in front of a TES representative as well as the Special Master, but did he also grant them the right to place an automatic phone call to all 4000? Yes

I thought if information provided on a particular volunteer record (which I believed contained information of where they were assigned to search) and defense SUSPECTED they may have gone onto Suburban, that they could IMMEDIATELY place a phone call to the volunteer, but ONLY in the presence of the TES representative and Special Master.....

So if the defense "gets to call all 4000 volunteers", what is the time frame allotted to do so, and what procedures are in place to make sure a TES rep and SM are available to witness call???

I am so confused....:waitasec:

Here is the order and script:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean you had to clarify what you were saying! I meant that even if somebody says they searched that exact area, I believe chances of them scientifically being within the exact two foot spot are slim.

I found this old video of the day Caylee was found (obviously not the day it was announced to be her), where the reporter interviews a gentleman who searched "that area" with TES as well as alone, several times he says, and while he doesn't bring up any aspect of standing water, he does say something truly beautiful for Caylee, so I thought I'd throw it up here and take the chance to say thank you, again, to all the searchers.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18255174/detail.html

 

[Kentjbkent]

Hi LG, No, the defense gets to call ALL 4000+ searchers with the court approved script.

Thanks for providing the link again! (was searching back through thread but you are QUICKER!!)

After reading the order again, my understanding is that the defense had the ability to call ALL 4000 searchers if they wished, but that had to take place during this document review today, and in the presence and earshot of TES rep, SM, and TES counsel.

Baez, Mason, nor the local "Rent a Receptionist" cannot conduct these phone calls in the coming days from the Baez Law Firm....

 

[ynotdivein]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean you had to clarify what you were saying! I meant that even if somebody says they searched that exact area, I believe chances of them scientifically being within the exact two foot spot are slim.

I found this old video of the day Caylee was found (obviously not the day it was announced to be her), where the reporter interviews a gentleman who searched "that area" with TES as well as alone, several times he says, and while he doesn't bring up any aspect of standing water, he does say something truly beautiful for Caylee, so I thought I'd throw it up here and take the chance to say thank you, again, to all the searchers.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18255174/detail.html

Oh Gnat... Thank you for reposting this.

DT, witness: "It might be rainin' on us but... the sun's shining on Caylee right now. It's her day. Her mom's in jail not looking for her. Her grandparents... are out in California tryin to bring up some person they found at a McDonalds or whatnot, and here it is, this is the day, this is the day we've all been waiting for.... (He moves out of frame and can be heard saying, "Hey Tim, they found her")."

Thank you DT. Thank you searchers. Thank you TES and Tim Miller.

They may attempt to vilify your efforts, but your efforts WILL NOT have been in vain.

 

[Kentjbkent]

So did Baez forget to mention to Cheney Mason that Todd Macaluso already tried this approach and failed?

He too, claimed (and in open court!) that the defense had a new witness they could provide that would PROVE that Caylee's body was not placed until after October....

And couldn't produce!

Mason needs to go back to the case file and refamiliarize himself with the Tried But Failed Defense Strategy color chart....

 

[nums24]

Thanks for providing the link again! (was searching back through thread but you are QUICKER!!)

After reading the order again, my understanding is that the defense had the ability to call ALL 4000 searchers if they wished, but that had to take place during this document review today, and in the presence and earshot of TES rep, SM, and TES counsel.

Baez, Mason, nor the local "Rent a Receptionist" cannot conduct these phone calls in the coming days from the Baez Law Firm....

Yes, exactly, the calls/inspection are also scheduled for tomorrow:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54702866/09142010-Notice-of-Inspection---TES-Records (Thanks MuzikMan!)