Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[tedtink]

Good point. “Fillet forensics” could be sea or maybe be a throw’off?!

Tho risking East especially with them blue lighting from Lagos seems risky. Staying near the coastline avoids it. Boca do Rio - quiet, West & familiar, but they scanned in 2018/2019 I think.
Like you said about ground - challenging to dig. Unless close to familiar residence a burial unlikely if opportunistic - spade, shovel etc. Maybe a well, 1 well, 1 drain, 1 gun.

IMO if they’ve split material & firearm they may be gearing up for a separate firearm charge (chain of custody) or perhaps an indicator of incoming extradition & candour a sign of the start of a handover.



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Fillet = Removing bones from meat/fish
Fillet Forensics - Removing/Destroying forensics/evidence by submersion in water/sea?

 

[tedtink]

One thing I was dwelling on is that at that time of year the ground is going to be very solid and dry... I personally would discount him burying her unless he predug a grave... Fire would bring alot of attention would he really risk that knowing the sirens are pointing to alot of police attention... Water would be the quickest and easiest method of him disposing of a body.. so would it be a well .. the dam which is what I would lean too moo or the sea.
Just some thoughts I have on this case

Agreed, so that ( a pre-dug grave) would mean a planned abduction and murder imo.
If it wasn't planned what sort of itinerant, carries around a spade and/or pick-axe in their vehicle?
If MM was buried these tools would have been bought or borrowed or stolen imo. But from who or where?

 

[frank-cole]

Fillet = Removing bones from meat/fish
Fillet Forensics - Removing/Destroying forensics/evidence by submersion in water/sea?

It’s an interesting phase, “fillet forensics” said by no sane person ever.

He’s quite calculating imo it may be a ruse/game playing.

 

[johnlair]

Agreed, so that ( a pre-dug grave) would mean a planned abduction and murder imo.
If it wasn't planned what sort of itinerant, carries around a spade and/or pick-axe in their vehicle?
If MM was buried these tools would have been bought or borrowed or stolen imo. But from who or where?

His friends don't strike me as the gardening type.....apart from maybe cannabis

 

[frank-cole]

Agreed, so that ( a pre-dug grave) would mean a planned abduction and murder imo.
If it wasn't planned what sort of itinerant, carries around a spade and/or pick-axe in their vehicle?
If MM was buried these tools would have been bought or borrowed or stolen imo. But from who or where?

Yes I agree. IMO Premeditated/opportunistic would lead to different aftermath. Opportunistic & perhaps body put somewhere quickly in a shallow grave, well or tank. IMO If premeditated then 2 predetermined locations separate to each other.

I think it Certainly happened somewhere he was very familiar with. Transient would have known the region well, but imo the most familiar sites to him are most likely.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Fillet = Removing bones from meat/fish
Fillet Forensics - Removing/Destroying forensics/evidence by submersion in water/sea?

Exactly what I've thought initially.
Sea could be too risky. A well in Atalaia or surroudings would be a short drive from PdL. Although closer, perhaps less risky than Arade (longer drive increasing the chances to be stopped by police).

 

[Davieson]

With access to a small boat, disposal at sea would be ideal. A weighted body dropped overboard a couple of miles offshore would have little to no chance of being found.
A well has a higher risk of recovery.
IMO

 

[frank-cole]

His friends don't strike me as the gardening type.....apart from maybe cannabis

Just realised this convo was main thread not DMG!

 

[frank-cole]

Exactly what I've thought initially.
Sea could be too risky. A well in Atalaia or surroudings would be a short drive from PdL. Although closer, perhaps less risky than Arade (longer drive increasing the chances to be stopped by police).

IMO Atalaia not likely if premeditated. Too close.

Close journo in Luz adamant MM not there now but maybe intel that she may have been at some point. Unsure what they know.

If they requested a 3 x 3 day phased search, the gun (if linked to CB) may be the clue that green lights the area for search 2 - possibility early August.

 

[Hexe]

So let's discuss doubts too. If you'd like to put them forward I'm sure other posters would oblige. In the meantime .........

"Mr Wolters said:

Mr Wolters said a lot of things, but after five years they are still unable to put CB on trial, which even HCW admitted. That's why I have a lot of doubts about the real strength of that alleged evidence.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

With access to a small boat, disposal at sea would be ideal. A weighted body dropped overboard a couple of miles offshore would have little to no chance of being found.
A well has a higher risk of recovery.
IMO

Agree on a well for the risk of detection.
Many doubts if he had explored boat option. Seems perhaps too complex, "elaborated" for him to have tried it (also for any unwanted attention that it could called, but from the murder's perspective, less risky in terms of body detection, yes).

 

[onemoremiletogo]

IMO Atalaia not likely if premeditated. Too close.

Close journo in Luz adamant MM not there now but maybe intel that she may have been at some point. Unsure what they know.

If they requested a 3 x 3 day phased search, the gun (if linked to CB) may be the clue that green lights the area for search 2 - possibility early August.

I'm very inclined to have been premeditated, not opportunistic. How could he have adapted to a new context so quickly already inside 5A, with too much variables (also the checks...)?

I thought maybe Atalaia first (abandoned house as in his story) to avoid be caught by police if he went directly to Arade. Then Arade for disposal at late night.

But, if, as Codin shared, he waited police circus to come first and only run away later, maybe he went directly to Arade.
Re-registering process may suggest Jag was used somehow that night. Probably using Jag trunk.

 

[C.greek]

With access to a small boat, disposal at sea would be ideal. A weighted body dropped overboard a couple of miles offshore would have little to no chance of being found.
A well has a higher risk of recovery.
IMO

Did he have access to a boat ? Is there any mention of that? That would be interesting

 

[C.greek]

I'm very inclined to have been premeditated, not opportunistic. How could he have adapted to a new context so quickly already inside 5A, with too much variables (also the checks...)?

I thought maybe Atalaia first (abandoned house as in his story) to avoid be caught by police if he went directly to Arade. Then Arade for disposal.

But, if, as Codin shared, he waited police circus to come first and only run away later, maybe he went directly to Arade.
Re-registering process may suggest Jag was used somehow that night. Probably using Jag trunk (as in his story).

Did he mention the trunk in his story about the abduction?

 

[frank-cole]

With access to a small boat, disposal at sea would be ideal. A weighted body dropped overboard a couple of miles offshore would have little to no chance of being found.
A well has a higher risk of recovery.
IMO

If premeditated & he had a very fast route along the coast maybe more time spent disposing of body.

 

[C.greek]

Mr Wolters said a lot of things, but after five years they are still unable to put CB on trial, which even HCW admitted. That's why I have a lot of doubts about the real strength of that alleged evidence.

Because of double jeopardy, they only have one chance of charging him. If all evidence is circumstantial (as it appears to be) and even if it is strong, they wouldn't risk it. 5 years is nothing to the 12-13 years before. Cold case, drifter, very difficult now. If the PJ had first exhausted all avenues, perhaps it would have been easier and if the BKA did not make the initial mistake of alerting him and then the 'illegal' search at the box factory. For me the most important thing is that they have found no shred of evidence of his innocence. Jmo

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Did he mention the trunk in his story about the abduction?

I thought so, but in fact I was double-checking and I think he referred "van"...
In any case, Jag re-registering could suggest it was used somehow that night.

Van (if not nearby, walk to, in a easy exit): PdL-Atalaia, Jag: Atalaia-Arade or only Jag.

 

[Lilly b]

Fillet = Removing bones from meat/fish
Fillet Forensics - Removing/Destroying forensics/evidence by submersion in water/sea?

Something could be lost in translation.
A Fillet means say the best like fillet steak, so top quality.
To fillet something, would mean cut up, so would depend on context and translation

 

[C.greek]

I thought so, but in fact I was double-checking and I think he referred "van"...
In any case, Jag re-registering could suggest it was used somehow that night.

Van (if not nearby, walk to, in a easy exit): PdL-Atalaia, Jag: Atalaia-Arade or only Jag.

I think these stories could be him reliving the crime, adding more to it, and possibly fantasising what he could have done more (possibly MM did not last as long as he would have wanted and discussed in this chat). I think it is very important to look at those details. There are certainly truths hiding in there! I would be interested to know how the crimes in his horror stories end.

 

[Lilly b]

I'm very inclined to have been premeditated, not opportunistic. How could he have adapted to a new context so quickly already inside 5A, with too much variables (also the checks...)?

I thought maybe Atalaia first (abandoned house as in his story) to avoid be caught by police if he went directly to Arade. Then Arade for disposal at late night.

But, if, as Codin shared, he waited police circus to come first and only run away later, maybe he went directly to Arade.
Re-registering process may suggest Jag was used somehow that night. Probably using Jag trunk.

I suppose if someone really really wants to do something, no matter the consequences, they will
Just look at the current Bryan K case