Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

[marlywings]

I wonder why they mention Bellbowrie and Pullenvale?

Something to do with the triangulation from Allison's phone perhaps...

June 27, 2012

April 20, 2012 (the day Mrs Baden-Clay was reported missing)

10.14am: Triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone showed the handset was possibly in a four-kilometre radius to her home.

3pm: A second triangulation of Mrs Baden-Clay's phone returned the same result. A crime scene was declared at the Baden-Clay home and yard.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy

 

[linette]

Please add me as a member!

Me too :blushing: ... for some reason I see him as a perfect gentleman... very caring and honest.... ummm, and with a Kermit avatar. lol

 

[squizzey1]

TM used to live in Bellbowrie in a house bought through C21. The realty used to have a lot of acreage properties around Pullenvale and Bellbowrie on their books ... maybe one or more were used for intimate catch-ups? MOO.

what a naughty thought, goodness me. reckon he would have tried out many sleazey little man

 

[DrWatson]

Im sure that there would be plenty in the past threads about the blood found in the car and the fact that the defence team claim that this is impossible as there has been speculation that Allison had no injuries that caused bleeding, Im not sure if this has been covered off before so I apologise in advance if this is the case for the following. The photos that were shown in the news and in the QLD papers show the illuminole sprayed car and the fairly large area on the side above the wheel where this was, Cerebrospinal Fluid contains DNA, this is the clear/pale yellow fluid that can run out through your nose or mouth after a head injury. Unlike blood, it is not as obvious to the eye so therefor if someone was cleaning up afterwards they would assume it was just water or they make not even notice it at all.

I'm pretty sure that Luminol reacts with the iron in the haemoglobin of blood, and not DNA. It would only react to cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) if it contained blood as well. However, a CSF leak caused by severe head injury may contain blood, although the usual site for a CSF leak is when there is a base-of-skull fracture and the CSF usually emerges through the ear(s), although even that is rare. It can leak from the nose, but the most common cause of that is surgery - particularly surgery on the pituitary, performed via the nose and the sphenoidal sinus.

It can occasionally leak from the nose or mouth, but that would usually require an extremely severe head injury, of the type found in suicide jumpers or sudden deceleration injuries such as motor vehicle accidents. There has to be a breach of the base of the skull with direct communication into the back of the nasopharynx for that to happen. Yes, I've seen it - about twice in my entire career so far.

I'm not talking here about spontaneous CSF leaks, such as by tumour erosion, etc.

Sorry if that's a bit graphic...

 

[marlywings]

Another report DunnoZo....

April 26, 2012

THE fading mobile phone signal of missing Brisbane woman Allison Baden-Clay has been used to triangulate her last known location to an area spanning three suburbs, as police warned that time was running out to find the 43-year-old mother-of-three alive

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...urbs-of-brisbane/story-e6freoof-1226338302828

 

[minni]

Yes!! It was definately a girl....

https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandPolice/posts/291907457562388

her post was deleted but many peopple responded to her comment, so her name will still be there in the other comments. I

Also, My friend heard this story about who the witness is, through someone at the brookfield school where her daughter goes. Squiz actually heard it FACE TO FACE. so I dont know if Squiz and I have the same woman. I am waiting to hear more specifics from my friend first. I am trying to help strengthen Squizzeys fact that he has reported to us, but not yet able to verify my friends story. TRYING.

 

[minni]

Yep Minni, I like it, I like it a lot : )


I am so surprised that no one has mentioned Angels apparent spotting of the white van. There is a connection maybe? I don't want to go there again though.......

Whoa,....dont get me started again...I'll be writing novella's instead of posts, on bins, roundabouts, white vans and tattooed men before you know it haha

What is the possibility of NBC being the one granted immunity?

 

[BrisbaneGirl]

You make some very good points there. Surely they would be keeping a very close eye on the family.
If the senior BC's have alot of money offshore though, it doesn't mean GBC could have access to it.. then again the parents may have had no idea exactly how much financial trouble he was in. They would have known some, but maybe not all. Plus, he could have kept some of his grubby, dodgy deals quite.
Then again... maybe this offshore money {if there is any} is what will ultimately pay for his legal fees.
Rant over... again, good points made by you.

If he does have offshore money and intends to use it for his defense, then it will be very hard for him to get it "on shore" so he can access it. Im not sure if his legal team will accept payment by way IOU's, Rhodesian Time share or a bunch of shares on the Zimbabwe stock exchange. Then again.....:fence:

 

[marlywings]

Map of the hot zone area....

 

[linette]

Whoa,....dont get me started again...I'll be writing novella's instead of posts, on bins, roundabouts, white vans and tattooed men before you know it haha

What is the possibility of NBC being the one granted immunity?

It would really irritate me if he was given immunity. Aren't they still saying he's not talking?

 

[Gemini Girl]

Morning All

OT but interesting in its procedural implications for this case (possibly). A witness in the Daniel Morecombe case has been charged with perjury and faces a possible life term.

Sorry folks I am hopeless, would attach a link if I could work out how to bring it up on my screen (my sons would be rolling their eyes)

This morning's Courier Mail

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-faces-life-term/story-e6freon6-1226427528825

Did that work?

JMO MOO

 

[Maigret]

It would really irritate me if he was given immunity. Aren't they still saying he's not talking?

why would they be spending money on his defence if one of them has 'talked' and been offered immunity

 

[Nads]

Yes it would be! But it would be equally awful finding out years later that your mother assisted in the disposal of their murdered aunt and cousins mother. It would give you reason to question everything she makes out she stands for.

JIMO

If others assisted in tidying up, and they were not part of planning, why the heck would they assist the SOB with lawyer fees, visiting him etc?

Actually, my head just answered my question. They would be afraid of GBC telling the whole story and then their assistance could be verified and become common knowledge.

 

[BrisbaneGirl]

I'm pretty sure that Luminol reacts with the iron in the haemoglobin of blood, and not DNA. It would only react to cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) if it contained blood as well. However, a CSF leak caused by severe head injury may contain blood, although the usual site for a CSF leak is when there is a base-of-skull fracture and the CSF usually emerges through the ear(s), although even that is rare. It can leak from the nose, but the most common cause of that is surgery - particularly surgery on the pituitary, performed via the nose and the sphenoidal sinus.

It can occasionally leak from the nose or mouth, but that would usually require an extremely severe head injury, of the type found in suicide jumpers or sudden deceleration injuries such as motor vehicle accidents. There has to be a breach of the base of the skull with direct communication into the back of the nasopharynx for that to happen. Yes, I've seen it - about twice in my entire career so far.



I'm not talking here about spontaneous CSF leaks, such as by tumour erosion, etc.

Sorry if that's a bit graphic...

YOU are right that Luminol does not react with DNA which is why I posted an additional explanation pretty much straight away, it reacts wiht the protein found in hemoglobin, this can be verefied online by a quick search. It happend to me once in a basketball game and I was only slightly concussed but I did have the back of my head slammed against the basketball pole (accidently) during the game, I was taken to the hospital and it was verified that was what happened. Seeing Allison died, there is a very good chance she suffered an extreme head injury, we wont find out until the court case, but Im sure everybodies body reacts in different ways and there are many specialists and Doctors who all disagree on different things, there is no exact science to why some people experience things that others dont. All I can say is that, the only reason I even know about this subject is because it happened to me once and I had no idea what it was until a doctor at the hospital explained it to me

 

[linette]

why would they be spending money on his defence if one of them has 'talked' and been offered immunity

Yes, there'd be no point. I don't think NBC would be the one talking. If there is any immunity being given {and we don't even know that} I'd hope it's only to someone who knows what happened, not someone who was involved in ANY way.

 

[linette]

We're all coming up with scenarios based on how we think GBC might 'think'. I'm just thankful that none of us actually do 'think' like he does. That's probably the reason things don't make sense to us, when in reality they could still have happened. IMO

 

[minni]

Im sure that there would be plenty in the past threads about the blood found in the car and the fact that the defence team claim that this is impossible as there has been speculation that Allison had no injuries that caused bleeding, Im not sure if this has been covered off before so I apologise in advance if this is the case for the following. The photos that were shown in the news and in the QLD papers show the illuminole sprayed car and the fairly large area on the side above the wheel where this was, Cerebrospinal Fluid contains DNA, this is the clear/pale yellow fluid that can run out through your nose or mouth after a head injury. Unlike blood, it is not as obvious to the eye so therefor if someone was cleaning up afterwards they would assume it was just water or they make not even notice it at all. I am also surprised that despite the fact that it has been reported widely that there has been a face call between GBC and the father, that the father has not been taken into the station and had some minor charge against him enough to force him to make an official statement so that there is limited chance for any possibility of getting stories the same etc. I thought that that there would be a number of charges relevant to perverting the course of justice OR hampering an investigation OR misleading the police etc. My opinion is that maybe they are leaving it be because they have him under intense surveilance and figure that it will be very hard for them to access any money offshore (if there is any) while under the microscope but that itself comes back to the niggling feeling that if there was all nthis money off shore, then that would put a dampener on the police case against GBC seeing they are saying he killed for money? A million dollars is not such a sizeable amount these days that you would risk going to jail for life as well as ruining your childrens/families life. We can never underestimate any possibility of female involvement either, anyone who can overlook this should read about Myra Hindley.

:goodpost: I watched Myra Hindley and Ian Bradley yesterday....evil

 

[minni]

seeing a relative of the missing woman at the bus stop might at first seem small, inconsequential..but the more you thought about it the odder it would seem. and if you were telling your friend etc, you might think it was barely worth a mention. At first.

so I think him being there would be a PERFECT example of 'small, but odd'

 

[squizzey1]

Morning All

OT but interesting in its procedural implications for this case (possibly). A witness in the Daniel Morecombe case has been charged with perjury and faces a possible life term.

Sorry folks I am hopeless, would attach a link if I could work out how to bring it up on my screen (my sons would be rolling their eyes)

This morning's Courier Mail

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-faces-life-term/story-e6freon6-1226427528825

Did that wor

JMO MOO

yes it worked clever girl

 

[BrisbaneGirl]

It wasnt until recently that I realised that most cases like this the PERP usually confesses after being blindsided by the detectives, they plant enough fear and are convincing in this tactic making the PERP fear that if he co-operates his sentence will be reduced. What worries me is that, he lawyered up on the day she sent missing and had a QC the day she was found, his legal team would have given him the upper hand on what to expect and told him to say nothing. Its not up to him to prove he didnt do it, its up to the police to prove he DID! There have been many high profile cases over the years with far more evidence pointing to the perp ( OJ for one) who then got off. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, phone calls, internet searching etc, and I hope to god justice is done, but I really worry about how much evidence was washed away with her body in a creek during bad weather for so long and so far, no hard evidence( that we know of) Imagine if one of the posters on this sight was accused of such a crime and the police seized their computers and found web site searches about all the stuff covered here, and someone had a bad nose bleed in their car getting groceries out as well as had been having an affair ( apparantly one in 3 men cheat on their wives, I suspect this to be higher over a lifetime) topped of by one of the neighbours hearing an argument and the inlaws dont like the partner and partner goes driving around to look for said partner making calls and then didnt tell police for fear of being incriminated or because felt to blame they walked out and was distressed and blah blah. This stuff happens everyday (minus the murder) in every neighbourhood.I once heard about a case of a man getting aquited because the traces of blood that were eventually found splattered all over the bed through forensic testing had no impact as the wife had also given birth on the bed! People have been framing people for centuries and while I personally dont believe anyone has been framed here, I wouldnt be able to prove it, and the defense will have the right to speculate on every possible humanly conceivable notion of what could of happened. Husbands and wives have been yelling, belting, cheating and disliking family members since the day we were put on earth, sad but true, doesnt prove someone is a killer. Just my thoughts on this due to my fear that justice will not be served.