Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

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Sorry DunnoZo I have to disagree- I think he would hang his kids out to dry if he had too save his a_se. Don't think there is any backbone in that creature- totally spineless. He is without a doubt someone who revels in in any sort of spotlight. He loves his public speaking but OMG how boring are his speeches- certainly not something we can get motivated about. And if his kids were over the top successful at sport or school or dance or some other hobby you bet your bottom dollar he would be in there working out how to gain some money out of it. I think in the ocean world they call them scum pluckers if you catch my drift-


I tend to agree. If he was covering for someone or protecting someone, I dont think it is out of bravery, or love.

I think the only reason he would cover for someone, is out of fear. I know most might assume only his father could invoke a fear that deep, but IMO thats not true at all. I think (again, depending on family dynamics) that his mother or his sister could do this just as easily.

In fact a dysfunctional relationship with his mother or his sister, might seriously impede his ability to have a normal relationship with a woman in his adult life


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Yes but look at point "B"...Kholo Bridge...taken no exits off Mt Crosby Road either.

True. But it also states "where the body was found." Yeah I know, I'm grasping at straws but IMO I totally believe that Allison was dumped at Little Ugly Creek.

MOO.
 
I'm not clear as to whether that is an official police map, or a newspaper map?

If the latter, there could be all sorts of assumptions in it.

If it's a police map, then WHAT the heck are they concentrating on the Kenmore roundabout for?

That route on the map is certainly the one I would go, and probably 99% of Brookfield locals would also go that way. The whole Kenmore roundabout thing remains a mystery....

This is what the report states Doc....I doubt it would be the actual map which police have.

The police files included a map, similar to this one, outlining the route from Brookfield,where police believe Allison Baden-Clay was killed, to a bridge over Kholo Creek, where her body was found

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz20lgW1R5m
 
But the report states...to a bridge over Kholo Creek

Marly, sorry, you are undisputably the fact champion.

Does this mean that Allison was taken and placed at Kholo Bridge?? there is no other possible spot, if this report is direct and accurate from QPS, with no typos and no poorly chosen statement

NO IT DOESNT :(
but Marly is stlll a legend
 
I don't think this map or article gives any indication that the roundabout wasn't relevant in this case. There are many reasons why that roundabout may have been used outside of the trip to dump Allison's body. The trip outlined on the map could be one of multiple trips made by GBC and/or others involved in Allison's murder on that night/early morning.
 
I'm not clear as to whether that is an official police map, or a newspaper map?

If the latter, there could be all sorts of assumptions in it.

If it's a police map, then WHAT the heck are they concentrating on the Kenmore roundabout for?

That route on the map is certainly the one I would go, and probably 99% of Brookfield locals would also go that way. The whole Kenmore roundabout thing remains a mystery....

It's a screen capture of a google map I assume has been modified to appear similar to the police map. The google route says to go west on Brookfield vs down Boscombe, which is the first dot signifying where they altered the google route.

The second place the duplicate map has been altered looks to be at the roundabout with winrock st coming off it. It's not different enough zoomed out for me to see how it is altered from the google route. It's not far off.

I've added the route to the map i am keeping at tinyurl.com/allisonbadenclaymap

WOuld love to see the police map!
 
Ok, unfortunately, having read that again, it doesnt mean anything..

It states

Allison was killed - Brookfield

Allison was found - Bridge over Kholo Creek
 
Ok, unfortunately, having read that again, it doesnt mean anything..

It states

Allison was killed - Brookfield

Allison was found - Bridge over Kholo Creek
 
November until October but they are fully grown by May.



Nothing against you personally Karo, but I always laugh when I read the reference to the caterpillar season - 'November until October'. That's like saying they are seasonal, but the season lasts 12 months :)
 
but it may be insinuated that she went nowhere in between, just from Brookfield to Kholo Bridge, and no Little Ugly. But it still doesnt prove anything
 
It's a screen capture of a google map I assume has been modified to appear similar to the police map. The google route says to go west on Brookfield vs down Boscombe, which is the first dot signifying where they altered the google route.

The second place the duplicate map has been altered looks to be at the roundabout with winrock st coming off it. It's not different enough zoomed out for me to see how it is altered from the google route. It's not far off.

I've added the route to the map i am keeping at tinyurl.com/allisonbadenclaymap

WOuld love to see the police map!

I think we'd ALL love to see the police map...thing is they have a map so they must have "reasons" to deduce which route was taken....witnesses I'm thinking.
 
If it's a police map, then WHAT the heck are they concentrating on the Kenmore roundabout for?

That route on the map is certainly the one I would go, and probably 99% of Brookfield locals would also go that way. The whole Kenmore roundabout thing remains a mystery....[/QUOTE]

The police files included a map, similar to this one, outlining the route from Brookfield where police believe Allison Baden-Clay was killed, to a bridge over Kholo Creek, where her body was found


DW, it states that the map is similar to a map in the police files but not the map.
 
I agree we need more facts but disagree with your interpretation of what real sleuthing is about. When detectives are 'sleuthing' they are gathering information in the process of obtaining facts. Some facts are ascertained quickly, but others have to be determined by a process of investigation. Some of that investigating is done on rumours or hearsay. They speculate on how plausible the rumour or hearsay might be, and begin to investigate, to attempt to verify what theyve been told. So on their whiteboard in the incident room they put up everything that is proven fact, and then they see where the gaps are, and where they have information that has to be checked out. Of, course, unlike us, there are staff or other police officers to do the checking. Gradually the put the pieces of their case together.

So I think we are doing real sleuthing just like the detectives - except we have some critical elements holding us back. We don't have the time or the authority to do all the checking required, essentially we are the dead end at which information stops. However on occasions there are a few things we can lawfully do, such as examine the area around the Kholo Bridge,

I think there is some good sleuthing happening here, and i dont see anything wrong with speculating on what might have happened, or why one, at this stage, wouldnt want to - isn't that the point of being here? It's not as if we are going to arrest or sentence anyone based on the information so why not give our theories a go and speculate about what might have happened, and which rumours are more credible than others? Isn't that the point?

I agree with this view as if we do not feel able to speculate and theorise what is the point of being here? The ideas and collective intelligence of the sleuthers allow us to discuss how the known facts could be connected and what credible theories may fill the gaps. Many of the ideas and theories since the first thread have been demonstrated as credible now that some information is known from the bail hearing. I do not find it inspirational and creative to be limited by the known facts. I am an experienced health professional (happy to be verified), daughter, wife and mother of reasonable intelligence and I enjoy the freedom this site offers to assist justice for Allison and a sense of an extended caring community for her family.

I miss the informative and enabling posts of Hawkins and other experts that we have not seen for some time.
 
DW, it states that the map is similar to a map in the police files but not the map.

The way I'm seeing it is...the journo probably did get a looky at the original police map & has copied the route onto her own map.

The Kenmore roundabout could have been used on the return trip to drop the daddy off??
 
Don't be too hard on TM, she may turn out to be a quasi-heroine in this crime. We had a highly publicized case in California called the Lacy Peterson case. This case reminds me of it often. The husband-perp had a mistress named Amber Frey and she became the star witness. Amber secured the husband's spot on death row.

Actually that is EXACTLY what I think is likely to happen BUT I do NOT think she is any heroine. She's a viper. But if it she who helps get a conviction, and GBC does seem likely culprit at the moment then that is something positive that has come from a tragic situation. If she has knowledge and remains non-compliant then I would Hope they chuck the book at her also:)
 
Im of the opinion that it is a map showing people the distance between where police believe she died, to where she was found. nothing more. MOO
 
The way I'm seeing it is...the journo probably did get a looky at the original police map & has copied the route onto her own map.

The Kenmore roundabout could have been used on the return trip to drop the daddy off??

Thanks Marly. I don't know what happened there but that quote is not my quote. That's DoctorWatson's quote that I was quoting. WS went squew-iff as I posted my message so that may have something to do with it. :waitasec:

I'm so confused. :floorlaugh:
 
First time posting on this case but have been hooked on reading through all your sleuthing from the beginning.

The one thing that really bothers me about this case is the absolute lack of evidence save for the circumstantial. I am as certain as one can be with said circumstantial evidence that it was GBC, but will the jury be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this man is guilty of murder? History has provided many examples of cases that have not quite hit the benchmark (OJ Simpson, the Caylee Anthony case in the US) for a murder conviction and I know that if I was on a jury with the information there is about this case (thus far) I don't know if I could convict this man completely beyond reasonable doubt of his guilt. For example, the fact that her body was found with only a chipped tooth? That there remains no evidence of GBC's movement around where the body was found? It's very puzzling, and strange that what seemed like a very heat of the moment killing has left so little in its wake.

Apologies if I have missed anything that discredits what I said – I have been reading as diligently as possible but am sure to have missed a few things!
 
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