Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #43

[DrWatson]

Dr Watson, "left inner chest wall" could the hemorrhage there be from resuscitation attempts?

Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. To get bruising like that from resuscitation, you'd normally find some rib fractures to go with it - and there were none. And it would not have been as subtle as was found either - CPR bruising is usually pretty florid.

Also its position - it was to the left of the sternum, on the anterior (i.e. front) chest wall. CPR if done forcefully enough to cause bruising like that, would have been on both sides of the sternum, as the sternum gets depressed with each "pump" - that's how it works.

 

[whitechapel]

19th April (evening)
5 x calls (all less than 20secs) from OFFICE to GBC in 5 minutes period between 5.01pm and 5.06pm
Someone in the office was keen to contact GBC at this time.

2 x calls from GBC to KR mobile (0430 413 877) at 5.10pm (the other person going to conference with Allison the next day)
No more calls from GBC’s phone until he called Allison’s phone the next morning at 6.32pm which diverted to voicemail.
QUESTION: Does anybody else think this is a little strange for a man with a phone glued to his ear?

In one minute (8.22~8.23pm) GBC sent 14 txt messages !
• 0412554274 x 2 (JM- female real estate agent)
• 0439707222 x 2 (unknown)
• 0401149013 x 2 (Allison)
• 0400888300 x 2 (unknown but someone linked to GBC (MNET SUFFIX is call plan group I think)
• 0430 413 877 x 2 (KR - person Allison was going to conference with)
• 0400466100 x 2 (NBC)
• 0430844963 x 2 (unknown)
Last txt sent by GBC was 8.23pm on 19th

NO TXT sent by GBC on the morning of the 20th until 11.17am

QUESTION: Where are the ‘good morning Allison’ txt messages????
QUESTION: Were these sent by imessage (iphone to iphone) instead of sms?
QUESTION: If so, why these imessages and not the ones at 8.22pm the previous night?

Allison’s last call was to OW at 8.28pm

 

[DrWatson]

My brain is now completely frazzled after checking and cross checking all those phone records. A couple of possible irregularities have cropped up and I wonder if anyone else has noticed them too.

1. On the 18th April GBC uses the "Good Wife" alibi to explain the incriminating google searched on his phone. He claims this was done at 10:08pm.

2. On the 18th, GBC's phone records show that he phoned NBC at 8:48pm and spoke for 4min 32 sec, and a call to Canada at 9:53pm followed by two txt mesages to Canada at 9:58pm

3. Also on the 18th Nigelaines home internet was accessed at 10:39pm

While none of this conclusively blows his alibi, it leaves 31 minutes for Nigelaine to ask the "taking the fifth question", GBC to access it on his phone, explain the answer, say goodbye and wave them off, for Nigelaine to then drive home, get inside and log onto the internet.

Can any locals tell me how long it takes to drive from GBC's to NBC's house?

Hi Actus Couple of quick points:

- we're all assuming he watched the "Good Wife" show at his house - which may or may not be the case.

- to drive from his place to Nigelaine's place would be 4 or 5 minutes, max, at that time of night.

- anyone could have accessed the Internet on that computer, including OW.

But all good points - good thinking there

 

[whitechapel]

Search of GBC's home.
Paragraph 62 from Police Officer Kellie Thomson
"... I located a pair of ASICs size 10 1/2 shoes covered in mud, ..."

Looking forward to the analysis of these (and the contents of the note written by one of the daughters confiscated by police)

 

[BJsleuth]

Thanks Dr Watson!

One thing that occurred to me when reading GBC's statement to police is that he offers the girl's (Office manager?) age "She's 23!". Why? Superfluous information, totally irrelevant to Allison being missing at the time. It's really odd.

 

[Aberline_1979]

Let me transcribe paragraphs 35-37 of Toni McHugh's first statement, as I find they are particularly interesting. To me, they provide a clear reason as to why GBC (IMO) murdered Allison when he did, as opposed to when he may have been planning to (sometime later but before July 1 2012).

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35. I then became very upset after hearing this [Allison would be attending the same real estate conference tomorrow morning] and I basically told Gerard that I felt sick. Gerard told me that he was sorry. I then asked him if Allison knew that I was attending the conference to which he replied no.

36. I then questioned Gerard if Allison was going to remain working within his business once he had separated from her and continued his relationship with me. He stated that he was likely to be selling the business. I questioned Gerard as to whether Allison was aware of this to which he replied she did not know.

37. I suggested that Gerard should tell Allison that I was attending the conference. I then asked to meet with Gerard in an attempt to understand and discuss what was going through his head in regards to our relationship. Gerard did not respond to this. I then heard Gerard's daughter speaking to him and which point I told him I would call him the next day.
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Here it Toni McHugh, asking GBC some very tough questions, to which he seems to have no decent response:

- why didn't you tell me Allison would also be attending tomorrow?
- does Allison know I will be there?
- is Allison going to continue to work for you once you leave her and move in with me? (note GBC's bizarre response: he intends to sell the business)
- is Allison aware of your plan to see the business? (GBC says he does not know)
- when can I meet up with you to discuss our relationship? (a classic "we need to talk..." question).


I can only imagine how GBC felt after THAT phone call. Much like a man who now realises he could lose both his wife AND his mistress, I imagine. That certainly would have given him a degree of impetus to act sooner rather than later. And if Allison checked his phone later that night and discovered the record of the call from TM's mobile/landline number....oh dear! There would have been a lot of shouting indeed!

 

[CaseClosed]

19th April (evening)
5 x calls (all less than 20secs) from OFFICE to GBC in 5 minutes period between 5.01pm and 5.06pm
Someone in the office was keen to contact GBC at this time.

2 x calls from GBC to KR mobile (0430 413 877) at 5.10pm (the other person going to conference with Allison the next day)
No more calls from GBC’s phone until he called Allison’s phone the next morning at 6.32pm which diverted to voicemail.
QUESTION: Does anybody else think this is a little strange for a man with a phone glued to his ear?

In one minute (8.22~8.23pm) GBC sent 14 txt messages !
• 0412554274 x 2 (JM- female real estate agent)
• 0439707222 x 2 (unknown)
• 0401149013 x 2 (Allison)
• 0400888300 x 2 (unknown but someone linked to GBC (MNET SUFFIX is call plan group I think)
• 0430 413 877 x 2 (KR - person Allison was going to conference with)
• 0400466100 x 2 (NBC)
• 0430844963 x 2 (unknown)
Last txt sent by GBC was 8.23pm on 19th

NO TXT sent by GBC on the morning of the 20th until 11.17am

QUESTION: Where are the ‘good morning Allison’ txt messages????
QUESTION: Were these sent by imessage (iphone to iphone) instead of sms?
QUESTION: If so, why these imessages and not the ones at 8.22pm the previous night?

Allison’s last call was to OW at 8.28pm

Great analysis, thank you. He could have sent a group text to some of those people (office matters?). Also, because both GBC and ABC had iPhones, they probably used iMessage instead of normal txt (but sometimes the iMessage doesn't work and the message is sent as a normal txt).

 

[CaseClosed]

Search of GBC's home.
Paragraph 62 from Police Officer Kellie Thomson
"... I located a pair of ASICs size 10 1/2 shoes covered in mud, ..."

Looking forward to the analysis of these (and the contents of the note written by one of the daughters confiscated by police)

Yes, in particular the note from one of the girls!

 

[BJsleuth]

Has anyone seen that episode of "The Good Wife" according to the TV guide it was Series 3 Episode 14. May have to find it to see if it actually references "Taking the fifth".

 

[DrWatson]

QUESTION: Where are the ‘good morning Allison’ txt messages????
QUESTION: Were these sent by imessage (iphone to iphone) instead of sms?
QUESTION: If so, why these imessages and not the ones at 8.22pm the previous night?

iMessages occur between two iDevices - usually iPhone to iPhone (or iPad). If one or the other party does NOT have an iDevice, then the text is sent using standard SMS via the phone company.

iMessages go through Apple servers and not through the phone system. If at home, say, with his home WiFi, his phone would have connected with that rather than to the Internet via 3G. So iMessages would not have shown up as either a standard SMS text or as a connection to the Internet.

 

[CaseClosed]

Who also has an alias email account just cause??

I don't think TM is very smart. If the guy I'm with tells me that he has this other old email account under a fake name, alarm bells would be ringing!

 

[whitechapel]

#32
I am aware he has a sleeping apparatus that is used to help his snoring/breathing.
I hope there is a sleep therapy log file as part of the evidence.

#73
"As a family they use field signals. Field signals are sign gestures that Gerard uses with his children. Gerard told me that he touches the girls on the leg and that means an adult is talking and they were not to interrupt."

Good insight into his character, no doubt part of the BWANA training to be a Bayden-Clay.

MOO/IMO

 

[BJsleuth]

19th April (evening)
5 x calls (all less than 20secs) from OFFICE to GBC in 5 minutes period between 5.01pm and 5.06pm
Someone in the office was keen to contact GBC at this time.

2 x calls from GBC to KR mobile (0430 413 877) at 5.10pm (the other person going to conference with Allison the next day)
No more calls from GBC’s phone until he called Allison’s phone the next morning at 6.32pm which diverted to voicemail.
QUESTION: Does anybody else think this is a little strange for a man with a phone glued to his ear?

In one minute (8.22~8.23pm) GBC sent 14 txt messages !
• 0412554274 x 2 (JM- female real estate agent)
• 0439707222 x 2 (unknown)
• 0401149013 x 2 (Allison)
• 0400888300 x 2 (unknown but someone linked to GBC (MNET SUFFIX is call plan group I think)
• 0430 413 877 x 2 (KR - person Allison was going to conference with)
• 0400466100 x 2 (NBC)
• 0430844963 x 2 (unknown)
Last txt sent by GBC was 8.23pm on 19th

NO TXT sent by GBC on the morning of the 20th until 11.17am

QUESTION: Where are the ‘good morning Allison’ txt messages????
QUESTION: Were these sent by imessage (iphone to iphone) instead of sms?
QUESTION: If so, why these imessages and not the ones at 8.22pm the previous night?

Allison’s last call was to OW at 8.28pm

If you read 58 on Neil Robertson's report, it shows one text message but the 'find my phone app' was not used until 10.49am. GBC didn't use it when he said he did.

 

[Curiousasacat]

I haven't caught up reading yet but I did want to note something while I remembered.

I saw a post above about calls made from the office.
In the first few days on the QPS FB page there was a man who commented that Allison had been in the office with a lady that afternoon. So in my opinion Allison had worked in the office that day.

Also, I found Allison's phone records interesting, she certainly drove around a lot.

Thank you so much to whoever purchased the reports. I was hoping to have a break from here before Monday but it doesn't look like it's possible now : )

 

[Curiousasacat]

Also at 830pm on the Thursday night, two hours after she left the hairdressers, I do not believe Allison was "delightful" My opinion is that by 830pm there had already been an argument with her and G. I would love to know what was really said to Olivia on that phone call.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Me again. LOL. Yep, I believe the jumper is significant and I agree that perps who know the victim will often cover their faces. Allison's jumper may have ridden up when she was dragged from the car. Her hands may already have been entangled to stop her from scratching GBC any further. Or it may have been used as a ligature, as was mentioned in the report.

MOO.

I have thought about this for a long time.
When we were all posting a long time ago about the pics of Allison under the bridge there was talk of it looking like her face was white. I posted something about the fact I believed yes her face did look white and Hawkins "thanked" the post. He didn't thank many posts so in my opinion I believe there is more to this white jumper.

To avoid any more of my ramblings I will log out now.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Removed due to not making sense lol.

 

[Trooper]

I don't think TM is very smart. If the guy I'm with tells me that he has this other old email account under a fake name, alarm bells would be ringing!

and if he called himself Bruce, out of all the names in the world, he chose this one, I'd be a bit wary...

but at least Tone and Ger moved on from that, and called each other GG and GM .. for gorgeous man and gorgeous girl.

*scuse me, my dog just sicked up * . :what:

 

[Champagne4lulu]

Also at 830pm on the Thursday night, two hours after she left the hairdressers, I do not believe Allison was "delightful" My opinion is that by 830pm there had already been an argument with her and G. I would love to know what was really said to Olivia on that phone call.

Maybe this is too early but could it have been gbc calling ow after the event? Seems too early for my thinking based on the timing of the other screams. If it was a bit later, THAT would be damning. So the question for me remains, who helped him and how did he contact them? If he just rocked up, surely there would be someone who noticed a car or talking?

And one more thing, did the police seize the contents of the vacuum? If so what was the result?

 

[Sleuthis-maximus]

Are the signals thing a normal modern parenting technique? Sorry no kids here, but I find that very strange?