Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #44

[wewillgetyou]

I can see what you are saying but I think to have made such trite comments "as she has fallen down a hole" to young children regarding their mother WHEN you (in this case GBC) have notified police of that their mother is missing is horrid. All I can imagine doing is giving them hugs and reassuring them that Mum is alright and in that case sending them off to school as on any normal day. What I would have then done is tired ringing Allison a few more times and gone for a drive around and then traveled to work. If I had had no contact by say 10am I would have gone back home and rung the police. If there had been a big argument the night before you could have thought that Allison had gone for a walk and was dealing returning home until GBC had left so the situation wouldn't escalate again. The more I think about it, the more his action on the morning of April 20 point to someone who knows that the person in question isn't going to turn up

THANKYOU by 1000 times !

This is exactly what I am trying to say !!! :great:

 

[Portsmouth71]

Interesting to note the mobile numbers of gbc, ebc and nbc

 

[Hbayne]

Those little girls must have spent the day at school terrified and unsure, they saw the police turn up, frightening as hell for them I would think, and if god forbid they had heard or witnessed anything the night before it would make it even more frightening for them.

 

[whatif?]

I have just watched the interview with OW outside the Kenmore house yesterday and it is an edited version. However the commentator says that OW claims the prosecution was selective in the evidence they presented, I presume she means at the committal. We don't hear her say this but if she did in the full version, then that to me indicates she has no understanding of the process at the committal. It was not the prosecution who were selective, it was the defence as the only witnesses cross examined were those selected by the defence. The prosecution really just introduced them, asked a few questions but the reason why they were on the stand was for the defence to cross examine.

As I said, if she did say this then perhaps she has been kept out the loop with the defence lawyers and/or can't grasp the committal process. Does anyone who saw her trying to communicate with her brother, get the impression that the defence were annoyed with her at all. I did get this impression from one comment from someone who was there but it may have just been one occasion, something to do with her pulling up a chair and sitting near the defence?

BBM
Alioop I think it was me. I saw OW move a chair from near the witness box to the defence and sit down, defence where still setting up at the time and she was there only about 30 seconds maybe, when she was spoken to by Mahony, she then immediately moved the chair back next to the witness box and sat down again before leaving after a few minutes. It was a very brief exchange of words between them, I wouldn't say he looked annoyed though.
I also saw her speak to GBC through the glass at times but wasn't there the day she was told not to do it, so can't say how that came about.

 

[Liadan]

Those little girls must have spent the day at school terrified and unsure, they saw the police turn up, frightening as hell for them I would think, and if god forbid they had heard or witnessed anything the night before it would make it even more frightening for them.

From the phone records I don't think the girls spent very much time at school that day - thankfully. I think I read in the police interview that OW had gone to pick them around 10 after GBC called the school (his phone records.)

 

[Ms Annie]

Yes even after reading the statements there are still some pieces that don't fit together. TMcH said she was speaking to GBC about 5.30 on the 19th of April, while he was dropping the girls dinner (sausages) to EBC. So did he stay for dinner as well and then take them home, or did they stay the night with BC Snrs, was that the reason for ABC last phone call to Olivia, how are the girls etc, or are you bringing them home now? Where the BC's or Olivia at the Brookfield house around 8.30pm on the 19th?

How do we know it was Allison who made the call?

 

[spratsmum]

How do we know it was Allison who made the call?

The last call on Allison's phone at around 8.30pm on the Thursday night is to Olivia's number and the police in the court documents have written "Olivia" beside the record.

See what you mean now - yes it could have been GBC on her phone

 

[Hbayne]

From the phone records I don't think the girls spent very much time at school that day - thankfully. I think I read in the police interview that OW had gone to pick them around 10 after GBC called the school (his phone records.)

That's good to know- thanks

 

[BJsleuth]

How do we know it was Allison who made the call?

We assume it was because the time the screams were heard was later, but we don't really know for sure.

 

[BJsleuth]

From the phone records I don't think the girls spent very much time at school that day - thankfully. I think I read in the police interview that OW had gone to pick them around 10 after GBC called the school (his phone records.)

Which gives the appearance that they were keen to get the girls away from police that morning. O whisked them away as the police arrived.

 

[wewillgetyou]

Which gives the appearance that they were keen to get the girls away from police that morning. O whisked them away as the police arrived.

Very good point !

 

[spratsmum]

Which gives the appearance that they were keen to get the girls away from police that morning. O whisked them away as the police arrived.

Yes looks that way does'nt it. I thought that last week when I read that the police had to move their car so Olivia could get her car out to take them to school, I wondered why she didn't just walk them up the hill or take another car, particularly when she returned to the Brookfield house. I did hope though that she spoke to the teachers and told them what was happening before she left the girls. It would be interesting to know what was said to the teachers.

The more I think about this, the more I am intrigued by Olivia's part in the events of April19/20.

 

[frustrated detective]

That's what I think as well re the joggers TGY...that she's kicked his chest. Her foot sliding up into a kick position to kick him off.

She was wearing white joggers as noted in affidavit report.

I wonder if the grooves in the joggers were ever tested?

Perhaps GBC's DNA could possibly be present if this were the case.

 

[spratsmum]

does anyone know who owns the mobile phone that ends in 877. The number was called twice by GBC 5.10 an 5.11 on the 19th and and at 7.09 am on the 20th and then isn't called again until late in the afternoon of the twentieth.

Did GBC drive the girls down to Allisons parents on Friday 20 April? lots of mobile calls travelling up from the Gold Coast that afternoon

 

[Portsmouth71]

does anyone know who owns the mobile phone that ends in 877. The number was called twice by GBC 5.10 an 5.11 on the 19th and and at 7.09 am on the 20th and then isn't called again until late in the afternoon of the twentieth.

Did GBC drive the girls down to Allisons parents on Friday 20 April? lots of mobile calls travelling up from the Gold Coast that afternoon

Why not try dialing it??????

 

[Trooper]

When Constables Ash and Hammond turn up in reponse to Gerards call that morning, Gerard is adamant, and rather quickly to tell Ash that.. he has had a bit of trouble in his marriage, an affair, but he doesnt want his sister or father to know about it..

ok.. so he is talking about the resumption of the stuff with Toni to Ash. .. he is saying , I presume, that Olivia and Nige know nothing about this.

In Gerards record of interview at the house that morning , 45 minutes later.. with Sgts Curtis and Jackson. he makes a big hoo hah about Olivia and Nigel leaving the room, he has something to discuss with the two Sgts in private, doesnt want the family members to hear.. because they dont know about it..

but then, .. he states that the affair ended, last year, it ended, he says.. he is in marriage counselling, things are jogging along ok... ... so here, he is talking about the time before .. no mention of the resumption of it in Dec.. according to Gerard, things have been pretty good, a few challenges, but overall.. both comfy with the counsellor, etc... meanwhile Nige and Olivia are outside the door, as he doesnt want them to hear about this, because they dont know about it. Gerard was firm about this, to 2 lots of policepeople. Nige and Olivia dont know about it.

Gerard was very clear that it had ended last year.. ( he suddenly doesnt want to talk about its continuance.. he wants to make out that Allison and he are working thru a past error. not a current one, Affair REcycle 2. )

But thats absurd.. Nige knew about it. He called it the shennanigans, and goings on to Philip Broome. .. Nige and Elaine were working right there in the office when it was going on. Gerard called a mass meeting and told everyone in the office about it. If Nige and Elaine knew about Affair Cycle 1, then its pretty sure Olivia knew..

sooo why does he want them out of the room, and portrayed as knowing nothing about it??

thats about 5 mins into the first police on the doorstep and Gerard is into the big fib.

 

[squizzey1]

Why not try dialing it??????

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Do they fit in with calls to TM .The one in arvo would. Maybe he rang her prior to QPS and Daddy

 

[alioop]

Which gives the appearance that they were keen to get the girls away from police that morning. O whisked them away as the police arrived.

Agreed, and it was well before time to go to school so OW had some time to waste before she got them to school. Surely she would have said something to the girls in the car, or they to her. I don't believe they all sat there and didn't mention mummy going missing. If OW has answered every question police have asked her as she claims she has, then she must have told police what she and the girls talked about.

 

[alioop]

Did GBC drive the girls down to Allisons parents on Friday 20 April? lots of mobile calls travelling up from the Gold Coast that afternoon

I believe that GBC and NBC both drove down to the gold coast to see Darren Mahoney. Have a look at NBC phone records at the same time. Allison's parents had already arrived in Brookfield by then as per one of the police statements. They didn't muck around, they came up quick and I think likely then stayed with friends.

 

[Trooper]

and its reasonable to assume that Nige and Elaine, and by extension, Olivia knew abou Affair REcycle 2...

in the bail application , the police prosecutor gives the reasons why Gerard should not get bail, and right at the bottom, Lawfull phone Intercepts on the defendants phonelines supports that the defendant has used his parents to assist him in covertly contacting Ms McHugh on his behalf.

Allison is missing.. in that house, , Nige, Elaine, Gerard, Olivia, 6 kids, and Gerard is getting assistance from people in that house to contact Toni on his behalf.. ??