Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #44

[BJsleuth]

She did include them ("we") in her interview later with Channel 9 in front of the parents home.

Saying 'We' is usually considered distancing oneself from the statement following it.

 

[Curiousasacat]

She did include them ("we") in her interview later with Channel 9 in front of the parents home.

Here's the interview.


http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/baden-clay-will-stand-trial-magistrate/xcsshz4

 

[they'll get you]

For those who may not have seen them.. Pics of the BC backyard and carport can be found here. These pics were taken June 2012. http://multimedia.aapnewswire.com.au/search.aspx?search=baden+clay+arrest+brisbane%26(importdate%3E20120613)&gallery=BADEN+CLAY+ARREST+BRISBANE

What's that grey tarp in the photo of the carport in front of the little yellow caravan thingy? I wonder if that was used to drag or cover Allison?

 

[Phantom's Diana]

I recall very early on NBC when they shoved a mic in front of him he said the same as OW that the truth will come out ... But back then I thought he might have been suggesting a suicide - do we assume there was someone else there not a family member after the fateful act?

 

[Phantom's Diana]

Justice not until 2014 by the sound of it

 

[BJsleuth]

I recall very early on NBC when they shoved a mic in front of him he said the same as OW that the truth will come out ... But back then I thought he might have been suggesting a suicide - do we assume there was someone else there not a family member after the fateful act?

But why the cover up?

 

[Phantom's Diana]

I am puzzled by NBC and OW saying GBC is innocent ! Look at those scratches on him for a start!

 

[squizzey1]

But why the cover up?

I thought that TM was at the BC hideout and had been talking to the bcs either the day Al dissapered or very soon after . anyone recall that

 

[BJsleuth]

I am puzzled by NBC and OW saying GBC is innocent ! Look at those scratches on him for a start!

And the blood in a relatively new car that DNA testing confirmed is Allison's. Why the lack of consistency in his statements?

I'd best do some work, my desk looks like a photocopier spewed on it!

 

[Mystique75]

I've been thinking about why those questions were asked (great thought-provoking post, Trooper) by Davis and I wonder if it's just me who sees a pattern with those couple of questions that seemed so important. Did QPS tell Toni about the other women and did they tell Gerard not to appear at the command post?

From Toni's cross-examination I could assume here is someone with motive, emotional instability (demonstrated by questioning) and possibly opportunity (no security cameras at her apartment complex = no alibi) to murder Allison who not only was clearly not "ever" treated as a suspect but was apparently "pushed" to rat on her lover by the less than scrupulous QPS. But here is the problem with that theory, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that GBC was asked by the theoretically less than scrupulous QPS to stay away from the Command Post. Or is there? I'm hoping it's just my imagination. It certainly is MOO

Still, I just can't picture Toni being a perp. I can only imagine a crime of passion if she were the perp and those crimes are generally messy and not so carefully cleaned up. At least, they are on TV

 

[HeartRuledHead]

I read back on your older posts. Collectively they point to singing praises for TM...as well as defending her.

She may very well still be involved in Allison's murder. We don't know this as yet. As I said last night...time will tell.

Oh, so something I wrote in August 2012 or earlier, when the stones were thrown last time, to which I stopped commenting.

I see.

I have always been respectful of Allison, I think the whole situation is beyond terrible!

Since upsetting people for saying that I know Toni to be a lovely person who just made mistakes of the heart I had only returned to contributing after 6 months, and have been mindful to be neutral regarding my personal feelings about Toni's character.

 

[CaseClosed]

Okay, after re-reading the techy guy's report, the only thing I found which was "recovered from deleted space" from Nigelains computers, were several Skype calls on the 20/4/12 and 22/4/12. Otherwise, several of his findings are: "I can produce the report for xyz" but not details of what is in the reports for each device analysed.

 

[Aliwonders]

I am not sure how much a CPap machine (which it has been said that Gerard used) has been discussed but I have been thinking about this, since my husband uses one. Had Gerard used the CPap machine that fateful night and slept as he testified he very likely had a great alibi in his own home. I am sure that a c pap machine can have lots of information downloaded from it by a sleep solutions specialist. Things like when it was being used, when you went to the toilet. and other crucial information. Had the police had this tested that day they could have picked up important information. (Maybe they did or maybe they are not allowed to or maybe he said he didn't wear it???) My husband can't sleep without his. I don't know if this is usual for people who use them. Anyway I just thought I would see what others thought of this and if someone can confirm if this information is kept in the machine and for how long??
Sorry if I haven't done this correctly but this is my first try at posting.

 

[CaseClosed]

I've been thinking about why those questions were asked (great thought-provoking post, Trooper) by Davis and I wonder if it's just me who sees a pattern with those couple of questions that seemed so important. Did QPS tell Toni about the other women and did they tell Gerard not to appear at the command post?

From Toni's cross-examination I could assume here is someone with motive, emotional instability (demonstrated by questioning) and possibly opportunity (no security cameras at her apartment complex = no alibi) to murder Allison who not only was clearly not "ever" treated as a suspect but was apparently "pushed" to rat on her lover by the less than scrupulous QPS. But here is the problem with that theory, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that GBC was asked by the theoretically less than scrupulous QPS to stay away from the Command Post. Or is there? I'm hoping it's just my imagination. It certainly is MOO

Still, I just can't picture Toni being a perp. I can only imagine a crime of passion if she were the perp and those crimes are generally messy and not so carefully cleaned up. At least, they are on TV

We don't know if she was ever considered a "suspect". Her mobile phones and computers were also confiscated and analysed. She has been interviewed at least 5 times formally, but QPS have not arrested her nor have they included her as an accomplice. I don't think she is involved in this at all. She is only one more person that was manipulated and used by GBC. IMO.

 

[GEANIE]

Here's the interview.


http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/baden-clay-will-stand-trial-magistrate/xcsshz4

WOW thankyou Curiousasacat, first time I have been able to view that OW pathetic attempt to convince us.....If their is evidence to the contary that he is an innocent man....Then where is it....Indeed one would make some attempt to give even a clue....GBC is going to remain behind bars until the trial it seems...if there was the slighest hind of him being innocent would they not make some change of direction...It's all ludricious, and a 'Ham' acting job on OW part....Sorry OW you just not convincing in any way shape or form....:seeya:Round like a rissole OW....Go home to your children.....:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[squizzey1]

We don't know if she was ever considered a "suspect". Her mobile phones and computers were also confiscated and analysed. She has been interviewed at least 5 times formally, but QPS have not arrested her nor have they included her as an accomplice. I don't think she is involved in this at all. She is only one more person that was manipulated and used by GBC. IMO.

With the emphasis on used

 

[Mystique75]

We don't know if she was ever considered a "suspect". Her mobile phones and computers were also confiscated and analysed. She has been interviewed at least 5 times formally, but QPS have not arrested her nor have they included her as an accomplice. I don't think she is involved in this at all. She is only one more person that was manipulated and used by GBC. IMO.

Quite right CC. I did a bad job at trying to describe how Davis' questioning might be interpreted. But when being as vague and subtle as he is, just about anything can be interpreted.

Which is pointless anyway I guess. Only needs to create doubt. Still, I find it interesting.

 

[Zim]

Another half thought. He helped Toni sell her house. He would know she had that money. I think he told Toni hinting at T spotting him a few dollars. He lead her into that convo about money. The whole thing about not being able to afford to divorce Allison, he was manipulating Toni into giving him what she had which would keep him afloat temporarily. There was something in it for her if she coughed up cash, he'd be a step closer to being afford divorce . He didn't outright ask because that is how cons work, they talk all around it and expect you to get the hint and offer, then "You offered, I didn't ask" (therefore I don't owe you).

My thoughts too. I also think if TM has any guilt it is because if she had 'loaned' him the money Al could perhaps still be alive.

I wonder why she did not offer the money ?
Perhaps she knew more than she has admitted (re his debts) and knew she would not get it back.

Another thing, I think she pursued him after the break up.....the money she had could have been her 'hook' for him. I do not think he loves/loved her. He was too interested in self preservation. He was using her.....and she did have money....

 

[Zim]

There were two things , at the committal hearing, that fascinated me.

I was always going to be more interested in the questions Davis asked, than the answers given... the statements of the witnesses called were already laid down, and there was no reason to believe they would deviate from them, .. which they didnt,...


But Davis surprised me in the angle of his questions on two matters, and he spent a lot of time, considering time wasnt exactly infinite.. not only a lot of time, but 4 witnesses, wait, I think it was 5.......

He wanted to know who had told Toni of the other women in Gerards life.. 2 witnesses, and I think about 50 mins on that..

And... Who told Gerard not to join in the search.. 3 witnesses on that and a fair bit of time..

Davis is instructed by Gerard.. this is how it works. Davis isnt running this thing, Gerard is, Gerard is paying Davis to be his advocate, and thats what Davis does.. he isnt a free agent...

So why were these two matters, seemingly utterly irrelevant on the face of things , important to Gerard?

I get you Trooper.
As I said earlier GBC is throwing TM under the bus by suggesting/implying that a woman scorned (TM) could have motive for murder.

The suicide theory failed perhaps this is the next direction ?

 

[Trooper]

I've been thinking about why those questions were asked) by Davis and I wonder if it's just me who sees a pattern with those couple of questions that seemed so important. Did QPS tell Toni about the other women and did they tell Gerard not to appear at the command post?( edited by me)

I do see a pattern, mystique, but I dont know what the pattern tells....

They were important points to Gerard, that we know. other wise Davis wouldnt have spent so much time, its only my opinion that its so much time, on those 2 events in the over all picture..

I dont have any theories worth a darn about them either, but they stick like lantana.

if the significance of the question, re Ttoni and the other women is to paint the QPS as devious, its a bit thin as there were in fact other women. We only know of two others, no reason to believe the QPS thought that was sufficient. It would go to Gerards defence if there were no others.

Likewise, the time and number of questions and witnesses involved in the matter of was he allowed to join the search and who told him not to. As it happens, he didnt join the search.

If his story is credible then why did he go to the two doctors re the 'shaving' injury? No one in the police dept told him to, yet he did.. And he told the doctors the police had told him to. Davis didnt question this. Both Dr Beavan and Dr Kumar say this in their stat dec.. he said the police told him to get medical verification, and medical attention.

Now.. Davis didnt try and deflect the Drs statements. Gerard said the police told him to get medical verification.

But he does question , at length, who told Toni re the other stuff, and who told Gerard not to join the search.. ..

But neither Davis, nor, one can assume Gerard, can state which police person told him this. Was it Ash, Hammon, Jackson, Curtis , the two detectives after those four?? because immediately after the detectives spoke to him he had lawyered up and said nothing further.

You would think Gerard would remember who told him, ey.. there is only 6.

Since Gerard depends on it for his veracity, he would remember which policeperson told him to get his 'scratchings' seen to. But no mention of that at all.

And .. hahah.. stop it , trooper..

There is one bit in Gerards Record of Interview where this matter of the search is mentioned.. Sgt Jackson says 'we are better of getting the cars out there, having a look for her. Alright. So..

Gerard........Thats fine, and.. ah. like I said to the guys before, I, I , oh, I'm happy to answer all questoin in , in the world, and that sort of thing, if its going to help, but I , I, I, I want to... J, Jump back into my car and, you know, drive the streets, ...

*Curtis* .. 'yes* ...

Gerard...............you know, drive the streets, or something,.. I m feeling like....

Sgt Jackson... .. 'well. thats what our cars are ..

Gerard..................wh... what are we.....

*Jackson................'Our marked cars will be doing that anyway...

Gerard...................' Yeah???.. OKay.... ..


Yeah.. Okay