Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think the prosecution even alleges that RS knew RG before this night. And AK only knew him bc he met her once from the guys downstairs. I think RG might have been interested in AK, maybe guys talked etc., IMO, I personally think he was after AK that night



What matters is not rumors or innuendo but what is in evidence and I don't think there is any fact in evidence saying how they knew each other before that night other than what I mention above. No connection between RS and RG.

Well it seems Amanda is the common denominator. And they met casually a few times,

I've seen men do some really stupid things for just the thought of "getting some"

If I was forced to guess ...it became some sort of thrill kill. I'd bet it started as some sort of prank...



Who knows?


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[Linda7NJ]

Did RS have any friends? You never hear of any friends w him, like in college, many guys are like in a frat or have a close group of guy friends that they are inseparable from. Was he just a loner? You just never hear of him having any friends, which is a bit odd. Her too, did she have friends and they just disappeared on her or was she a loner? She might have been the type that girls hated.. It seems like MK was her only friend in Perugia.

I've read she wasn't a "girls girl" ...she was super competitive especially with women and adventurous. Good student.

I've read he had one very short relationship with a girl before Amanda.

They met and became inseparable.


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[redheadedgal]

Also, police reports say that her hair was not clean and she stank, not like a person just coming out of a shower.

do you have a cite for "she stank"? tia.

It's enlightening to hear the very strange theories from the Knox is Innocent perspective.

more strange are the theories that 1) a fight arose over poo in a bathroom that wasn't even the one MK used; 2) that amanda first obtained dna she couldn't see, then planted said unseen (RG's) dna in MK's vagina to frame him; or 3) that she first ran outside to get a rock, then she ran back inside to throw the rock back outside thru FR's window and then she ran back outside to grab the rock once more to place it onto the floor in FR's room.

After his arrest, prosecutors had to ensure that they had the correct person in jail, and everywhere they turned, they

discovered that it was a mistake. Therefore, they acknowledged their mistake and released him.

the article amber posted earlier about MM stated that 15 people verified PL's alibi right away...

if it takes only one eye witness to place someone at the scene/have a suspect arrested, should another 15 eye witnesses not be enough to clear him?

 

[redheadedgal]

insightful thoughts about the massei motivation report:

http://www.sciencespheres.com/2010/10/through-motivation-report-part-i.html
http://www.sciencespheres.com/2010/10/through-motivation-report-part-ii.html
http://www.sciencespheres.com/2010/10/through-motivation-report-part-iii.html


opcorn:

 

[otto]

I honestly do not know what to think anymore, so I guess there is no point. I do not know if Knox will be extradited or if Sollecito will be imprisoned. All I can say is that if they are, I hope they really are guilty and that the Italian court is sure that they murdered Kercher with Guede.

If the verdict is upheld and confirmed by the Supreme Court, then Sollecito will be detained and Knox will be extradited. That's all there is to it.

When one considers how many Judges, juries, reports, assessments and analysis have been done, all arriving at the same conclusion, it's sometimes difficult to understand how media confusion has led to wilful blindness.

 

[redheadedgal]

Thank you for answering my question.

evasion noted.

Her conviction is not proof the footprints were hers. They even said that the tests were negative.

yes, they were "compatible" w/ amanda's (yet not proven a match like RG's handprint on the wall or his shoeprints on the floor)... just like the knife stain was "not incompatible" to the kitchen knife...

:facepalm:

 

[otto]

I really don't know much about the ECHR and this is all I could find at the moment. I don't see Italy listed. But like I said, I'm unfamiliar with it.


http://www.todayszaman.com/news-269732-turkey-again-takes-top-spot-in-echr-violations-in-2011.html

"European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) head Nicolas Bratza said at a press briefing on Thursday that Turkey topped the list of countries that violated the ECHR with 159 cases. Russia followed Turkey with 121 cases and Ukraine with 105. According to Bratza, Greece (69), Romania (58) and Poland (54) had all violated at least one article of the convention. ...

Last week, the ECtHR angered Britain by ruling it could not deport a Jordanian cleric, once described as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe, to Jordan to face terrorism charges. Even though they accepted that Britain and Jordan had agreed on a deal to uphold the cleric Abu Qatada's human rights, the judges said he would not receive a fair trial because evidence against him might have been obtained under torture."

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-269732-turkey-again-takes-top-spot-in-echr-violations-in-2011.html

We're not seeing any of this in the murder trial of Meredith Kercher. So far, there is nothing to suggest that the convicted murderers, Amanda Knox, Rudy Guede, and Raffaele Sollecito, were wrongfully convicted, or even wrongly had their rights violated. They were convicted of murder on the basis of blood and DNA evidence. It doesn't have to get much better than that, but it does. There are also numerous other irregularities such as Knox claiming that Meredith routinely locked her bedroom door, perhaps Knox wore turnip beet shoes between the bathroom and her bedroom, and what's with the biology professor giving state secrets to Italy as a non-expert in a murder trial?

 

[Linda7NJ]

"European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) head Nicolas Bratza said at a press briefing on Thursday that Turkey topped the list of countries that violated the ECHR with 159 cases. Russia followed Turkey with 121 cases and Ukraine with 105. According to Bratza, Greece (69), Romania (58) and Poland (54) had all violated at least one article of the convention. ...



Last week, the ECtHR angered Britain by ruling it could not deport a Jordanian cleric, once described as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe, to Jordan to face terrorism charges. Even though they accepted that Britain and Jordan had agreed on a deal to uphold the cleric Abu Qatada's human rights, the judges said he would not receive a fair trial because evidence against him might have been obtained under torture."



http://www.todayszaman.com/news-269732-turkey-again-takes-top-spot-in-echr-violations-in-2011.html

Hmmmm don't we torture our suspected terrorists off our soil and instead do it in Cuba?

How many people are we still holding there?


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[redheadedgal]

I'd imagine her ridiculous, ever changing tales made her a prime suspect within hours.

That's just police work 101.

does police work 101 also include

--destroying 3 hard drives?
--ruining evidence by "preserving" it incorrectly?
--using dirty gloves to collect evidence?
--using the same swab in multiple areas of a sink/faucet?
--not changing foot covers as directed?
--lying on the stand? (stefanoni)
--not collecting important evidence until 40 some days later?
--hitting suspects?
--lying about one's crime scene activities? (battestelli)

shall i go on?

 

[otto]

Hmmmm don't we torture our suspected terrorists off our soil and instead do it in Cuba?

How many people are we still holding there?


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In Cuba, you can see the men trudging in the sand, desperate for a drink of water, escaping from Guantanamo Bay. Actually, those are con men, but it makes for a good story. Rumor has it they held a child of 17. Knox would be a full fledged adult by those standards; a world traveling, studying, living woman in Europe?

 

[redheadedgal]

I can not believe that. I find it hard to believe it took the 8 months (stated in the article) to charge her.

Unless they are using the term "charge" in a way I am unfamiliar with.

are two verifying souces good enough?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/murder-charges-imminent-for-amanda-knox/
http://www.newsweek.com/amanda-knox-charged-murder-91791

 

[otto]

does police work 101 also include

--destroying 3 hard drives?
--ruining evidence by "preserving" it incorrectly?
--using dirty gloves to collect evidence?
--using the same swab in multiple areas of a sink/faucet?
--not changing foot covers as directed?
--lying on the stand? (stefanoni)
--not collecting important evidence until 40 some days later?
--hitting suspects?
--lying about one's crime scene activities? (battestelli)

shall i go on?

Responding to each point:

• after results have been produced, preservation of evidence only applies to retesting and peer review; defense was invited to attend lab testing but declined
• dirty gloves transferred DNA from ?where? to the glove to the bra clasp?
• mixed blood on the sink faucet is mixed blood, of course the entire area has to be tested
• foot covers are related to tertiary transfer? Secondary transfer is completely unlikely, tertiary transfer is imaginary
• interpretation of testimony is not open to persons not deemed experts by the court (Hampikian is out, not approved)
• there is nothing unusual with collecting evidence on two separate occasions
• if Knox was hit, she should file charges, as hitting is not allowed; she has had seven years to file a complaint and has failed to do so
• Knox did lie about her crime scene activities: she claimed she took a shower

The point that is bold is the question that has never been answered, always ignored. If there is contamination, what is the source?

 

[ashleigh_schwartz]

I think she and Sollecito did it now. Perhaps I will change my mind in a few days. This case is confusing to me and I am not sure what to think most of the time because I think, in my heart, I know there is a possibility that they did not do it, but as of now, I think they are guilty. She should have never left Italy. I will get back to you all in a few days, maybe a week, and I will see if I have changed my mind again.

 

[otto]

do you have a cite for "she stank"? tia.

more strange are the theories that 1) a fight arose over poo in a bathroom that wasn't even the one MK used; 2) that amanda first obtained dna she couldn't see, then planted said unseen (RG's) dna in MK's vagina to frame him; or 3) that she first ran outside to get a rock, then she ran back inside to throw the rock back outside thru FR's window and then she ran back outside to grab the rock once more to place it onto the floor in FR's room.

the article amber posted earlier about MM stated that 15 people verified PL's alibi right away...

if it takes only one eye witness to place someone at the scene/have a suspect arrested, should another 15 eye witnesses not be enough to clear him?

Is one of the 15 people Edda Mellas? Is another Amanda Knox?

Detectives on scene stated that Knox did not smell like a fresh shower.

 

[otto]

Well it seems Amanda is the common denominator. And they met casually a few times,

I've seen men do some really stupid things for just the thought of "getting some"

If I was forced to guess ...it became some sort of thrill kill. I'd bet it started as some sort of prank...



Who knows?


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Thrill Kill has been my theory from the beginning ... Naruto Style.

 

[revampz]

Ummm I think they would know if they stayed in or went out.

Even my friend that had the alcohol induced blackouts could tell you what she was doing most of the night.
No one claimed to have suffered an alcoholic blackout, or other mild altering substance use. I've never known weed to create blackouts like we are expected to believe from these two.

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I just saw this and as a VERY big pothead back in the day had to comment.

I was a major party girl for many years.....so much so that it really affected my life.....I had lots of blackouts after drinking alcohol, but they were big nights and if they were that blind (what we call it here, or paraletic, don't know if you call it the same in the US) they would be noticeably drunk....

Never ever had a blackout smoking pot......nor anyone I know....... the two combined they would still have had to be pretty drunk to have a blackout.....

I can understand not remembering little details and exact times etc, that is most definitely likely...................However I have just reread "Death in Perugia"........finished it last night..............and according to Amanda, her memory of the night came back to her in jail when she was speaking to her mother...........it all came flooding back and she remembered that she wasn't there!!!! I find that very hard to believe.

I do have one question and I apologize if this has been discussed, but I have only really just become interested in this case....

Amanda said that in the morning she went back to her house to have a shower, get a change of clothes and get a mop as RS had spilt water on his kitchen floor......................can anyone tell me, was the mop found and if so examined???? that would be the mop that they cleaned up with and took back to RS's, and I suppose the mop mentioned to cover any tracks of missing mops etc....

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just saw this and as a VERY big pothead back in the day had to comment.



I was a major party girl for many years.....so much so that it really affected my life.....I had lots of blackouts after drinking alcohol, but they were big nights and if they were that blind (what we call it here, or paraletic, don't know if you call it the same in the US) they would be noticeably drunk....



Never ever had a blackout smoking pot......nor anyone I know....... the two combined they would still have had to be pretty drunk to have a blackout.....



I can understand not remembering little details and exact times etc, that is most definitely likely...................However I have just reread "Death in Perugia"........finished it last night..............and according to Amanda, her memory of the night came back to her in jail when she was speaking to her mother...........it all came flooding back and she remembered that she wasn't there!!!! I find that very hard to believe.



I do have one question and I apologize if this has been discussed, but I have only really just become interested in this case....



Amanda said that in the morning she went back to her house to have a shower, get a change of clothes and get a mop as RS had spilt water on his kitchen floor......................can anyone tell me, was the mop found and if so examined???? that would be the mop that they cleaned up with and took back to RS's, and I suppose the mop mentioned to cover any tracks of missing mops etc....

Maybe if weed was mixed with pcp (angel dust) but I highly doubt it. IMO they're just lying. They know exactly what happened.

What were the results of that polygraph Knox once promised to take?


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[revampz]

Yes was going to ask that........has she ever had a polygraph taken???? If she is so adamant that she wasn't there, then she should pass it...

While I think the motive and details are wishy washy, everyone is sure that it took at least 2 people to kill her the way she was killed.......Rudy is a definite, and with the other dna found, the lies told, the set up burglary I am convinced it was Amanda and RS...I wish someone would just spill the beans and tell it exactly as it happened.

 

[Yellow]

Is one of the 15 people Edda Mellas? Is another Amanda Knox?

Detectives on scene stated that Knox did not smell like a fresh shower.

SMELL LIKE A FRESH SHOWER? Is that how they are seriously gathering evidence based in whether or not some detective says AK smelled like a fresh shower? What does smelling like a fresh shower smell like? Most people take a shower in the morning, then go to work. Can I sniff around people on the subway to discern who did or who did not take a fresh shower? No, It is an impossible test, you cannot discern whether or not someone took a "fresh shower" based on smell. You may able to discern whether someone washed their hair bc it is wet but just bc it is dry does not mean someone did not wash their hair.

The behavior stuff in this case just got completely out of hand....it is taken too much to the extreme, which I think jeopardizes the credibility of the whole case to many. I could see them making out a circumstantial case but it is statements like this that make the case look silly.

 

[Yellow]

Yes was going to ask that........has she ever had a polygraph taken???? If she is so adamant that she wasn't there, then she should pass it...

While I think the motive and details are wishy washy, everyone is sure that it took at least 2 people to kill her the way she was killed.......Rudy is a definite, and with the other dna found, the lies told, the set up burglary I am convinced it was Amanda and RS...I wish someone would just spill the beans and tell it exactly as it happened.

I don't know why this case is considered special requiring multiple assailants to kill poor MK. Thousands of women every year are stabbed to death by single assailants and many do not have defensive wounds. This case is not extraordinary and Mk was not a superwoman; she could have been killed by a single person. I would venture to guess that 99% of stabbing victims are killed by a single assailant; it is extremely unusual to have mutiple stabbers and lack of defensive wounds fails to cut it as to show why there just has to be multiple stabbers. As I mention in my other posts, it is some of the silly things the prosecution says and does that threaten the credibility of their whole case to many.

Sad thing is, this case is not extraordinary. It most likely was a run of the mill burglary gone wrong that poor MK got mixed up in.