Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#3

[Monzoo]

Yes, the facts are clearly divergent. I guess , though, speaking purely psychologically - it could be said that Homolka from the beginning accepted every bizarre fact about Bernardo, no matter how disturbing or criminal those facts were-- and that nothing in her life prior indicated she was capable of responding this way.

To me, that seems to be a case of Bernardo-- already a rapist many times over-- slowly grooming Homolka to do his bidding.

Again, nothing remotely like this case, even if you take what the prosecution alleges as fact.

 

[otto]

I find completely hand waiving 2 witnesses testimony about the room (neither of which had a reason to misconstrue evidence) sad.

It's unfortunate that Knox, Sollecito and six others were in the crime scene before it could be photographed, but at least Filomina's bedroom was the only room where anything was touched. Had Filomina and friends arrived prior to the Postal Police, it would have been a lot worse. On the upside, there were eight witnesses to the glass on the clothing in the room. Sollecito had a good look at the room before the Postal Police arrived. I wonder if he wrote about it in his book. Did he see what everyone else saw?

 

[otto]

I can't speak for anyone else, but one of the things which ruined the Massei report for me was the deconstruction of it by Ron Hendry and others. Now, perhaps this latter was all a big PR campaign white-wash. I may have been conned; I don't know. It is possible.

But it definitely deflated the Massei report for me: Ruined it and disempowered it and took the air right out of it. In their version, Filomena admits she probably or might have left the shutters open, etc. They have lengthy explanations for every single fact Massei reports. Kind of like when alternative doctors reveal that mainstream doctors are wrong in every facet of treatment they do: You don't know if they are conning you, but now a can of worms has been opened and trust has been totally ruined. And yes, that would be the goal of a PR spin, I know....

Is Ron Hendry the traffic accident reconstruction person that never looked at the crime scene or spoke with investigators?

 

[SMK]

Well Ron Hendry wasn't on the jury. Judge Massei has given his reasonings why they reached a guilty verdict, the same way Hellmann reached his verdict. Everyone interprets things differently. Judge Hellmann's reasoning have been ripped apart by the cassation court made up of multiple judges. I guess all the judges but Hellmann are wrong in some people's opinions.

I know, but I didn't see the jury deliberate. I am simply saying what occurred with my thinking after reading Hendry et al. Yes, I understand Hellmann has been deconstructed just as Massei was, so have taken that well under advisement.

 

[SMK]

Is Ron Hendry the traffic accident reconstruction person that never looked at the crime scene or spoke with investigators?

Yep, that would be old Ron

 

[otto]

Yep, that would be old Ron

What if he. a traffic accident reconstruction specialist, were to prepare a report about a murder in Seattle, but he did not go to the crime scene, did not speak with investigators, and was not recognized as an expert by the court. How much weight would be put on his opinion?

 

[SMK]

To me, that seems to be a case of Bernardo-- already a rapist many times over-- slowly grooming Homolka to do his bidding.

Again, nothing remotely like this case, even if you take what the prosecution alleges as fact.

Yes, I understand that. But from everything I have read about the Canadian pair, Bernardo jumped into the rapes quickly, (he began to compulsively and brazenly rape without giving it much thought) and he did not have to groom Homolka at all: From the get go, she speedily jumped on board with all of it. I guess what I meant is, Two attractive, well brought up, middle class and privileged (not minorities) youth with all the trimmings of the good life --suddenly igniting in a blaze of absolute felonious pathology. I suppose all I meant it, "If B and H were lunatics under the skin, perhaps others can be as well."

 

[SMK]

What if he. a traffic accident reconstruction specialist, were to prepare a report about a murder in Seattle, but he did not go to the crime scene, did not speak with investigators, and was not recognized as an expert by the court. How much weight would be put on his opinion?

Yes, I understand. Well, he did view hundreds of photographs (which as an accident reconstructionist, he was often working from in his normal work) and did put quite an impressive bit together. So impressed was I, that I did some press releases for him. I do respect him, but yes, he may be wrong, or may have been persuaded in his purview of the whole thing. He really made the Lone Wolf theory believable, and when I Googled "debunking the lone wolf theory" I was disappointed that no one was able to really dismantle/dismiss Hendry convincingly. Maybe I will look up "debunking Hendry" and see what I find.....:seeya:

 

[SMK]

I see Hendry has a book on Amazon entitled, The Single Attacker Theory of the Murder of Meredith Kercher, and most of the reviewers believe his story is very difficult to refute. Of course, Massei would spit at such conclusions. Maybe you can help Otto: Where is Hendry wrong?

ETA: Here is his reconstruction complete with graphics and captions:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Meredith_Kercher_murder_reconstruction_graphic_-_Ron_Hendry.pdf

 

[Sonata]

Yes, I understand that. But from everything I have read about the Canadian pair, Bernardo jumped into the rapes quickly, (he began to compulsively and brazenly rape without giving it much thought) and he did not have to groom Homolka at all: From the get go, she speedily jumped on board with all of it. I guess what I meant is, Two attractive, well brought up, middle class and privileged (not minorities) youth with all the trimmings of the good life --suddenly igniting in a blaze of absolute felonious pathology. I suppose all I meant it, "If B and H were lunatics under the skin, perhaps others can be as well."

True, but I think they met when Homolka was just 17, so she was probably more easily influenced. Also, the videos they found involved her repeatedly calling him the king and saying she would do anything for him. I think it was a case of someone who desperately wanted to please and also had that pathological streak. She supposedly helped him rape her sister because he was disappointed that she wasn't a virgin and she wanted to gift him with one. I think the whole thing was less about thrill kills and more about voluntary servitude. I don't see that playing a role in this case.

 

[SMK]

True, but I think they met when Homolka was just 17, so she was probably more easily influenced. Also, the videos they found involved her repeatedly calling him the king and saying she would do anything for him. I think it was a case of someone who desperately wanted to please and also had that pathological streak. She supposedly helped him rape her sister because he was disappointed that she wasn't a virgin and she wanted to gift him with one. I think the whole thing was less about thrill kills and more about voluntary servitude. I don't see that playing a role in this case.

No, no servitude, unless it was on Sollecito's part. For some reason, reading about Homolka made me mistrust all young women. yikes!

 

[SMK]

What if he. a traffic accident reconstruction specialist, were to prepare a report about a murder in Seattle, but he did not go to the crime scene, did not speak with investigators, and was not recognized as an expert by the court. How much weight would be put on his opinion?

Yes, and I guess it really is insulting, because he injects himself into an Italian investigation, and points out the massive blunders of the police in Perugia. It is indeed implying that they are unable to reach their own conclusions.

 

[Amber29]

So to believe its a real breaking and entering we are to ignore:
The ground was wet
The vegetation didn't appear the trampled
The wall showed no signs of being scaled
The window is 13ft high
The window is in direct view from the road
There's a more accessible window around back that RG would've been familiar with
He used a 10lb rock
No glass on the ground below the window
The glass on the windowsill looked undisturbed
Reaching the window latch would've been been difficult
Nothing was taken from the room
All they did was throw clothes around
There's a mixed sample of Knox/Meredith DNA in that room
There was glass on top of things that had been thrown around
Multiple witnesses testimony of the rooms condition
RS claim to 112 that "nothing was taken"
Ak/RS differing stories of if the door was open or closed

Did I miss anything?

 

[SMK]

So to believe its a real breaking and entering we are to ignore:
The ground was wet
The vegetation didn't appear the trampled
The wall showed no signs of being scaled
The window is 13ft high
The window is in direct view from the road
There's a more accessible window around back that RG would've been familiar with
He used a 10lb rock
No glass on the ground below the window
The glass on the windowsill looked undisturbed
Reaching the window latch would've been been difficult
Nothing was taken from the room
All they did was throw clothes around
There's a mixed sample of Knox/Meredith DNA in that room
There was glass on top of things that had been thrown around
Multiple witnesses testimony of the rooms condition
RS claim to 112 that "nothing was taken"
Ak/RS differing stories of if the door was open or closed

Did I miss anything?

First of all, I actually used to think Guede had rung the bell, done the crime, and then staged the scene to make it look like a stranger. But no, I do NOT discount all of the above, nor did I say I take the lone wolf as gospel: I have serious doubts.

 

[otto]

I see Hendry has a book on Amazon entitled, The Single Attacker Theory of the Murder of Meredith Kercher, and most of the reviewers believe his story is very difficult to refute. Of course, Massei would spit at such conclusions. Maybe you can help Otto: Where is Hendry wrong?

ETA: Here is his reconstruction complete with graphics and captions:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Meredith_Kercher_murder_reconstruction_graphic_-_Ron_Hendry.pdf

One question ... does he accept, or reject, eye witness testimony that broken glass on top of the ransacked clothing?

 

[SMK]

One question ... does he accept, or reject, eye witness testimony that broken glass on top of the ransacked clothing?

I don't recall; but he rejects the simulation in general, so he likely rejects that the broken glass was on top. To tell you the truth, its been a couple of years, so I must brush up on my Hendry.:blushing: would love to hear any of your own feedback, of course.

 

[Amber29]

I don't recall; but he rejects the simulation in general, so he likely rejects that the broken glass was on top. To tell you the truth, its been a couple of years, so I must brush up on my Hendry.:blushing: would love to hear any of your own feedback, of course.

I did read the link you provided and while ill have to get back to you with my full thoughts. I will say that I don't agree that the blood spot between the night stand and bed means the attack started there. That spot could've been transferred there after the attack was over considering it is near her purse and the knife stain on the bed. I also think there's alternative aspects on the blood pattern near the closet.

 

[SMK]

I did read the link you provided and while ill have to get back to you with my full thoughts. I will say that I don't agree that the blood spot between the night stand and bed means the attack started there. That spot could've been transferred there after the attack was over considering it is near her purse and the knife stain on the bed. I also think there's alternative aspects on the blood pattern near the closet.

Much appreciated. Good point, and thanks for reading.

 

[otto]

I don't recall; but he rejects the simulation in general, so he likely rejects that the broken glass was on top. To tell you the truth, its been a couple of years, so I must brush up on my Hendry.:blushing: would love to hear any of your own feedback, of course.

I remember looking at Ron and his ideas a couple of years ago. Anyone that writes a serious report about a crime scene really should talk with investigators, visit the scene, measure everything, accept known facts of the case, be objective, and re-enact if possible. If an actual re-enactment is not possible, then certainly a virtual one is. Did he use any software to illustrate the rock trajectory, force, speed, how the rock was landed under the desk if it was thrown from the parking area?

ETA: I see his theory starts with Guede in the house and Meredith sitting on her bed. That seems to skip the important question of how he got into the house.

 

[SMK]

I remember looking at Ron and his ideas a couple of years ago. Anyone that writes a serious report about a crime scene really should talk with investigators, visit the scene, measure everything, accept known facts of the case, be objective, and re-enact if possible. If an actual re-enactment is not possible, then certainly a virtual one is. Did he use any software to illustrate the rock trajectory, force, speed, how the rock was landed under the desk if it was thrown from the parking area?

I am assuming he was able to read the investigative reports and obtain measurements; not certain if Italian LE wanted to speak with him.

Yes, all true. I think he may have used software. He was somehow able to set forth a Rudy-alone scenario which was as airtight as was possible, or at least appeared to be to many people (including FBI Moore). . He had experience, albeit with accident reconstruction - but a crime scene is somewhat akin, especially a disorganized one.

But the general sketch of Guede as lone wolf which he shows with graphics in #s 1-6, is it generally sustainable as a scenario in your opinion? I am very open to input against it, because I have made up my mind to be wholly objective at this point. I look at all input, from all sides.....