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This includes both the "easy" aspects, and the "event" aspects, which are the "stress/hard" aspects.

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Here is the bi-wheel for the USA and Obama. USA is the central chart, and Obama is the secondary (outer ring) chart. Note that I use a different USA chart than other astrologers, all arguing about which is the "right" one to use.

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Now that I have posted the charts, I hope all of you will notice Obama's Mars at the same degree as the USA Neptune. Think long and hard about this.

Obama's "energy" activates our "hopes and dreams", right? That is how he got elected. To be an honest astrologer, one must think of the potential for positive and negative uses of any planetary potential. Easy aspects can be used in negative ways, and stressful or hard aspects can be used in positive ways.

Astrology is more a language of energy than a system of prediction. If you think hard about the principles involved in the transits to both the USA chart, and Obama's chart, you can see the language in action in the daily news.

I am not feeling very happy about Obama at this point in time, because he seems deceptive and ignorant on economic matters. He doesn't seem to understand how our capitalist system works, and thinks the re-distribution of wealth will solve economic problems. We know this has been tried before by other countries, and it just doesn't work.

Could Obama be foolish enough to think that he can do better with socialism, communism, and/or fascism than Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini? If so, we are going to have some very hard times ahead.
 
Found another article on the website Butterfly linked, and it is also an interesting read.

Check it out, for the more opinions the better. We can make up our own minds by watching what the man does, and not be hypnotized by what he says.

http://www.starpathvisions.com/Obama-Neptune Trance Formation.html

This astrologer certainly takes a dark approach to things, and one that we can all hope is way too negative!
 
Here is a copy of Obamas birth Certificate, apparently on the Hawaii Birth certificates they list the Birth time.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

I agree that the link I had provide was negative, however I had read tons of astrologers who were painting Obama in a "perfect" light.
What I want to know is the truth, ya know. Is he someone we can trust? Does he have the best intrest of America in mind. My heart wants to believe in him, but my mind just doesn't like and trust something about him. I look at both sides. The positive ones for Obama as well as the negative ones. I do not know what to think thats why I wanted you to look and give your interpretation of the charts, you seem to give a fair and balanced reading of the charts.
Thanks for all you do, you are so appreciated!
 
butterfly1978 said:
Here is a copy of Obamas birth Certificate, apparently on the Hawaii Birth certificates they list the Birth time.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

I agree that the link I had provide was negative, however I had read tons of astrologers who were painting Obama in a "perfect" light.
What I want to know is the truth, ya know. Is he someone we can trust? Does he have the best intrest of America in mind. My heart wants to believe in him, but my mind just doesn't like and trust something about him. I look at both sides. The positive ones for Obama as well as the negative ones. I do not know what to think thats why I wanted you to look and give your interpretation of the charts, you seem to give a fair and balanced reading of the charts.
Thanks for all you do, you are so appreciated!
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That "certificate of live birth" has been proven a forgery, and I think I read somewhere that the forger has admitted to it. But, I could be wrong.

Anyway, it doesn't mean anything. At that time, anyone could register a birth in Hawaii, no matter where they were born. Obama's sister was born in Indonesia, and also has a "certificate of live birth" from Hawaii.

We need the long form, signed by the attending physician or midwife. And, some suspect that the reason Obama will not release any of the college records from the three he attended, aside from low grades, might be that he applied as a "foreign student".

Who knows? I sure don't.
 
Scroll back a page and take a close look at Obama's chart. Look at the square between his Sun and his Neptune. Then look at his Mars. It is halfway between his Sun and Neptune, and is in hard aspect to both.

There is so much to say about this aspect pattern. It lends to weakness, deception, lack of incentive to work, a weakened or disturbed sex life, a lack of will power, the undermining of the health, discontent, weak or little vitality, the danger of infection, possibility for scandal, etc..

So, just watch transits to this particular aspect, and follow the news.
 
Oh, and answering a question I missed earlier about Pluto.

Astrologers are paying no attention to the "downgrading" of Pluto from a planet to whatever the astronomers decided to call it.

Pluto works as a planet, and is used the same way it has been since it was discovered!
 
Thank you so much housemouse for spending so much time answering my questions. Believe me, I am watching the news constantly, about Obama, and everything seems to be playing out just like my gut tells me it will, sadly.

The information about Pluto I thaught was very intresting, but I was curious how it would work, I mean I know it really doesn't matter if we call it a planet or a rock, its still there I was basically thinking that it would be used as a moon or something or maintain the status as a planet in the charts, thanks for answering.
 
I do not know if this is accurate or not, I tried to find the most valid newslink online that I could...I have heard it discussed on major American media outlets prior to the election.

Here is the "rumor" :

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

"According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room..."

Again, I do not know the accuracy of these statement only that they were made by family members.
 
What happens to the chart when it is cast with the place of birth above housemouse? I'm a bit curious if you are willing to donate your time :wink: :)
 
I could do it, but not sure that chart would be accurate either, and therefore anything I analyzed could be way off.

We know he is in D.C. right now. If his birthdate is accurate, then a D.C. chart might be considered a "relocation chart".

And, if the birthdate is accurate, the Sun/Neptune square still holds, with Mars at the midpoint.

I think his birth-time might be inaccurate for one reason. The deep lines from his nose to his mouth... signs of Saturn/Capricorn to me. I do not know what to make about the prominent fold of flesh below his lower lip.

This photo shows it very clearly.

Obama_angry.jpg
 
This is soooo interesting!!! I have spent all evening reading and still haven't finished.

Thank you all for doing this. I want to stay up and finish reading, but I got to go to sleep. I'll be back in the morning.
 
housemouse said:
Oh, and answering a question I missed earlier about Pluto.

Astrologers are paying no attention to the "downgrading" of Pluto from a planet to whatever the astronomers decided to call it.

Pluto works as a planet, and is used the same way it has been since it was discovered!
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That's right! Anyone who has followed Pluto in their own chart and the charts of others knows darn well that Pluto works as a planet and has effect, to say the least!!
 
If it could be proved that Obama is from Kenya, could he be impeached?

By the way, I love this thread and Housemouse you are Awesome and so smart!
 
twomanywords said:
If it could be proved that Obama is from Kenya, could he be impeached?

By the way, I love this thread and Housemouse you are Awesome and so smart!
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I do not know about impeached because technically he would not be president because he never had the right to be president to start with... but I doubt very seriously if we will ever know the real truth about it anyway.
 
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