Andrea Lyon New DP Atty

[MissJames]

Well several things she wrote indicate she is not just interested in the penalty phase that is for sure; and she is even less interested in SODDI stuff, imo. Perhaps because it does not maximize the opportunity to build a sympathy case from the outset. I'm sure it is a combination of what she is expected or responsible for within her representation parameters and if she can get KC deprogrammed enough to realize JB has put his own interests ahead of his client. Some of the legal minds on here have speculated she may refuse to work with him if he doesn't cooperate, all but what attorney would want the extra work to have to be a ventriloquist, writing of JBs words and motions for him to stand spout because he sure doesn't manage all that well on his own.

It's hard to know if KC's silence is due to her own stubborn agenda (she is CA's daughter) or some kind of Svengali-like sway JB seems to have created.

Maybe that's what AL's law students are for

 

[panthera]

Oh panthera, I sure hope she stays on. I don't think I could sit thru this trial if JB is in charge. I'm sure she will be a corker but that JB just really gits to me. At least she will be more professional or she seems to be from what we have seen of her.

Oh, MAMABEAR, if you're dreading Baez, just wait until LKB gets up to the podium to cross examine the State's forensic witnesses!! You are in for a treat! Just remember to have a couple of stiff drinks first and use ear plugs. MOO

 

[Verité]

Oh, MAMABEAR, if you're dreading Baez, just wait until LKB gets up to the podium to cross examine the State's forensic witnesses!! You are in for a treat! Just remember to have a couple of stiff drinks first and use ear plugs. MOO

Ohhhh, I do so know what you mean! Reading through one her depos almost made me go blind. . .she will wear someone down with the sheer force of her
will to win. . .on & on & on & on & on & on & on.....y'know what I mean. Are her cross-exam's like that?

 

[panthera]

Ohhhh, I do so know what you mean! Reading through one her depos almost made me go blind. . .she will wear someone down with the sheer force of her
will to win. . .on & on & on & on & on & on & on.....y'know what I mean. Are her cross-exam's like that?

Oh yes! And then the defense will probably have their expert witnesses also. She does go on and on and on....reading questions from and referring to her notebook at the podium. She was one of Phil Spector's defense lawyers in his first murder trial that ended in a hung jury. It will be interesting to see how she (and JB) get along with Lyons. MOO

 

[cecybeans]

Seriously though, I'm wondering if there WILL be a meeting of the new attorney with the A's .The A's have damaged KC's case with the public and they could be potential targets by JB at trial (along with JG and RK). I'm starting to wonder if the defense even has a relationship with the A's. Are there any reports that the A's meet with the defense?

I was talking to another WS'er today and we speculated that maybe you are right and all of this "private grieving opportunity" the A's have been lobbying for was not necessarily a play for special treatment as we imagined but perhaps a desperate attempt to circumvent JB's insistence that she cut off ties with her family.

I remember those jail visits the A's tried to make in July when they were turned back. I don't remember if they were before or after that last visit (when JB was on the campaign trail in NY and they tried to get her to see LE) but it struck me then that it might have been at JB's insistence.

If he wants to cut ties in case they need to implicate the A's in any way (as accessories after the fact or as part of some mitigating mental situation), it would probably suit him much better to keep them away from each other. I still remember Lee telling KC that JB is #1, KC's interests are second and Caylee's third, and GA's little "CEO" speech seemed more designed to let her know that JB worked for her, not the other way around.

We have rolled our eyes and made fun of all the "special requests" excuses the A family has made in order to see her privately (perhaps without her attorney present) and maybe they were less about getting stories straight and more about something they did not want made public - the fact that they don't trust this man to have her best interests in mind and want to talk her out of letting him control things, never mind he is totally unqualified to take on her case. I also still see that picture Hoover described of CA in the backyard swearing at JB while she beat that cross with a bat.

Sleuthers on here have already documented the fact that AL makes much less than most attorneys in her field, and we probably don't know who is footing all of the bill - if the DePaul students are under a study grant or what. I've always maintained that the money trail is likely to be about people who have a vested interest in the profit that media attention would play - not about advertising dollars so much but about selling copies of tabloids. A year or two worth of salacious speculative articles is worth millions to those rags. They have their profit margin down to the penny I'll wager. It has nothing to do with the sordid type of ethics that would involve losing a case, like throwing a fight or something. If a defendant gets the best team money can buy - but it just happens to take forever to get to trial, then drawing out the process can be very, very lucrative, imo.

 

[Kathy1964]

Can KC fire AL if she doesn't like her?

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

If AL gets the DP off the table before trial, will she go home and JB will be back in #1 chair?

I was thinking along these lines, also. I figured she'd just get the DP off the table and go home if she gets it dropped. If she doesn't get the DP dropped, I figure she'll just let JB do whatever and then take over for the sentencing thingy. From all the info you guys have found it's looking to me like her specialty is convincing the jury to give LWOP instead of the DP after the defendant has already been found guilty. Do we have any information about her actually helping to get a not-guilty verdict for anyone? Sorry if this has already been discussed....I'm playing catch-up right now!

 

[shgrbkr]

I believe they all know that KC is going down. They must put on a good front in terms of trying to proclaim her innocence, but there is not a story in the world that will provide even the smallest speck of reasonable doubt, IMO. Behind the scenes, the focus is getting the DP swept away in the ocean wind, and lawyers can claim a "win" when their client ends up with LWOP. To AL, THAT is the victory in and of itself.

The end result is that CA/GA will NOT "lose" their daughter until her natural life comes to an end. She may have a rocky road, but of course her commisary account will be overflowing to maintain her interest in her appearance, and provide many treats that other inmates will not be able to afford. She may take a few beatings, be shunned by many others, an uncomfortable first couple of years, but things will settle down and she will carve out her life. By this time, JB, AL, LKB will all be long gone. Kc on her own.

 

[debbie0604]

I agree with you debbie; and I say if KC will not open her mouth and speak about who what when and where things happened then she needs to get LWOP even if she did not do the deed, because you are supposed to protect your baby not some low life. She cant say she does not know, she had Caylee end of story what happened from there she is liable.

IF She gets to read here this is for her:
YOU BETTER START TO TALK KC with no BS just reality; or millions of people will be praying for you to be incarcerated for all your breathing days; That is a lot of energy and a lot of prayers and yes it is powerful far more powerful then your lies miss KC - so start getting scared, start thinking that you are going to be in far worse conditions then where you are now.

Amen!!!

 

[Mystic]

If AL gets the DP off the table before trial, will she go home and JB will be back in #1 chair?

Mama, that's exactly what I've thought. Seems that was all AL was talking about doing straight away. JB doesn't want to give up his position. From what I've seen of his attitude in Court this far imo, he shows a lack of respect, unwillingness to do the appropriate paperwork. I'm wondering what kind of trouble he's going to get in with that sort of behaviour. I still wonder how Casey linked up to him? AL's only purpose really appears to be to get the DP off the table so JB can be head honcho once again. JMO

 

[maryaok]

By this time, JB, AL, LKB will all be long gone. Kc on her own.

I can't wait for the days that she starts to see all her friends growing up and moving on without her. That's going to be the real beginning of her punishment, when no boyfriend writes her, or takes her calls anymore, because they have all MOVED on! By then, CS will be learning how to twist the penal system, how to talk to her neighbor with a mirror through cell bars, how to wheel and deal an extra twinky now and then. The money in her account downstairs will dry up as soon as her story does..... That's when the real reality of what she's in for will really begin to set in. I got a feeling she'll be twisting and turning the screws in there just like she did on the outside.

 

[Brini]

Can KC fire AL if she doesn't like her?

Yep..

 

[Brini]

Mama, that's exactly what I've thought. Seems that was all AL was talking about doing straight away. JB doesn't want to give up his position. From what I've seen of his attitude in Court this far imo, he shows a lack of respect, unwillingness to do the appropriate paperwork. I'm wondering what kind of trouble he's going to get in with that sort of behaviour. I still wonder how Casey linked up to him? AL's only purpose really appears to be to get the DP off the table so JB can be head honcho once again. JMO

I suspect KC got JB by word of mouth through other inmates because he's an ambulance chaser.

 

[Verité]

I suspect KC got JB by word of mouth through other inmates because he's an ambulance chaser.

Or, he hears news & mysteriously shows up in his "ambulance." :truce:

 

[Verité]

I can't wait for the days that she starts to see all her friends growing up and moving on without her. That's going to be the real beginning of her punishment, when no boyfriend writes her, or takes her calls anymore, because they have all MOVED on! By then, CS will be learning how to twist the penal system, how to talk to her neighbor with a mirror through cell bars, how to wheel and deal an extra twinky now and then. The money in her account downstairs will dry up as soon as her story does..... That's when the real reality of what she's in for will really begin to set in. I got a feeling she'll be twisting and turning the screws in there just like she did on the outside.

No, Maryaok, I don't think the loss of old buddies is gonna bother her much. She may suffer from the loss of those who don't send her money, but I bet
she still has some curious types who will pursue her by mail, etc. (I once knew of a high profile criminal incarcerated for life who was pursued by a
beautiful young lady from a well-to-do family; she married him! And, of course, I think both Menendez bros got married in custody.) So, as long
as folks send her $$ for snacks, etc., she'll keep in relationship with them.

Since I follow the LP line of personality theory here--"that KC lives her life ten minutes at a time"--I suspect she'll form a completely new prison community
of bffs & gfs & love interests & enemies with mother figures and sibling figures, and so on, complete with high drama--so that she won't even think
about half (if even that) of the people she used to know in teens and early adulthood before custody. She may still recall JG because of their long-term involvement,
but all of her other relationships in the past appear to be have been quickly formed, shallow, and fleeting. I don't think KC has the capacity for long term, depth
relationships. Prison may give her the first opportunity to do so just by virtue of the fact that she can't run away (except maybe be sent to a different prison
and a whole new cast of relationships). Of course, I'm still wondering if AL and her "scream team" of attorneys and law students may succeed in sufficiently
convincing the jury of KC's innocence. Not!

 

[Meemom]

Wonder if AL had any input into the defense's latest motion? That mean old LE is orchastrating leaks to make KC look bad......has anyone told AL that JB fought the ste's request for a gag order?????? Do they all have selective amnesia? Please, please let the SA or better yet, Judge Strickland call them out on this - "I would have gladly put a gag order on this case, but you didn't want it..you're changing your mind now? Sorry, tough!"

 

[MissJames]

Wonder if AL had any input into the defense's latest motion? That mean old LE is orchastrating leaks to make KC look bad......has anyone told AL that JB fought the ste's request for a gag order?????? Do they all have selective amnesia? Please, please let the SA or better yet, Judge Strickland call them out on this - "I would have gladly put a gag order on this case, but you didn't want it..you're changing your mind now? Sorry, tough!"

If it turns out to be a motion that was actually done properly then most definitely,it would have to be AL's work.
I would pay money to see Judge Strickland tell the defense that they didn't want the gag order,so deal.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

IMO....I don't know if AL truely understands the Sunshine Law in Fla.....much of the info wasn't "leaked", per se. And I'm not a journalist, nor a lawyer, BUT....seems to me in almost EVERY case that's tried in this country, there is "inside sources" or "someone close to the investigation" supposed leaks. IMO, much of that supposed "inside" info is mixed with a lot of speculation on the media's part.
Seems the defense couldn't really "leak" anything because their "source" (Casey) couldn't tell the truth even though her pants were on fire. We DID get the "you're gonna fall out of your sofa when you hear the details in this case" by TM (Todd *advertiser censored*)when he first came on board for the defense.
The majority of the "leaks" on the "defense side", so to speak" came from CA and company. Her accusations and speculation about Jesse, Amy, Ricardo, etc. Her "pizza" theories. Ad nauseum....
All IMO.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

AND....another thing. (Mom used to say that to me as a kid when she was yelling at me for something...there was always "and another thing" LOL)

JB was negligent by not getting a death penalty qualified lawyer sooner....like right after the SA put it back on the table. AND...IMO, almost all death penalty lawyers, who could practice law in Florida, were following this case and reading the docs - at least to some extent. If nothing else than to see what they'd do in this situation. Seems like a big 'ol delay tactic by the defense - I know...DUH!!! I know it's most likely par for the course to try to delay, but just seems a little ridiculous to me, since it's rumored that AL authored the latest complaint about the media and LE "leaks"....she seems to know about the case enough to file that motion...or at least to suggest it be filed. Just IMO....and what's been alluded to about her writing it.

 

[Wisteria]

I truly believe that AL feels her job at this point is to prove that the state asked for the DP for all the wrong reasons. She has stated that she will be making motions o that effect in the coming months. There are several scenarious---

1. If she gets the DP off the table pretrial with all of her motions, JB will continue as lead and KC will be convicted then go to jail with LWOP (of course MOO).

2. If the DP does not get dropped. JB represents KC in a "equal partnership" with the rest of the defense team. Not really a equal partnership just because you are all there together. It is a self-aggrandizing to state such a thing in his present company, since he is not in their calliber at all. KC is convicted. AL then takes the case into the penalty phase. She will fight to get KC LWOP. I think if it goes this far, AL will win. But at least KC gets LWOP.

As you can see, I do not see any scenarios where KC gets off. AL may attempt to plead KC down to lesser charges but at this point, I doubt the SA is going to do that, since they put the DP on the table again.