GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 5

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Kimster said:
Mod reminder:

Please use the quote feature when discussing posts by insiders/professionals. It helps a lot! :tyou: :grouphug:
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How do you do this? do you just copy and paste their quote into your reply? Also, sorry to ask here, but how do you reply to multiple quotes at the same time? I find myself doing them separately because I don't see a feature below.
 
SavvyRose said:
True.
I wasn't speculating as to why it was waived. I was just answering the question had anything been filed to reduce it.
He may feel she's better off there where she can't talk too much. Or is protected from society until trial.. Or he didn't want a denial on the record while he is still working his case.. Any number of things. ( Now I'm speculating. )
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Usually judges do not set bond on capital murder charges- no use in asking for bond/bond reduction when a judge is not going to set it anyway...
 
Wildflower85 said:
If she was just aware and didn't do anything, she wouldn't be charged with capital murder and kidnapping.
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http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=1364

Please note this particular section:

"(B) In the course of and in furtherance of the felony or in immediate flight from the felony, the person or an accomplice causes the death of any person under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life;"

If the prosecution believes they can prove that she knew the existence of a plan, and turned a blind eye... in addition to providing assistance to AL during or after the crime was committed, then they have grounds to indict. That is the interpretation I get, and what my friends in the legal biz have agreed with.

Edit Add: I would also add that if the prosecution charges her now with capital murder, they can later reduce that charge and no one will think anything about it. If they charge her with manslaughter or something of the sort now, they can't up the charges during trial. Set the charge high and be willing to go lower, but do not undershoot the charge.
 
They could very well have text communications between the two before and after the crime that implicates both in the crime. Judging by the intelligence of having Beverly's phone in their home not realizing that it could be traced by pings, they probably deleted their communication off their phones not realizing that the provider still has every call and text. I think electronics and SM will play a big part in the evidence. Had hard telling what went on Beverlys icloud and to her ipad. jmo
 
murrikan said:
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=1364

Please note this particular section:

"(B) In the course of and in furtherance of the felony or in immediate flight from the felony, the person or an accomplice causes the death of any person under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life;"

If the prosecution believes they can prove that she knew the existence of a plan, and turned a blind eye... in addition to providing assistance to AL during or after the crime was committed, then they have grounds to indict. That is the interpretation I get, and what my friends in the legal biz have agreed with.

Edit Add: I would also add that if the prosecution charges her now with capital murder, they can later reduce that charge and no one will think anything about it. If they charge her with manslaughter or something of the sort now, they can't up the charges during trial. Set the charge high and be willing to go lower, but do not undershoot the charge.
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We have to remember that it's just as much a possibility that CL killed BC as it is that AL did. If not for CL's friend NoJustice on here telling us that CL has an alibi for the whole weekend, including the Thursday night it all started, we wouldn't be giving her the benefit of the doubt. Well, that and the fact that usually these murders are done by males, but there have been plenty of women who have murdered through the years. I remember a case in Little Rock several years ago where a grown daughter and her boyfriend ambushed the woman's mother and stabbed her to death. It was over inheritance if I'm remembering correctly. Killed. Her. Own. Mother. For. Money. I have no idea what happened in this case. None. All of it is just guessing. But I do know that they had strong enough evidence a month after AL was placed under arrest to go back and arrest CL for the same charges. And that was after they had charged her with theft by receiving and had chatted with her for 10 hours, I believe. Someone posted how quickly the DNA could be processed when I had posted it was about a month after that they arrested CL. I still think the DNA had something to do with her arrest for murder and kidnapping, but maybe it was the phone records as those would take time as well. MOO
 
beaglebrd said:
We have to remember that it's just as much a possibility that CL killed BC as it is that AL did. If not for CL's friend NoJustice on here telling us that CL has an alibi for the whole weekend, including the Thursday night it all started, we wouldn't be giving her the benefit of the doubt. Well, that and the fact that usually these murders are done by males, but there have been plenty of women who have murdered through the years. I remember a case in Little Rock several years ago where a grown daughter and her boyfriend ambushed the woman's mother and stabbed her to death. It was over inheritance if I'm remembering correctly. Killed. Her. Own. Mother. For. Money. I have no idea what happened in this case. None. All of it is just guessing. But I do know that they had strong enough evidence a month after AL was placed under arrest to go back and arrest CL for the same charges. And that was after they had charged her with theft by receiving and had chatted with her for 10 hours, I believe. Someone posted how quickly the DNA could be processed when I had posted it was about a month after that they arrested CL. I still think the DNA had something to do with her arrest for murder and kidnapping, but maybe it was the phone records as those would take time as well. MOO
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BBM I have to respectfully disagree with this. You can only speak for yourself, and not everyone. After AL was arrested, and before CL was taken into custody, I never had a feeling that she was involved. I still don’t have a gut feeling that she killed anyone, or even willingly was involved. I will have to wait and see what evidence there is presented against her before I can believe that. My opinion has nothing to do with NJ’s thoughts, though I do appreciate her input.
 
Regardless who is or isn't reading and/or posting on the board, each one of us is still entitled to our own opinions. If I see posts that I am not interested in, then I just Scroll-n-Roll.
 
It seems in the majority of these cases, where a heinous act has been committed, it is almost impossible to find anyone close to the person(s) who believes a person they know and/or love is capable of whatever it is that happened.
 
concernedmother said:
This case reminds me alot of the Heather Elvis case .
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I agree, yes it does.

ETA: And IMO, TM's social media and her posts and texts all over the internet and phone records, etc. came back to bite her in the *advertiser censored** too, just as I feel all of that will in this case too. Some people just aren't smart enough to figure out when to keep their mouths shut, IYKWIM!
 
I dont think its out of the realm of possibility that Beverly Carter could have been taken "home" before she was killed. Could be why her phone was also there.
 
If CL didnt know AL's original plan and really was in clinical's she may have walked in on a surprise and it was downhill from that point on for her. Being held against your will falls under kidnapping. Also, remember the confrontation with the IG girl. The fangs came out.
 
concernedmother said:
They could very well have text communications between the two before and after the crime that implicates both in the crime. Judging by the intelligence of having Beverly's phone in their home not realizing that it could be traced by pings, they probably deleted their communication off their phones not realizing that the provider still has every call and text. I think electronics and SM will play a big part in the evidence. Had hard telling what went on Beverlys icloud and to her ipad. jmo
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It's always been my understanding that you can get date and time of text messages but not the actual conversation from the provider. Maybe I'm wrong? Not saying I support your theory just wondering about text messages.
 
nojusticenusa said:
It's always been my understanding that you can get date and time of text messages but not the actual conversation from the provider. Maybe I'm wrong? Not saying I support your theory just wondering about text messages.
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No NJ. The actual text was obtained during Casey Anthony investigation. Thats what caused the one cop to get fired. He didnt tell them he had been banging Casey and the police department got a surprise when they obtained her text messages from the provider. He didnt get fired for banging her but because he didnt disclose it. Same with facebook. You can delete but its still there. You cant see it but LE can get the records. That also happened with Caseys FB when she deleted all those pics of Caylee. In Teleka Patricks case, she had deleted her tweets but through a program on the internet posters were able to recover her tweets.Scary how once you put anything out there it doesnt disappear.
 
concernedmother said:
No NJ. The actual text was obtained during Casey Anthony investigation. Thats what caused the one cop to get fired. He didnt tell them he had been banging Casey and the police department got a surprise when they obtained her text messages from the provider. He didnt get fired for banging her but because he didnt disclose it. Same with facebook. You can delete but its still there. You cant see it but LE can get the records. That also happened with Caseys FB when she deleted all those pics of Caylee. In Teleka Patricks case, she had deleted her tweets but through a program on the internet posters were able to recover her tweets.Scary how once you put anything out there it doesnt disappear.
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Very interesting! From the link above I got the following:

"Fortunately, only one of the nation’s four largest carriers store message content.

That would be Verizon Wireless. It isn’t for a long period of time, but message content is kept by Verizon for a period of 3-5 days. The other 3 carriers, T-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint don’t keep message content at all. However, all four carriers do keep text message detail. This doesn’t contain what was written in the text but it does show who it was sent to and when. AT&T is the worst when it comes to keeping text message detail".

I take detail to mean time and date of text and number texted.
 
I was curious after reading that article about how long texts are kept so I went back and looked at Caseys case.I was wrong. It wasn't text messages but computer forensics that turned up the messages between her and the officer. If I post wrong info I like to correct it.

http://www.cio.com/article/2378005/...t-messages-are-gone-forever--think-again.html
It is true that most IT departments lack the know-how to recover old or deleted text messages even if they're in possession of the devices, but that's not the case with mobile forensics experts armed with an array of new tools. They can pull thousands of deleted text messages from the distant past and unearth evidence that self-destructing message apps, such as Snapchat, leave behind.

This article is interesting. It seems with the right tools, text can be retrieved from way back. Maybe that is why LE takes the cell phones into custody? They can retrieve stuff from the phone that isnt on the server?
 
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