It is all the disgusting things they say about people who are gay or transgender. Like people that are gay or transgender are molesters. Grrrrr!
The victims forgave him how could they really forgive him being children themselves... Adults can say that all day long but imo a child does not understand forgiveness for something so vile. Jmo.
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I can only go by the fact the parents waited until the statute of limitations was over to report, in the report the mother acknowledged it wasn't really a counseling camp, but they could have taken them later for additional counseling later. Add that together and a little research on the teachings of ATI or whatever Gothard teachings are out there on the internet and see that I'm not hopeful. One of the little kids (male) called the vagina a "pee pee holder" that to me is concerning after seeing how women are treated in this type of belief system. All the kids were sheltered and I'm sure have a skewed view of a lot of things.
As a side point Gothard the founding father if you will of the teachings this family practices (and was friends with) was accused of molesting 32 girls. Another friend of this family Phillips was recently excommunicated for molesting his nanny. Makes one wonder if the strict teachings of at least this family belief system could be a contributing factor?
Regardless I do find it ironic that this family's very public judgement of others finds themselves in this situation.
SS - I'm sure you are correct and some pieces of the puzzle are missing and I'm glad you are open to that you seem like a compassionate person.
What I read in the report is enough for me so say again, I hope he has changed, he has a daughter and one on the way and I hope his victims are in a good place.
If one is religious I can see that God probably has forgiven men/women/children for a lot of horrid things but most of them at least face the consequences of their actions when caught and not allowed to repeat many more times.
IMO Josh should have been removed from the home and never to return. No matter who handled it. LE or the Parents. Terrible message for the Victims.
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The catholic example is not a valid comparison with Gothard and the fundamental movement.
They would have had to have forgiven him in the present to have him be part of their lives. I don't think anyone else can say who should get or give forgiveness. None of us were hurt so that is up to those injured but it seems to me the forgiveness is current. People do horrible awful things and still are forgiven. Forgiveness is powerful for those who believe in it. I will never forget over the years pictures of families of murdered loved ones showing forgiveness for the person who killed their child or for the families of that murderer.
SS - I feel for you and hope your optimism pans out.
I on the other hand can't get past the reports and the coverup.
Sure it is.. Some people will follow every word. Some will become nuns and priests, some will skirt around the middle and some will go twice a year but still call themselves catholics. Every religion in this country has all different degrees of membership and adherence.
Nah; not buying all of that and I'm a conservative republican. It's not a political issue and it's not about their stand on other issues.
IMO it seems like there was a coverup here and I want to find out more because it could very well be that someone will owe society a debt that needs to be paid.
It's about justice honestly
I have watched it for years.. I know as much as anyone can from a reality show. making your children go out in 2s is not uncommon among people. They don't believe in pants for girls neither do the Amish, or some Indians, or Muslims. I don't see how what they wear matters much. There is nothing wrong with faith or a life rooted in your faith.Have you read much on the Duggars? or watched their TV show? The kids must go out in 2's because it's not safe alone. The girls can't wear pants because it might arouse a male. This family openly talks about their ATI homeschooling, you may find it interesting to look at some of the curriculum. The parents openly talk about following this "faith" if you will and are pretty proud that they follow it as strictly as they can. No "front" hugging, holding hands or kissing even when they are engaged. So to your point....
By their own admission they try to be pretty strict adherents to their beliefs.
Sure it is.. Some people will follow every word. Some will become nuns and priests, some will skirt around the middle and some will go twice a year but still call themselves catholics. Every religion in this country has all different degrees of membership and adherence.
Catholicism is as much an ethnicity as it is a religion.