AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[wendiesan]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot !

Yup. Part of making a documentary, or a pseudo-documentary, film is to create the appearance of reality as much, in some instances, as in capturing what is actually happening. A friend of mine was part of an Anglican church-produced documentary on the work done in South Africa with regards to caring for aids patients and their families, particularly young women and their children. The objective was to raise awareness of the situation and the work being done, and to help raise funds for further development of the services and their delivery to the patients.

Even though this was a pretty straight forward production, the documentary's crew came to her home and rearranged the rooms in which the shoots would occur. In part to make her, as the subject, easier to film, and, in part, to improve the aesthetic values of the film. Some books were made more prominent than others, photos moved from one room to another, souvenirs placed to be seen in the background of shots, and so on. The makeup artist made sure that the lights wouldn't give her an unhealthy pallor and while keeping her "look" consistent with the face she presents every day in her work. And the makeup team also helped her decide on three or four outfits that she could change in order to make it appear that certain segments were shot on different days.

Crew members also made sure her garden and sidewalk looked good, even adding a few seasonal plants to bring a little colour to the autumn setting. Then she had to walk from her car, up the sidewalk and into her house. Over and over and over. The documentary team wanted to make sure they had a good establishing shot with good lighting as she walked with authority and made gestures, like pulling a weed or touching a flower, that would identify her as the owner of a property. She made that walk nearly twenty times--rehearsal, camera rehearsal, takes, retakes, backup shots, shots from different angles. My friend was stunned by the attention to even the smallest detail during the process.

So, the filming with the Duggars would be a real Robert Rodriguez run and gun shoot in comparison. Giving food and taking it back by now must seem just a normal part of filming for the Duggar family. If they are used to repeating sequences several times for the camera, perhaps whoever took the food back was just preparing to do the shot again. I'd like to think that there was something other than the selfish using of people to promote the fantasy family. Just a mistake that would have been corrected later.

 

[MsFacetious]

The news that Josh Duggar had molested five young women as a teen stunned the world. But now, RadarOnline.com has learned, he’s being accused of sexually abusing even MORE women! A shocking new lawsuit filed by an incarcerated inmate in Texas claims Duggar is the perpetrator of several more crimes — and according to the inmate, he has DNA proof.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-new-lawsuit-claims-more-victims/

Bummer, I was thinking it might be credible for a minute. :sigh:

 

[Montjoy]

Bummer, I was thinking it might be credible for a minute. :sigh:

Personally, I hope there are no more victims.

 

[MsFacetious]

Personally, I hope there are no more victims.

I think there is, but I'm not sure we will hear about them.

 

[EllieBee]

Well, that is just sad to me that a 25-year-old adult woman is so brainwashed in this day and age that she tolerates her parents forbidding her to have something that 20% of the WORLD's population has (Facebook).

I've never watched the show but can anyone here who has answer this? My understanding is the parents practically arranged Jill and Jessa's marriages. Why the lack of interest in betrothing their eldest daughter?

Stat source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ebook-as-live-in-the-entire-country-of-china/

Who else is going to raise all those damn kids? Michelle? Bwahahaha!!!!!!

 

[EllieBee]

Okay, so that robocall was tolerance.

I must have misunderstood tolerance.

Yeah, ya dunderhead. What's wrong with you, anyhow?

 

[wendiesan]

Well, for me, it depends on the overall quality of the program, and rigor and quality of the preceptorship requirements-- along with state law. I think distance learning for some of the didactic component of some programs is reasonable-- even many "traditional" university settings and programs use self-directed internet based learning modules. But I am not willing to put a blanket stamp of approval on all programs that include distance learning. One of the things that concerns me about some of the distance based programs is the rigor of the science/ biology/ physiology component-- which can be lacking as a foundation in many "religious" home school high school curriculums, that conclude with a GED.

Admittedly, I am certainly more open minded toward direct entry midwives than many of my traditionally educated colleagues in the health sciences. As long as I can appreciate and observe that there is a strong component of didactic scientific knowledge, coupled with a strong basis of experiential apprenticeship, as well as a willingness to educate to "when" to refer to a higher level of care, then I can support home birth and community based midwifery for the right (healthy) candidates, delivered from the "right" kind of educated and trained direct entry midwife.

One of the things I have noticed is that NARM (North American Registry of Midwives) has done (they are the main provider of education and licensure exams for direct entry midwives) is that they have stopped counting out of country (overseas) experiences as valid for their initial certification evaluation. That means that "mission trips" to foreign countries no longer "count" for preceptorship experience for initial certification. I think that is a very good thing, as some marginally educated/ marginally qualified individuals have attempted to use a couple of mission trips to fulfill their homebirth preceptorships.

We also have to acknowledge that a significant proportion of those who are not formally trained or certified, but self-identify as "midwives" in religious communities, are NOT formally educated, or have completed supervised preceptorships. Many (ok, most) of these individuals are very informally trained, with extremely limited knowledge and abilities for competent midwifery care.

Most home schooled GED holders are not qualified for baccalaureate study for general admission to science based majors at traditional universities-- it is the rare home school student who is well-educated in the sciences. That does NOT mean home school students cannot achieve admission to traditional universities-- but just that those who have completed a primarily religious based homeschool education face a particular set of challenges to compete for health care and science based majors.

Twenty six states are willing to license direct entry (not formally educated in traditional universities) midwives. All of the 26 that I'm aware of use the NARM criteria. I have personally examined the NARM criteria, and believe it is sound for what they are proposing for client population and scope of practice-- and I have personally arranged and completed a home birth for me with a certified professional midwife (quite controversial among my colleagues).

The bigger issue, as I see it, is "what" is the curriculum proposed by the distance education provider, and what part does the preceptorship play in the process.

A bunch of links to further explain!

http://meacschools.org/

http://meacschools.org/member-school-directory/

http://narm.org/certification/

http://narm.org/entry-level-applicants/

http://narm.org/preceptors/

http://narm.org/preceptors/narm-policy-on-preceptorapprentice-relationships/

http://narm.org/news/revised-policies-ooc/

http://cfmidwifery.org/mmoc/define.aspx

Thanks so much for the great response K_Z.

 

[EllieBee]

Independent baptists. Not even the southern baptists would condone their lifestyle. (Daughter and sister of southern baptist ministers)


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Are independent Baptists the same as foursquare Baptists? I get confused about that, but I do know neither are part of the SBC.

 

[wendiesan]

Do the Duggars not realize that meeting the requirements of their religious organization is not the same thing as meeting the requirements of the law of the land?

Their group's philosophical and theological requirements regarding penance for child molestation may have been met by having JD discuss his actions with an LEO (now serving time for offences related to child *advertiser censored*) and working hard on the construction site of a fellow congregant. However, JD's molestation of the little girls was also a crime for which he should have answered to the courts.

It seems that the Duggars, while happy to quote the Bible in many situations, forgot one of the most famous passages from the book of Matthew (22:21) and, obviously, did not follow the dictum: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

 

[TessDeco]

I don't understand why Josh Duggar didn't go to court a long time ago and ask a judge to seal or destroy the police records. He probably had a good chance of having the reports sealed since he was a juvenile when it occurred. Josh seems to have political ambitions. He had to know the risk of being exposed as he became more visible on TV and in conservative politics. Nobody thought of this?

God works in mysterious ways..


All JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

44,500 People, Including Two Presidential Candidates, Vow To Defy The Supreme Court On Marriage Equality

But a group led by anti-gay pastor Rick Scarborough is vowing to defy any ruling by the Supreme Court that recognizes same-sex marriage. Scarborough announced the effort in a column on WND, a website best known for relentlessly publishing conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birthplace. In the column, published April 27, Scarborough asserts, “[t]he Supreme Court can no more redefine marriage than it can redefine gravity. Neither is in the Court’s legitimate jurisdiction."

...

It would be easy to dismiss as a fringe effort, but the list includes two presidential candidates, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee. ... Other prominent signatories include Tom DeLay, the former Majority Leader of the House Of Representatives, and reality TV stars Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.

Wasn't there a quote upthread about how the Duggars wish everyone treated them with the same love and tolerance they treat others with?

How I wish humanity in general would grant their wish.

ETA Oops, forgot link. http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/15/3669522/scarborough-supreme-court-defy/

Also: presidential candidates vowing to disobey the Constitution by refusing to follow its dictums. Think about that.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't understand why Josh Duggar didn't go to court a long time ago and ask a judge to seal or destroy the police records. He probably had a good chance of having the reports sealed since he was a juvenile when it occurred. Josh seems to have political ambitions. He had to know the risk of being exposed as he became more visible on TV and in conservative politics. Nobody thought of this?

God works in mysterious ways..


All JMO

Jumping off your post

I agree God works in mysterious ways, but IIRC from posts here and reports in the media, Josh was no longer a juvenile when the proper authorities investigated. So there was never any legitimate reason to destroy the records on those grounds.

I may be misremembering. If so, I have no problem standing corrected.

 

[wendiesan]

I don't understand why Josh Duggar didn't go to court a long time ago and ask a judge to seal or destroy the police records. He probably had a good chance of having the reports sealed since he was a juvenile when it occurred. Josh seems to have political ambitions. He had to know the risk of being exposed as he became more visible on TV and in conservative politics. Nobody thought of this?

God works in mysterious ways..
All JMO

I think it was because he was not a juvenile when the report was filed. He was 18 in 2006. The names of the minors were redacted. It was not sealed because it was a Police Report and not a court record and, therefore, a matter of public record. JMO, but perhaps the Duggars assumed that it was the time of the offense, not the date of filing, which would mean it was sealed. They just didn't bother checking on the information.

On 5/20/15, in full compliance with Arkansas law, the Springdale Police Department responded to a records request under the Arkansas Freedom of Information Act. The requested record was not sealed or expunged, and at the time the report was filed, the person listed in [the] report was an adult. Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas law prior to release.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/19-kids-city-defends-release-800290

Further, some documents are considered exempt from FOI requests. The Police Report on an adult is not one of them.

Under Arkansas’ Freedom of Information Act, documents belonging to agencies are considered public unless they are specifically identified as exempt. Examples of exempt documents include medical records, grand jury minutes, and state income tax records. In 1992, the state Supreme Court also clarified that while juvenile court records may not be disclosed, other records that identify juveniles who are not charged with crimes remain public.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoer...ice-report-was-legal-under-arkansa#.xbxoQX518

Interestingly, for JD to have had his Police Report expunged, he would have had to qualify under Arkansas guidelines.

• In most cases, you must have pleaded guilty or nolo contendere (no contest) to the offense to qualify.
• You must have been sentenced under a statute that allows for expungement. And you must have completed all the terms and conditions of your probation. Also, you cannot have had prior felony convictions.
• Sexual offenders whose victims were under the age of (18) years are not eligible to have the offense expunged.

http://www.arlegalservices.org/files/FSExpungement_0.pdf

I believe that this was discussed upthread. My guess is that he didn't qualify because he did not plead guilty or nolo contendere to any charges, and his victims were under the age of 18.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If you're a right-leaning politician and you've lost Orange County, you are in real trouble:

In taking aim at cities for allowing people to use restrooms based on the gender they identify with, the former Fox News host said, “Now I wish that someone told me that, when I was in high school, that I could have felt like a woman when it came time to take showers in PE. I’m pretty sure that I would have found my feminine side and said, ‘Coach, I think I’d rather shower with the girls today.’”

The audience laughed and Huckabee said, “You’re laughing because it sounds so ridiculous, doesn’t it?”

At the same time Huckabee was poking fun at transgender people, he was also on national television defending reality TV star Josh Duggar, who admitted to molesting multiple under-age girls, including his sisters.

These types of news stories cause a huge amount of damage to the Republican brand that the nominee will have to repair to win the general election.

ETA: OOPS! Forgot link again!

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/social-666150-conservative-republican.html

 

[wendiesan]

The Arkansas Times reported that Huckabee dropped the Duggar endorsement from his campaign website.
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...-duggar-endorsement-from-his-campaign-website

Jim Bob, a former Arkansas state representative, and Michelle Duggar endorsed Huckabee both for his 2008 and 2016 presidential campaigns. Their endorsements did not appear in the "I Like Mike" section of the site Thursday morning. Archived versions of the campaign site show that the endorsements were removed sometime Monday night.

 

[Montjoy]

That moves him up a notch in my books. Now he's at notch negative 68.

 

[TessDeco]

Jumping off your post

I agree God works in mysterious ways, but IIRC from posts here and reports in the media, Josh was no longer a juvenile when the proper authorities investigated. So there was never any legitimate reason to destroy the records on those grounds.

I may be misremembering. If so, I have no problem standing corrected.

You are probably right as I don't know how it works. One of the victims did asked a judge to destroy the police reports after the story was exposed and it was granted. Too late for Josh.

 

[Donjeta]

That moves him up a notch in my books. Now he's at notch negative 68.

Not to worry, the Duggars will be back.

"Well, on our website, I just want to get this … this will help nail this, on our website we have a list of rotating people who have endorsed us," Huckabee said, according to audio Media Matters provided to IJReview. "They were one of them, but they are rotating. Their particular piece rotated off and some more on. There are several hundred that are going to rotate on and off. The Duggars, in fact, will be back."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...-be-back-on-campaign-website/article/2565824#!

 

[Montjoy]

I guess in a way it hardly matters. Supporting hatemongers or having hatemongers support you doesn't fly well with many people. He has about as much of a chance at winning the nomination as Chuck E. Cheese.

 

[BritsKate]

Are independent Baptists the same as foursquare Baptists? I get confused about that, but I do know neither are part of the SBC.

I know of Foursquare Pentecostal but not Baptist. The Duggars, I believe, would fall under the IFB umbrella (Independent Fundamental Baptist). Initially, the ideology begins there so most patriarchy/quiverfull families believe many of the same things with just a razor's edge between beliefs - just as an example: in quiverfull, a woman would immediately begin sexual relations with her husband as soon as possible after the birth of a child, or stop breastfeeding before a year, but Michelle Duggar doesn't follow that doctrine. However, the core belief common in quiverfull (eschewing birth control and allowing God's will to dictate family planning) is obviously still present.

IFB is a very loose affiliation and they themselves insist they are not a denomination. There is no official leader but certainly revered authorities (Michael & Debi Pearl; Bill Gothard; Botkins; Josh Harris, Campbells, Maxwells, etc. - whose books and seminars are popular within this circle) - some of those same books and materials, I've read, have been featured on the Duggars show. It's also been suggested that normal expectations of a P/QF family have actually been lessened for the Duggars on account of their notoriety. FWIW

Here's a link to the most common principles of the IFB in relation to the Duggars: Welcome to the Duggars World of Independent Fundamental Baptists