AR AR - Whitehall Motel in El Dorado, WhtFem, 81UFAR, 18-21, Jul'91 - #2 - Kelly from VA

[carbuff]

Elizabeth Sykora with one of El Dorado JD'd mug shots. Not well lined up, but it gives another aspect since JD looks very different in her glamor shots than when she's not made up.

I dunno. It's a strong similarity. But Namus indicates both women have DNA so it's probably a no-match by default.

 

[amazing-sea-monkey]

The eyebrows and eye shape look different to me.

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

Wow! This is the first time I've looked at this UID. In theory, this should be SO easy! She's very tall, narrow nose, and to me, has a bit of "bedroom eyes." We have to identify this girl!

 

[TooCurious]

The eyebrows and eye shape look different to me.

Eyebrows looked different to me too but they could be drawn on. Picture Elizabeth with waxed eyebrows and Jane Doe without all the eye makeup and i think they are pretty close. Anyway, I am a newbie and I defer to Carl.

 

[FiveFelines]

I think Elizabeth's brow-line is lower. Not just that she has thicker brows, but the brow bone itself. I don't think this UID is listed as missing anywhere, because she *should* be an easy physical match and she isn't.

 

[apearn]

This girl needs a computer generated photo (or computer enhanced) with tons if freckles to go out to the media and catch the eye of an old class mate. I don't think anyone is looking for her.

I did this image on a silly free iphone ap - but what about something like this? Meme type pictures are all over Facebook and this thread gets lot of traffic. Everyone with social media could post it and, hopefully, it can get re-posted enough times to grab someone's attention.

I used this image since she looked the youngest and therefore maybe closer to the age of when she was last seen by someone outside her later professions.

 

[carbuff]

Great idea, apearn!

 

[vermontaigne]

As pointed out earlier, the sound studio's at Wylie, which may be the basis for the alias Wiley. Mercedes is, I take it, a common stripper name, but there are also towns named Mercedes and Carr in Texas.

 

[sloane7777]

Haha ! Is there a missing Penn ? But she really didn't look like him in person and I never noticed really prominent freckles but I don't remember seeing Her without makeup only less makeup when they left Fayetteville kinda night before waking up makeup

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[giagreen]

Not sure if this is helpful or not but I figured I'd throw this one out there. I have a friend on facebook that likes to go by the last name Carr so people can't look him up. His real last name is Carter. Maybe Carr is short for something like Carter?

 

[Sleuthster]

Has Becky Minish been ruled out?
GA GA - Becky Annette Minish, 19, Augusta, 17 March 1987 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/703/0/

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

Has Becky Minish been ruled out?
GA GA - Becky Annette Minish, 19, Augusta, 17 March 1987 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/703/0/

It does not look like she has been ruled out. Her estimated height is close to this UF, but Becca's story looks like it was probably a murder and not a run away.

 

[Sleuthster]

It does not look like she has been ruled out. Her estimated height is close to this UF, but Becca's story looks like it was probably a murder and not a run away.

My first thought when I read her case, in regards to the car being pried open and dash board smashed was "OMG, that was violent there's no ways she's alive". But then I read someone saying that it was possibly from someone trying to steal the car and I have to concur with that theory. So, it sounds like she locked the car and walked away because of the flat tire, maybe to go get help? Car sat there so someone tried to hotwire it.

So how did she end up in Texas and then finally in Arkansas if she is Eldorado Doe? It's possible that she was picked up walking for help, maybe taken for human trafficing and ultimately ended up with the pimp guy that shot eldorado Jane doe.

I just think there are a lot of similarities with physical attributions.

 

[sloane7777]

My first thought when I read her case, in regards to the car being pried open and dash board smashed was "OMG, that was violent there's no ways she's alive". But then I read someone saying that it was possibly from someone trying to steal the car and I have to concur with that theory. So, it sounds like she locked the car and walked away because of the flat tire, maybe to go get help? Car sat there so someone tried to hotwire it.

So how did she end up in Texas and then finally in Arkansas if she is Eldorado Doe? It's possible that she was picked up walking for help, maybe taken for human trafficing and ultimately ended up with the pimp guy that shot eldorado Jane doe.

I just think there are a lot of similarities with physical attributions.

I just dont see it, and the circumstances are so off, I asked the person that knew Becky, maybe he can tell if they do look that similar, hope they answer

 

[carbuff]

I stumbled across Keli Kay McGinness. I'm not sure whether she's a good candidate or not.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mcginness_kelli.html

They've decided she was probably a Gary Ridgway victim, but initially they thought she'd left on her own accord. She was a prostitute in Seattle and her Charley entry lists a whole string of aliases she used.

She was last seen in Seattle in 1983, when she was 18. That would make her about 26 in 1991, which is older than Doe's 18-21 estimate but within the Namus 20-30 range. And at 5'5" she's probably not tall enough.

Collage attached; click to enlarge. She's got the same small mouth with the narrow upper lip and fuller lower lip, and her hairline looks similar. It also looks to me like the ear is similar, with the large lobe and the very round upper part.

I dunno. It was the string of aliases, many with "Kelly" as a component, that caught my eye, and the similarity of profession. Plus the blonde quasi-Marilyn Monroe look. That's probably creating the illusion of more similarity than there is.

 

[sloane7777]

I stumbled across Keli Kay McGinness. I'm not sure whether she's a good candidate or not.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mcginness_kelli.html

They've decided she was probably a Gary Ridgway victim, but initially they thought she'd left on her own accord. She was a prostitute in Seattle and her Charley entry lists a whole string of aliases she used.

She was last seen in Seattle in 1983, when she was 18. That would make her about 26 in 1991, which is older than Doe's 18-21 estimate but within the Namus 20-30 range. And at 5'5" she's probably not tall enough.

Collage attached; click to enlarge. She's got the same small mouth with the narrow upper lip and fuller lower lip, and her hairline looks similar. It also looks to me like the ear is similar, with the large lobe and the very round upper part.

I dunno. It was the string of aliases, many with "Kelly" as a component, that caught my eye, and the similarity of profession. Plus the blonde quasi-Marilyn Monroe look. That's probably creating the illusion of more similarity than there is.

I think it was about 6 years ago I called the detective on Kellys case and he pulled up the doe network file He was sure he had a suspect on kellys case but not enough evidence to charge anyone, he was positive it wasnt her, he seemed so informed on Kelly that I trusted his judgment, but I have not checked to see if she was on the ruleout list, but like I said he was really a sharp guy (unlike many who dont have a clue) but I thought the same Carbuff!!!!:seeya:

 

[sloane7777]

It really sickens me that we actually know who the person is that can totally solve this and he wont talk!!!!! here are our ruleouts and Kelly isnt on it, I know I have asked this over and over and for some reason cant retain the answer, but dont they get automaticly compared in NAMUS? I know they do in CODIS.

Exclusions
The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent: First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Janet Brice 1961 Louisiana
Sherry Bynum 1957 Colorado
Tracy Byrd 1968 Pennsylvania
Melinda Creech 1900 Indiana
Linda Davis 1946 Oklahoma
REBECCA DUNN 1958 Nevada
Elizabeth Gill 1962 Missouri
DEBORAH GREEN 1961 Florida
Shelley Hoke 1969 Arizona
Wendy Huggy 1965 Florida
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Tricia Kellett 1973 Illinois
Kim Leggett 1962 Texas
Laurie Lucas 1966 Colorado
Staci Madison 1970 Arkansas
Stacie Madison 1970 Texas
Michelle Mulcahy 1961 Florida
Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
Tracy Ramsey 1964 Missouri
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Amanda Slaughter 1976 Texas
Susan Smalley 1969 Texas
Pamela Tinsley 1966 Oklahoma
Darlene Webb 1962 Florida
Sherri White 1964 Alaska
Lisa Wilson 1960 Texas
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Demographics
Estimated age Adult - Pre 30
Minimum age 20 years
Maximum age 30 years
Race White
Ethnicity
Sex Female
Weight (pounds) 162, Measured
Height (inches) 70, Measured
Body Parts Inventory (Check all that apply)
All parts recovered
Head not recovered
Torso not recovered
One or more limbs not recovered
One or both hands not recovered
Body conditions
Recognizable face

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Probable year of death 1991 to 1991
Estimated postmortem interval

Circumstances
Location Found
GPS coordinates Whitehall Motel RM 121
Address 1 840 West Hillsboro Street
Address 2
City Eldorado
State Arkansas
Zip code
County Union
Circumstances
This victim was found inside room 121 of motel.

Physical
Hair color Blond/Strawberry
Head hair Measures 9 inches, frosted blonde with pony tail and 2 holders present.
Body hair
Facial hair
Left eye color Blue
Right eye color Blue
Eye description Blue

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No other distinctive body features
Distinctive features as described below

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Amputations
Deformities
Scars and marks Anterior abdominal wall is flat with a remote scar present.
Tattoos
Piercings 3 in right ear and approx. 2 in left ear.
Artificial body parts
and aids
Finger and toe nails
Other distinctive
physical characteristics

Medical
Medical implants
Foreign objects
Skeletal findings
Organ absent
Prior surgery
Other medical
information

Fingerprints
Status: Fingerprint information is available and entered

Clothing and Accessories
No clothing or accessories
Clothing and accessories are described below

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Clothing on body 1 pair white ankle socks, 1 pair acid washed blue jeans, 1 black belt, and white T-shirt.
Clothing with body
Footwear 1 pair white tennis shoes
Jewelry A gold-colored chain type bracelet present on right arm.
Eyewear
Other items found
with body

Dental
Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered

DNA
Guidelines for Collection of DNA
Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

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Contacts
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Phone 501.227.5936

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Phone 870-864-1903
Case Manager
Name Chris Edwards
Phone 501.227.5936
Regional Administrator
Name Michael Nance
Email Michael.Nance@unthsc.edu
Phone 9185270080
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[sloane7777]

I just noticed on DOE they have taken off all information about her murderer?????? which had recently been updated, What is up with that!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sloane7777]

OK I just submitted Kelly on Doe , Will someone call Kathy Phillips or Michael Nance?

 

[sloane7777]

I just looked up that website we dont talk about *T----* and a lady that worked across the street from her at the video store said she had a bus ticket home and her belongings to be shipped were already paid for.......she said the BF stopped her at the station note this is to be considered rumor but how sad and I also saw someone say she had a non accent , which is correct.