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[voynich]

My suggestion is, since you're discussing a living person that you should consider some restraint.

Detective work can be unpleasant. Either AR holds the key OR a child predator is out there. PR, JR and BR are all alive and you know, bad things have been said about them as well as LS & others.

If we can get primary documents from Amy's rape, redacted to remove her name, and read them we could have a better picture of what is going on.

Discoverable under FOIA?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Detective work can be unpleasant. Either AR holds the key OR a child predator is out there. PR, JR and BR are all alive and you know, bad things have been said about them as well as LS & others.

If we can get primary documents from Amy's rape, redacted to remove her name, and read them we could have a better picture of what is going on.

Discoverable under FOIA?

FOIA is federal documents only. Might get something on JBR though because the FBI were called in initially as a kidnapping, and later FBI was used for consulting and more lab work, I think.

 

[voynich]

FOIA is federal documents only. Might get something on JBR though because the FBI were called in initially as a kidnapping, and later FBI was used for consulting and more lab work, I think.

Any volunteers? Anyone interested in putting a FOIA request on FBI re:Amy as well as seeing what legal avenues exist for getting papers related to AMY and her case report, and posting them on the internet for study, redacted of course.

So BPD would not be subject to FOIA??!!

 

[voynich]

Most pedophile child rapists kidnappers remove the child from the home, commit their crimes elsewhere, Having a parent in the home is NOT a deterrent. Prime examples: Polly Klass, Danielle Van Damme, and Sandra Cantu cases.

So how would you classify AR entering A's residence, fail to do an extraction, and commit their crime in the house with the parent present.

What is the % probability of a crime like this occurring, and occurring 9 months after JB killing with all media publicity and 2 miles and whose black shirt fibers were found on JB's panties.

 

[stereo21]

Most states have their own version (a crappier one usually) of FOIA. So request away, though if the police department is doing an investigation you may be SOL, depending on the exceptions to the state foia law.

 

[madeleine]

Sorry to bring my post over here from another thread but I hope someone can answer,tia

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-Flight755-baggagecheck12261996.htm


Window grate (9GRV)
Bag containing Santa Claus swift ornaments (76BAB)
Santa Claus suit (77BAB)
Note (78BAB)


Who was playing Santa in the Ramsey house?

 

[BBB167893]

How can you say that black fibers were from John's shirt as opposed to another black shirt?

Because JR's shirt was from an Israeli manufacturer.

 

[BBB167893]

John's other daughter Melissa stated John never sexually molested her nor JAR and BR and spoke for her dead sister as not having that happen either.

How could she be so sure?

Tell me, voynich: are you familiar with the difference between a true pedophile and a situational molester?

 

[voynich]

Because JR's shirt was from an Israeli manufacturer.

How do you know those black cotten fibers were made from an israeli manufacturer, or a black cotten shirt made in China would not leave fibers "consistent with fibers found on JB panties"

Are there magnified images of these black fibers found on JB panties on the web, with samples from JR's shirt, and other sample black fibers from other shirts from other manufacturers?

 

[voynich]

How could she be so sure??

We're talking about someone who grew up w/both of them. It seems pretty presumptive to think we know better than her. DId Elizabeth ever report this to anyone else or in any medical record or did any pediatrician notice this in Elizabeth or JAR, BR, JB, or Melissa, or did JR exwife suspect this?

As for Melissa being so sure, unless better evidence surfaces, I see no reason to doubt Melissa.

Tell me, voynich: are you familiar with the difference between a true pedophile and a situational molester?

How would you classify AR?

 

[BBB167893]

Is there any evidence Beth was molested by JR? Did she confide this to anyone say bf or sister or JAR or R's first wife, or did JR's first wife ever suspect this?

Rumor is all I've heard.

Can we rule out BR (or another schoolmate) playing doctor w/JB say one time one week prior to her murder, or perhaps a nurse or md visit and examination of the vagina?

Well, the examination part we can definitely rule out.

As for palying doctor with BR or other children, it would take a lot more than one time to do that kind of damage. Even then, I think it would have to be someone substantially older.

 

[voynich]

Rumor is all I've heard.



Well, the examination part we can definitely rule out.

As for palying doctor with BR or other children, it would take a lot more than one time to do that kind of damage. Even then, I think it would have to be someone substantially older.

What kind of trauma or damage are we talking about here, and how many times, over what time period? I read the post of chronic inflammatory inflitrate and hymen that this could not have happened at the time she died (i guess) not even w/ a paintbrush.

What is the minimum amount of penetrative contact over what time period and number of contacts, that would result in inflammation consistent w/biopsy results found. If as you say JR did this, what did he do, insertive penile-vagina contact? Finger?

Could JR's penis even fit in a 6 y/o JB vagina?

 

[BBB167893]

How would JR or PR know of chronic inflammation, not visible to the human eye, requiring a biopsy and pathologist, know to even cover prior abuse?

I don't think it was the inflammation they were interested in covering, voynich. I think it was the parts that had been worn away.

Prior abuse is an RDI myth.

The heck it is.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Prior abuse is an RDI myth.

It was fabricated on dubious observations by armchair experts paid for by the tabs. They profited during those years by feeding on a rich family scandal that was created.

Dont take my word for it, check out some of those old issues with JBR posing with red lipstick on it, taken from her pageants. The tabs placed those pictures next to pictures of the 'suspect for the day' including JMK and JR. This suggested sex crime scenarios involving children and adults that otherwise did not exist, and displayed them on supermarket shelves. I'm sure JBR would've been surprised at how her pageant photos were ultimately used.

Thought I'd bump this up.

 

[BBB167893]

How do you know those black cotten fibers were made from an israeli manufacturer, or a black cotten shirt made in China would not leave fibers "consistent with fibers found on JB panties"

I'll tell you how: because not every article of clothing is woven the same. It IS possible for crime labs now to determine "oh, this was made a certain way, there's only x amount of outlets who sell this and x amount of people who make it this way."

Are there magnified images of these black fibers found on JB panties on the web, with samples from JR's shirt, and other sample black fibers from other shirts from other manufacturers?

I'm afraid not. Never even thought of it!

 

[Ravyn]

Ok, here is a question it was stated the PR writting the RN is a RDI myth..I have asked this and I'm asking again if PR didn't write the RN why was Tom Miller attacked if there was nothing to it..

 

[BBB167893]

We're talking about someone who grew up w/both of them. It seems pretty presumptive to think we know better than her. DId Elizabeth ever report this to anyone else or in any medical record or did any pediatrician notice this in Elizabeth or JAR, BR, JB, or Melissa, or did JR exwife suspect this?

I meant, since she didn't live in the same house, how could she be sure about JB. I can't say what JR's ex-wife suspected. I know she found out that JR was having an affair.

As for Melissa being so sure, unless better evidence surfaces, I see no reason to doubt Melissa.

As far as HER homelife, I would agree. But that's why I asked about the difference between pedophiles and situationals.

How would you classify AR?

Pedophile, definitely, He was willing to enter a home not familiar to him to molest a young girl. Situationals tend not to leave the family because they're easier access. That's where situational comes from.

 

[BBB167893]

What kind of trauma or damage are we talking about here, and how many times, over what time period? I read the post of chronic inflammatory inflitrate and hymen that this could not have happened at the time she died (i guess) not even w/ a paintbrush.

Well, specifically, we're talking about tissues being exposed that aren't supposed to be, areas where very little hymen was left, areas of tissue sloughing, enlarged openings, and a few other things. It's not certain how many times because JB's not around to tell us, but one estimate put one injury at least 10 days earlier. Personally, I'd say at least a month.

What is the minimum amount of penetrative contact over what time period and number of contacts, that would result in inflammation consistent w/biopsy results found.

I've read estimates of once every three days.

If as you say JR did this, what did he do, insertive penile-vagina contact?

Whomever it was, we can rule that one right out.

Finger?

Best bet, voynich. Most molesters like to "prepare" their victims through digital manipulation for more to come. LinasK would be the one to ask about that.

Could JR's penis even fit in a 6 y/o JB vagina?

Not without doing EXTREME damage.

 

[voynich]

I'll tell you how: because not every article of clothing is woven the same. It IS possible for crime labs now to determine "oh, this was made a certain way, there's only x amount of outlets who sell this and x amount of people who make it this way."



I'm afraid not. Never even thought of it!

article of clothing, here we're talking about deposited black fibers.

So we have black fibers on JB's panties, and there is some visual resemblence to black fibers on JR's shirt, but we cannot rule out the possibility these black fibers share visual resemblence to black fibers that would rub off and be deposited from a black shirt bought at say Target, Walmart, JC Penny's, Neiman Marcus?

AR was wearing a black shirt. Is it possible that deposited fibers from AR's shirt would visually resemble fibers found on JB's panties?

 

[BBB167893]

Ok, here is a question it was stated the PR writting the RN is a RDI myth..I have asked this and I'm asking again if PR didn't write the RN why was Tom Miller attacked if there was nothing to it..

So far, I notice the IDIs are extremely reluctant to touch this one. Perhaps the implications are too awful.