Are there other victims?

[songline]

I agree with that- I read an article last night stating Jaycee said Garrido didn't touch her girls and hadn't touched her in years... not sure I believe it.

I do not believe it, because he is a perv.
But... He liked the fight, and JC stopped fighting him.
so she may be telling the truth. Still doubt it....
He must have gone out to get his kicks with someone who was not very subservient.

 

[songline]

I think Jaycee was his queen...

the others were toyed with and murdered...if there were any male children they are dead. ..

this story is going to be unbeleivably sick.

I think from what JC's step Dad tells us. JC was a very good girl and never gave anyone a hard time.
Was she his Queen? I do not see it that way..he had no respect for women at all.
But with time a victim will bond with her victimizer that is how they stay alive, and she was easy to get along with.

To have a queen you have to appreciate and respect women.
Other wise you have to be born royalty LOL

 

[songline]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/19/BA8V19P82M.DTL

I am not sure that she would know. and I am not sure he did not brain wash the girls not to tell.

Here is why I say that:
when I did counseling I had worked with a number of incest victims:
One of my clients was most angry with her Mom and not her father and brothers as much...With time she healed some of her issues with the male in the family.
But was furious with her mom to the end because her mom did not believe that any of it happened. I remember her Mom was dying and she refused to go see her.

WHAT IF: he had them all brain washed to think whatever he wanted them to think???

 

[songline]

What I was thinking was one LE agency interviewing Jaycee, as opposed to her having to be interviewed by multiple agencies. I was thinking of the stress on Jaycee having to go through multiple interviews.

This case is not going to trial in the next few months, it will take a bit of time for JC to go through an emotional antifreeze - poor baby was in a nightmarish time capsule for 18 years.

I think despite all she may have to go through and it is hard
we do know that the worst of it is behind her.
At least now she has a soft place to fall; in the embrace of her Mom sister, father, aunt, and a world of people who love her and pray for her.
She will have to give different accounts to different people.
She herself is still discovering her own feelings.
She has had to be suppressed so much in order to survive.
They already took her through the space in the night and asked her for an account of where everything happened, and how she lived: It was hard for her and she did cry. That too is a healing. (and that space will be condemned after an investigation). But there will be more interviews that go deeper into each part of her life; Some will be a case against Philip and Nancy; some will be psychological/emotional to help adjust and heal.
And then again if they want a movie about this saga.
Every time they will tell their story they will heal a little more.
It saddens me much to think that in a way she/they are still in a bit of a prison, I wish JC and her girls can go out in the world without anyone knowing who they are and explore the world as they should, stores, restaurants, museums, parks, the kind of things she USED TO DO with her family before life changed, this will anchor her back to her early beginnings. Maybe even Disneyland, or a place she really loved.
I sure hope they are getting some nice energy, good time, great visuals it offers a breath of fresh air, as they are adjusting to things they have missed.
With some time JC will put it all in perspective and tell LE
her story.

 

[my2sisters]

I can't imagine they're spending all their time in a hotel room. No one knows what Jaycee and her daughters look like so I think they are probably getting out some. That may be why they are in Concord and not Antioch. Concord is a larger town and easier to go unrecognized.

 

[mysteriew]

Because Jaycee is apparently making corroborating claims. Unless you think she is not telling the truth as well. What he said in the past after his last conviction about how he would act in the future is irrelevant. The jailhouse interview he gave was about the events of the last 18 years, not about his future behaviour or what he thought his future behaviour would have been 20 years ago. If she is essentially saying the same thing as him about certain details, logic follows that those details are most likely correct, unless she is being deceitful. It is allways possible that they might have made a cover story prior to the visit to the parole office, but there is no evidence to support that.

Just because PG is an evil person does not mean that he is lying about everything. It means you can't trust him, but when there is independent corroboration on certain facts, it is not unreasonable to conclude that he is being truthfull on those facts.

I agree with you. If Jaycee states he didn't touch her recently then I think we have to believe it. If the girls say that he never touched them, then I will believe it. After all, those people who were there can say what happened.

In the larger context it also makes some sense. PG was allegedly into drugs big time and had been for many years. It is very possible that over time he became impotent.

I also believe that the reason Jaycee is alive is because he began to see her as an human being and a person, not just a sexual object. She became more than a sexual release, she become the mother to his children. And he apparently did have affection for his children. So he may have come to a decision not to be with Jaycee in that way again. I know, that one is a stretch. But possible.

 

[minazoe]

i don't buy any of it...none of it. I am sure she has been brainwashed and will not be able to tell.

yes... as the mother to his children I believe Jaycee became his Queen...because she is a reflection of him in his narcissism by virtue of having his children..

if he is not a pscyopathic rapist, then what is he? a retired psycopathic rapist?

Any implication that this girl was taken because the wife could not have children is also off the mark to my mind. The girl was stun gunned , defiled,raped, abused and kept in what amounts to a refugee prison camp of torture.

In my mind Phillip had his little family, his trollish Egorian wife, his Queen child bride and daughters....but he moved on to the streets, to other endevours...what did he do all day? I beleive he trolled for children and prostitutes. I feel that if he hid his hobbies from them it was only out of his desire for them to worship him in some way.

he's going to turn out to be a killer. I just know it.

 

[jjenny]

Because Jaycee is apparently making corroborating claims. Unless you think she is not telling the truth as well. What he said in the past after his last conviction about how he would act in the future is irrelevant. The jailhouse interview he gave was about the events of the last 18 years, not about his future behaviour or what he thought his future behaviour would have been 20 years ago. If she is essentially saying the same thing as him about certain details, logic follows that those details are most likely correct, unless she is being deceitful. It is allways possible that they might have made a cover story prior to the visit to the parole office, but there is no evidence to support that.

Just because PG is an evil person does not mean that he is lying about everything. It means you can't trust him, but when there is independent corroboration on certain facts, it is not unreasonable to conclude that he is being truthfull on those facts.

Here is this "reformed" character in 2006.

"Betty Unpingco invited the entire neighborhood to her son's graduation party in spring 2006. She said Garrido attended and brought speakers for the party. When Unpingco and several adults noticed him talking to the high school girls, they asked him to leave. Later that night, she said, when they saw him waiting outside his home to speak to the girls, the adults escorted them home.

Feeling uneasy after the party, Unpingco checked the sex offender registry and found Garrido's picture.

"It was just so bizarre," said Unpingco, who has 10 children. "I warned my children to stay away from him and to always walk in twos." She did not notify police."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/index.html

 

[mysteriew]

Here is this "reformed" character in 2006.

"Betty Unpingco invited the entire neighborhood to her son's graduation party in spring 2006. She said Garrido attended and brought speakers for the party. When Unpingco and several adults noticed him talking to the high school girls, they asked him to leave. Later that night, she said, when they saw him waiting outside his home to speak to the girls, the adults escorted them home.

Feeling uneasy after the party, Unpingco checked the sex offender registry and found Garrido's picture.

"It was just so bizarre," said Unpingco, who has 10 children. "I warned my children to stay away from him and to always walk in twos." She did not notify police."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/index.html

No one is saying the man reformed. But when the victim says he stopped, when LE doesn't file charges for that time period then there isn't any evidence that the attacks on Jaycee continued.

Now that is not to say that perhaps he might have turned to other victims. We don't know about that yet. But it is possible.

Besides, even if PG stopped attacking Jaycee, never attacked her daughters, and never attacked anyone else I still wouldn't think of him as "reformed." If he was "reformed" he would want to get Jaycee back in contact with her parents. If he was "reformed" he would want to atone for his crimes. If he was "reformed" he wouldn't make Jaycee and his own two daughters live in a backyard. He would be moving them into safe housing and getting them medical attention and schooling. Reformed, no.

 

[Natal]

Here is this "reformed" character in 2006.

"Betty Unpingco invited the entire neighborhood to her son's graduation party in spring 2006. She said Garrido attended and brought speakers for the party. When Unpingco and several adults noticed him talking to the high school girls, they asked him to leave. Later that night, she said, when they saw him waiting outside his home to speak to the girls, the adults escorted them home.

Feeling uneasy after the party, Unpingco checked the sex offender registry and found Garrido's picture.

"It was just so bizarre," said Unpingco, who has 10 children. "I warned my children to stay away from him and to always walk in twos." She did not notify police."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/index.html

You are missing the point. :banghead:

 

[minazoe]

Jaycee was too old for him to get off like he used to.But he couldn't ever let her go because that would mean prison.

he moved on...probably to children and women he could kill and throw away. No one is going to convince me that this rapist pedophile has been cured of his violent addictions.

no way.

 

[jjenny]

What are the statutes of limitation on rape or child sexual abuse? If the claims are that any sex stopped over 10 years ago -will this make any difference in what he can be prosecuted for?

 

[jjenny]

You are missing the point. :banghead:

What is the point? He's said he had changed his life? He said he had changed his life several decades ago too. As for Jaycee, if she suffers from Stockholm syndrome, do you not think it's possible she could try to protect him?

 

[Natal]

What is the point? He's said he had changed his life? He has been saying that for decades. As for Jaycee, if she suffers from Stockholm syndrome, do you not think it's possible she could try to protect him?

We were talking about JD and the girls. Nothing else.

As far as Stockholm syndrome is concerned, she is no longer in that situation and there isn't any obvious reason for her to lie about that.

 

[mysteriew]

What is the point? He's said he had changed his life? He has been saying that for decades. As for Jaycee, if she suffers from Stockholm syndrome, do you not think it's possible she could try to protect him?

Yes, she could. But if that is so then it is a therapy issue. If she is suppressing further crimes, then she may remember with therapy and it can be dealt with in a safe atmosphere.

But if she is denying it to LE, then it is possible that it stopped. And if it did stop, then how hurtful would it be when everybody believed that she was lying and that it didn't stop like she said? Would she feel like people were calling her a liar? Would she feel like everybody wanted to sensationalize her life? After all she is the one who lived it and knows what happened. Would she feel mimimalized because people didn't feel her story was bad enough when she told the truth, and that people had to make it more sensational than it was?

 

[Natal]

What are the statutes of limitation on rape or child sexual abuse? If the claims are that any sex stopped over 10 years ago -will this make any difference in what he can be prosecuted for?

No, because she was not able to make a complaint due to forcible confinement.

 

[jjenny]

No, because she was not able to make a complaint due to forcible confinement.

What if the claim is made she was kidnapped, but later stayed on her own?

 

[jjenny]

We were talking about JD and the girls. Nothing else.

As far as Stockholm syndrome is concerned, she is no longer in that situation and there isn't any obvious reason for her to lie about that.

From my understanding of it, I don't think Stockholm syndrome just stops after a victim is removed from the situation.

 

[Natal]

I don't think it works that way. Once kidnapped, the assumption of forcible confinement remains in effect until you are released or walk away.

 

[mysteriew]

I think the issue of statute of limitation on the sex crimes will be an issue that will come up at trial. The defense would be crazy not to address that. But regardless, the state has filed the charges and I guess we will hear their reasoning for it at trial.

I too believe that they are using the fact that she was still under PG and NG's control as a reason for extending or bypassing the statute of limitations.