ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#25

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jubillee said:
Honestly how do we know what they did or did not do in regards to his affair. They may have been very opposed to it and said so but at the end of the day he is a grown man and there was very little control his family would have on that situation.
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True, there's always another way too look at it.
 
alicat said:
I clearly missed the logs thing. What thread was it all in, or did it go over a few? Thanks.
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I strongly suggest you do not go there alicat. You do not need to learn about logs, it is nothing relevant. In fact the talk of logs makes some posters ill.

(There was tremendous talk of the damage to the car possibly resulting from hitting a log,The research that went into these koppers logs was boring oh um,astounding)
 
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Hi Kimster, if you haven't had a chance to read yet as you know the bail hearing was postponed. It is meant to be back in court at 10am today Brisbane time(currently it is 310am) at 630am the court list should be updated. I'll be back then to check.
 
Wozzle said:
Itsthevibe: What a tremendous post! Common sense with compassion. And I too looked at that pic of GBC cuffed in the car and saw: terror, humiliation and pain. Who amongst us hasn't done something really rotten in their lives that they regret and think of over the years, wishing it had been different? Of course noone can condone killing, but much as I hope GBC experiences the full wrath of the law, I can't help but looking at him and thinking how absolutely horrendous it must be to be in his shoes. I also find myself thinking that if they're all guilty of either assisting with the 'deed' or at the very least knowing about it, and if they were not fond of Allison (or she of them) then it would have been so hypocritical of them to be bleating to the public in the media....as someone said: they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. It's such a horrible tragedy (including for the BCs) but I feel the most for the SHEs (girls) - innocents who will have to carry this for the rest of their lives, whatever transpires from here on in.

I laughed along with you all to defuse the tension of what was 'going down' (I was imagining each of us grabbling one of Unfoldingtruth's koppers logs and marching on the courthouse in our avatar garb with placards nailed to our logs 'JUSTICE FOR ALLISON' etc. - as a group we could be 'The Koppers', rather than the 'coppers'!!)....and I felt nervous waiting for the hearing as if I was going to give a speech in court myself. I am a bit alarmed at feeling so 'involved' when I know none of the players, but as Hawkins and others have pointed out, we are a very giving and caring society, and often feel the pain of others, whether it be through death, floods, fire etc. etc. (Cynics might say we like to 'suffer' vicariously through others, but I don't subscribe to this view!) I was trying to explain the whole story to my husband this afternoon, and honestly, you couldn't write a book of fiction that is more convoluted. But I really think that we have to oust Occam's Razor and the KISS principle, because IMO it IS going to be ugly and complicated in the end. Why? Everything has already been said before but the police were NEVER looking elsewhere for the perpetrator/s and wouldn't make an arrest without being absolutely bloody sure....it's just too big a case not to have 'enough' before arresting. As to COD - if there was blood in the car as MSM have now told us, then that had to come from somewhere on Allison. If she was strangled or drowned in the bath = no blood, unless she happened to burst a few vessels and bled. Jungle drums and smoke signals have only mentioned these two possible CODs, so where would the blood have come from? I guess if she was stabbed there would have been a great deal of blood evidence, which I don't think is the case. I don't think we can completely dismiss the excision of the hands hypothesis - it's been bandied about a number of times. The SC in court today got as far as saying there had been outrageous claims about GBC. IMO this means that there IS something very ugly or unusual in the whole business. Whether this is premeditation, the collusion of many others, the excision of hands, strangling in the bath and redressing of the body, and even the most recent 'salacious rumour' ie a 'boyfriend' (which has been alluded to a few times before - yes, I've read EVERY post godammit!), IMO SOMETHING is bizarro here......and I'm going to go MAD if we don't find out soon. I'm nothing but a sloth at the moment....just as I was going to 'retire' from WS GBC was arrested!...so on we go! I'm supposed to be editing a book for my BIL, but instead of wondering who is going to play who in the 'movie version' (it's a REALLY good book!) I'm wondering who is going to play who in the movie 'Feet of Clay'!!! Thank you all for being such caring folk - any humour here is JUST diffusion, and I know you all care deeply for Allison and her family, particularly the girls. (Any mob of people gathered together for anything at all squabble and carry on don't they? Forums....families.....workplaces...............................
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Fantastic post! Sums up so much of my feelings and reactions to this case - perfectly.
 
Seeking said:
I can fully understand OW fully supporting her brother if she genuinely believes he is innocent. It is quite possible that she feels the responsibility of being the primary support person for her brother even to protect her parents who (if they are not involved) may be in deep stress/ grief and confusions and this could all be potentially compounded by the possibility of age related health issues. The other brother lives overseas and is less able to help.

It is an incredibly difficult position for OW to be in and probably a lot for her to process and comprehend especially if she is innocent of any involvement or knowledge of what happened. I believe it is right for her to support her brother and her parents. GBC is entitled to a fair trial. Helping her brother through the various trials that will follow will either confirm in her mind his innocence, or help her to comprehend and accept his guilt if he in fact is guilty. I can fully understand her wanting to support her family. That is quite normal. We really don't know what has gone on behind the scenes in terms of relationships between various sides of the family even prior to this horrid crime, or even whether OW has asked GBC directly whether he was involved in Allison's demise or not. We just don't know those things. Perhaps OW has wrestled with herself about whether to help GBC or not and decided that this is the best way forward. Again we don't know.

The person my husband and I supported through a court case we actually had conversations with encouraging him that if he was guilty to just confess. But you have to be careful in these conversations to not discourage and disbelief a person, who if they are indeed innocent of what they have been charged with, is quite likely to be in a significant state of stress and anxiety and disbelief themselves about the situation that they find themselves in. If he said that he was guilty we would have still supported him through the process which in no way would have condoned what he was said to have done. We would have been supporting him not to try and get him off but to deal positively and constructively with what he was faced with.

To support this person through this court case was an incredible demand on my family and also for my husband and I personally. It was a logistical nightmare with our children. But it was something that my husband and I knew that we had to do and we don't regret our support of that person. It took us a long time to get over it. So I do really feel for the Walton's at this time especially if they have absolutely no involvement in this horrid crime. They have been through a lot and it is not likely to be over for some time. If OW genuinely believes that GBC is innocent I believe that she is displaying great courage in supporting him especially given what seems to be public perception of the case and GBC's involvement. Obviously if she is in any way involved or covering up for the family the scenario is quite different.

These are all just my humble opinions as we wait for justice to unfold for Allison.
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Yes, I agree and I have been through something similar, supporting a young person, who got himself into real trouble after 'being in with the wrong crowd' and getting involved in various theft offences. It is a very big commitment but in my case I did it because I believed it was worthwhile for all concerned. Results were he received a jail sentence (which was deserved) but not as severe as it could have been (there were others involved and they more or less left him holding the bag). He's now turned his life around, so a very good outcome. But it was a huge responsiblity and I identified with OW especially when I read the email asking for money. Not in the bit about asking for money as I never did that, but clearly shes started getting involved with the case and trying to assist, and she appears to truly believe in her brothers innocence.

In my case I took on the role of managing all of the issues around our relative being in jail and the court cases etc, it is actually very necessary to have someone who organises everyone and everything as it is a huge job. One thing is that if you dont have unlimited money to pay your lawyers for as many hours as you really need, you can do some of the groundwork to make their job easier, virtually spoon feed them stuff, helpful background info and heaps more. I see OW is starting to take on this role, and she could be the helper, the responsible one who is not told the full story.

Please note, none of my empathetic comments are indicators of my views on who was involved in the murder.

BTW, I could ZZzzzz ........ Oh dear I am so tired, falling asleep at keyboard. Sorry guys! Will continue this another time ............
 
Curiousasacat said:
Hi Kimster, if you haven't had a chance to read yet as you know the bail hearing was postponed. It is meant to be back in court at 10am today Brisbane time(currently it is 310am) at 630am the court list should be updated. I'll be back then to check.
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I did miss that and appreciate the recap!

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Been following since the beginning, but couldn't read all the posts, I'm a single mum with two boys and a dog!, so I don't know if what I have to say has been already noted. Anyway, in the news.com.au article today about the 5 police showing up at NBC-EBC's place, the photo of GBC in the article CLEARLY shows a small circular band-aid/plaster, and a distinctly visible mark under it that looks like stitches.

The previous photos have not been of sufficient quality to blow them up to see detail. The photo of GBC today in the news.com.au, and the Courier Mail articles is of a better quality, and when I made it bigger (I press the control "ctrl" key with the "+" key), the circular band-aid is very, very clearly visible. It is above GBC's right eye, towards the middle.

Such a cut would have been very obvious to the police when they showed up the morning GBC called the police to report Allison's "disappearance". I think that would have been sufficient to have a reasonable suspiscion GBC was involved and there had been some unusual event. I recall GBC's family "explaining" why he had "scratches" on his face. Because he "fell" on his head.

I have subsequently been searching all the photos to see these scratches, as others on WS have, but never felt I found anything with certainty. Either the lines on GBC's face that might have been scratches were a bit tenuous/insignificant, or the photo quality was not sufficient to blow up the photo to see the detail. Today, this photo in this article finally clearly showed me what must have been a deep cut to his head. I'm not sure it looks like it was a scratch made by someone else (doesn't seem too long, but does look deep). IMO, looks more like the result of a fall, or something hard hitting his head. Perhaps, IMO, he fell when he was carrying her body down the stairs of the house, or getting in / out of the boot/trunk of the vehicle. All totally speculation. But at least now I finally see the cut.

The round band-aid/plaster is well camoflaged. Wonder if there is a bit of make up? JMO. But it is clearly visible.

Another night without sleep...and it is almost morning. Searching again through WS and et al, looking into the depths of evil and asking why, how could it have come to this. bless you ABC and girls. I hate to see human dignity fall to such depths, and for these three young girls to be thrust into it all at such an innocent age.

I already dread seeing ABC's life dragged through the proverbially mud in the endless legal proceedings to come. Seeing her in the creek mud was enough. Damn, why can't he confess. jmho. Time to go to bed!
 
marlywings said:
It wouldn't at all surprise me if at some stage down the track she does the old 60mins interview...to add $$$s to the coffer.
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And then they surely wouldn't be able to complain about the media any more!
 
laserdisc10 said:
The media's reported that GBC announced to staff (and his parents were staff) that Allison had learned of his affair with TM, after which TM left, allegedly

That's pretty poor behaviour from a business principal, scoutmaster, husband, father, head of chamber of commerce, etc. and I suspect the parents would have put OW in the loop re: events. What reason would they have not to tell OW? What reason would Allison or even GBC have to not mention it to OW, seeing they were all such a close family unit, even working together
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So, not only would the Pastor Walton congregation and friends be giving money to a possible murderer, but also someone who had been cheating on his wife for a long time. Much more worthy charities I would say!
 
Still nothing on the daily law list in regard to the case but there was this twitter-

Alison Ariotti ‏@AlisonAriotti

No charges have yet been laid over yesterday's bomb hoax at the BNE Supreme Court. ‪#BadenClay‬ bail hearing to resume this morning.
https://twitter.com/AlisonAriotti and

Alison Ariotti ‏@AlisonAriotti

Take 2 for Gerard Baden-Clay's bail hearing today.. After a dramatic bomb scare closed court yesterday. Details @thetodayshow
 
Matilda1 said:
Been following since the beginning, but couldn't read all the posts, I'm a single mum with two boys and a dog!, so I don't know if what I have to say has been already noted. Anyway, in the news.com.au article today about the 5 police showing up at NBC-EBC's place, the photo of GBC in the article CLEARLY shows a small circular band-aid/plaster, and a distinctly visible mark under it that looks like stitches.

The previous photos have not been of sufficient quality to blow them up to see detail. The photo of GBC today in the news.com.au, and the Courier Mail articles is of a better quality, and when I made it bigger (I press the control "ctrl" key with the "+" key), the circular band-aid is very, very clearly visible. It is above GBC's right eye, towards the middle.

Such a cut would have been very obvious to the police when they showed up the morning GBC called the police to report Allison's "disappearance". I think that would have been sufficient to have a reasonable suspiscion GBC was involved and there had been some unusual event. I recall GBC's family "explaining" why he had "scratches" on his face. Because he "fell" on his head.

I have subsequently been searching all the photos to see these scratches, as others on WS have, but never felt I found anything with certainty. Either the lines on GBC's face that might have been scratches were a bit tenuous/insignificant, or the photo quality was not sufficient to blow up the photo to see the detail. Today, this photo in this article finally clearly showed me what must have been a deep cut to his head. I'm not sure it looks like it was a scratch made by someone else (doesn't seem too long, but does look deep). IMO, looks more like the result of a fall, or something hard hitting his head. Perhaps, IMO, he fell when he was carrying her body down the stairs of the house, or getting in / out of the boot/trunk of the vehicle. All totally speculation. But at least now I finally see the cut.

The round band-aid/plaster is well camoflaged. Wonder if there is a bit of make up? JMO. But it is clearly visible.

Another night without sleep...and it is almost morning. Searching again through WS and et al, looking into the depths of evil and asking why, how could it have come to this. bless you ABC and girls. I hate to see human dignity fall to such depths, and for these three young girls to be thrust into it all at such an innocent age.

I already dread seeing ABC's life dragged through the proverbially mud in the endless legal proceedings to come. Seeing her in the creek mud was enough. Damn, why can't he confess. jmho. Time to go to bed!
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Hi Matilda, Interesting. I looked and looked and zoomed but still can't see it : (
 
I did read the last few pages, apologies if this is already posted but I couldn't see it. Personally I'm wondering if this had anything to do with the bomb threat, the timing seems a bit suspect IMO -


DETECTIVES investigating the alleged murder of Allison Baden-Clay returned last night to her in-laws' home where they conducted further searches of their property.

The Courier-Mail can reveal the car owned by Gerard Baden-Clay's parents was searched. Police rifled through the boot and back seat of the couple's silver Holden Statesman about 6pm.

After Nigel and Elaine Baden-Clay walked their dog, they were intercepted by five detectives who spent about an hour with them, mostly inside the house, only coming out briefly about halfway through with Mr Baden-Clay to search the vehicle before leaving about 6.20pm.

The couple's daughter, Olivia Walton, was the only family member to attend the bail application hearing, which had to be rescheduled yesterday after a bomb threat. The hearing will continue today.

more at link


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...ar/story-e6frfkvr-1226404924501#ixzz1ySbXr9Nb
 
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