ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9

[Chorley8]

"In 2004, a charge of fraud, four counts of impersonating an authority, six counts of possession of property obtained by crime and a single count of sex assault were all withdrawn."

Also I previously thanked two posters for explaining this away but I am looking at it again. Four counts of impersonating an authority. I don't understand how that means just his impersonation for the fraud. It sounds like it means impersonating an authority like say a police officer. Am I wrong?

 

[LadyL]

When I Google searched to find a fitting picture of a Jun Lin memorial, I was beyond shocked at some of the images that popped up. Yes, my filters are set to "adult" levels, but for the love of all that's holy, I haven't watched that video and I will never watch it, and I certainly didn't want to see images like that simply from Googling the man's name.

Cannot imagine what his family must be going through.

I was on a (reputable) news site and at the bottom were links to other sites and one of the pictures was a graphic image (which I did not enlarge).

 

[Scientific]

WARNING: GRAPHIC

In response to your question, the tumblr account features various bondage scenes of men and women but mostly men (not Luka). He seems to have been into extreme *advertiser censored*, if this is the stuff he liked. One thing I wondered while viewing the media on this account is whether Luka was punished severely at times while growing up, and if such punishment at times seemed to have a sexual overtone to it. For instance, perhaps he was spanked with his pants pulled down a lot.

has everyone seen his tumblr acc't yet?

I won't link to it b/c there is *advertiser censored* there & to be honest I quickly backed out as soon as I saw that so I don't really know what else is there

he's listed under "luka100magnotta" for those curious or brave enough

 

[ynotdivein]

A poll might be interesting:

1. watched the video
2. did not (& never will) watch the video
3. haven't watched but might in the future
4. started watching but couldn't continue
5. watched repeatedly for sleuthing purposes

Could a moderator possibly put up the poll? Apparently I don't have sufficient privileges.

Agree that a poll might be interesting... but at WS we must always balance "what is interesting" against "what is most respectful of the victims we are here to support".

Right now such a poll, however well-intentioned, seems disrespectful of the victim.

 

[LadyL]

"In 2004, a charge of fraud, four counts of impersonating an authority, six counts of possession of property obtained by crime and a single count of sex assault were all withdrawn."

Also I previously thanked two posters for explaining this away but I am looking at it again. Four counts of impersonating an authority. I don't understand how that means just his impersonation for the fraud. It sounds like it means impersonating an authority like say a police officer. Am I wrong?

the problem is we don't know the details so we could speculate until the cows come home and still be no further ahead

maybe he phoned the victim (or sent her an email) pretending to be the bank or credit card co. - in that case I would think he would be impersonating an authority SWIM about speculation?

 

[Chorley8]

Based on various postings around the web that LRM left behind, including one in early October 2009 stating that he resided in Ajax, Ontario (about a 30 min drive away from 88 Erskin, Toronto), and also another in June reporting that he lived in Toronto. It's highly probable that during this time 88 Erskin was his address. Prior to June 2009, he seems to claim residence in Miami (although whether this is true is anyone's guess).

We are still building up a picture of his addresses so I think this poster is vindicated it is a serious post. Peter Parker has nothing on this period not blaming him what he did is great. We need more info on his whereabouts that he was in Toronto in Fall 2009 may turn out to be right or wrong but I thank them for the seriously intended info.

Question: I know police are concentrating on this case first but when normally would LM's DNA and fingerprints get put into databases of unsolved crimes in any country he visited? Am I correct they did not have his fingerprints before this case?

 

[Mozzmo]

Mr. Hays describes gay culture as: "egomaniacal, narcissistic, shallow, pretty, under 30".... These adjectives fit problematic components of Western culture in general. I don't doubt that these capitalistically driven traits are plentifully present within gay culture...BUT, they are plentifully present throughout culture. Mr. Hays describes the gay community using these perjoratives to the exclusion of the rest culture. This negative description only fans the flames of prejudice that makes life difficult for gays. Honesty should include ACCURACY!

 

[LadyL]

WARNING: GRAPHIC

In response to your question, the tumblr account features various bondage scenes of men and women but mostly men (not Luka). He seems to have been into extreme *advertiser censored*, if this is the stuff he liked. One thing I wondered while viewing the media on this account is whether Luka was punished severely at times while growing up, and if such punishment at times seemed to have a sexual overtone to it. For instance, perhaps he was spanked with his pants pulled down a lot.

was there anything else on there, such as his ramblings? I saw one line posted by him on the front page where there are several of the same images but it didn't seem significant

I was wondering if he blogged anything ...

thank you for viewing it for those who don't want to

 

[LadyL]

Agree that a poll might be interesting... but at WS we must always balance "what is interesting" against "what is most respectful of the victims we are here to support".

Right now such a poll, however well-intentioned, seems disrespectful of the victim.

oops, that was insensitive of me

sorry )-;

 

[LadyL]

Mr. Hays describes gay culture as: "egomaniacal, narcissistic, shallow, pretty, under 30".... These adjectives fit problematic components of Western culture in general. I don't doubt that these capitalistically driven traits are plentifully present within gay culture...BUT, they are plentifully present throughout culture. Mr. Hays describes the gay community using these perjoratives to the exclusion of the rest culture. This negative description only fans the flames of prejudice that makes life difficult for gays. Honesty should include ACCURACY!

I thought he was describing his perspective as a gay man. Am I wrong?

 

[newsleuth88]

Mr. Hays describes gay culture as: "egomaniacal, narcissistic, shallow, pretty, under 30".... These adjectives fit problematic components of Western culture in general. I don't doubt that these capitalistically driven traits are plentifully present within gay culture...BUT, they are plentifully present throughout culture. Mr. Hays describes the gay community using these perjoratives to the exclusion of the rest culture. This negative description only fans the flames of prejudice that makes life difficult for gays. Honesty should include ACCURACY!

Well we'll have to agree to disagree, I didn't get the impression he was excluding any other culture from experiencing these types of things - but as the author seems to be a gay man himself, it would appear that he is writing from experience. I certainly will not be turning the next 10 pages into a back and forth on the matter. I've been dismayed at how many posts seem to centralize on proving a point rather than helping research the case/benefit the victim. I thought it was an interesting article; take it or leave it.

 

[ynotdivein]

oops, that was insensitive of me

sorry )-;

Nope, it was inquisitive of you. Every case here is different, and for the most part, we all just do the best that we can given the facts at hand.

 

[Scientific]

*MORE ABOUT *advertiser censored**

If you scroll past the pornographic posts there are pictures of Luka and each photo is posted twice. It's his signature posting style. One of the posts is itself posted at least twice with two copies of the same photo in each of the posts. He seemed to have really liked that photo. And the second version of the photo is zoomed in and narrowed (to appear thinner or for his manhood to appear longer?) with his crotch area made the central focal point, although he is dressed. It's almost as if he is turned on by his own image or imagines someone stumbling upon his account and being turned on and that makes him in turn quite happy. He probably began the account as yet another account for photos of himself and then on a whim switched to using it to store favorite *advertiser censored* images. Granted, I'm working from memory here, but I think I'm remembering the site correctly.

In any case, few words posted from Luka here--mostly photos of others followed with photos of himself.

was there anything else on there, such as his ramblings? I saw one line posted by him on the front page where there are several of the same images but it didn't seem significant

I was wondering if he blogged anything ...

thank you for viewing it for those who don't want to

 

[Meowen]

is it normal to fantasize or daydream about killing your loved one/boyfriend/partner/whatever even though in reality you have no desire to do that?

Is simply wondering how it would feel and what would come next unnatural?
it is something I personally think about once in awhile..I really don't want to do it at all but it's something I have thought about.
I know for a fact I could not and would not ever do such a thing but occasionally my mind wanders and for example i'll be looking at my boyfriend standing with his back to me in the kitchen and wonder what it would be like to just stab him in the back or something.

I know it's a very dark feeling and again i would never do it but why does it even cross my mind? am I really inherently evil? is it possible that I could snap and go from daydreaming about it to actually doing it? In my mind I know i could never ever ever do something like that...hell I would rather crash my car than run over a squirrel.... makes me wonder what the psychology of someone like LRM is...if things like this even cross my mind.

 

[Sillybilly]

I posted this over in the Mariam Makhniashvili thread as well, but LRM was living at an apartment on 88 Erskin Ave, Toronto in mid to late 2009, only a six minute walk from where Mariam disappeared (Sept 09). She was last seen riding a red mountain bike in the Roehampton Ave. and Redpath Ave. area. Curious.

<bbm>

I have previously thought the Erskine Av address is of interest, but have to say ... I followed Mariam's case from the beginning, am very familiar with it, and this is the first i've heard mention of ANYTHING related to a red mountain bike related to her disappearance. Don't know where that came from, but IMO, it is mis-information.

ETA: FYI, it was her brother George who went missing for a day or so ... on a red mountain bike, from Roehampton and Redpath area.

 

[Scientific]

I know that people have these momentary instinctual flashes of rage where they picture doing things they would never do. And that the mind can randomly play with ideas even though a person has no intention of carrying out such acts. You are probably just worried overly much after dwelling on this case for a while. It's a pretty trippy case. Luka's crime was clearly premeditated and he was fairly organized in his execution of the murder. So, what you are describing is nothing like what went through his head as far as I can tell. His dark thoughts were drawn out and elaborated--not just momentary flashes. Even if he carried out the murder just to get attention, and not out of some sadistic impulse, he was very different from you in that he wanted attention for such things more than he worried about whether they were normal or right.

is it normal to fantasize or daydream about killing your loved one/boyfriend/partner/whatever even though in reality you have no desire to do that?

Is simply wondering how it would feel and what would come next unnatural?
it is something I personally think about once in awhile..I really don't want to do it at all but it's something I have thought about.
I know for a fact I could not and would not ever do such a thing but occasionally my mind wanders and for example i'll be looking at my boyfriend standing with his back to me in the kitchen and wonder what it would be like to just stab him in the back or something.

I know it's a very dark feeling and again i would never do it but why does it even cross my mind? am I really inherently evil? is it possible that I could snap and go from daydreaming about it to actually doing it? In my mind I know i could never ever ever do something like that...hell I would rather crash my car than run over a squirrel.... makes me wonder what the psychology of someone like LRM is...if things like this even cross my mind.

 

[OEJ]

Luka probably "suffered" from (immensely enjoyed) a number of paraphilias from an early age. In one of his photo accounts, he had a photo of a Great White shark with a caption that said his first sexual memory was seeing the shark eat someone on the movie, Jaws when he was 8 years old.

Just guessing, but I believe Luka has a long history of sexual fantasies about sadomasochism, zoophilia (bestiality), coprophilia (eating feces), necrophilia, piquerism (piercing flesh), among other things.

This doesn't sound like what you are describing.

I hope this helps. I thought it was very brave of you to ask the question. I hope everything works out okay for you.

is it normal to fantasize or daydream about killing your loved one/boyfriend/partner/whatever even though in reality you have no desire to do that?

Is simply wondering how it would feel and what would come next unnatural?
it is something I personally think about once in awhile..I really don't want to do it at all but it's something I have thought about.
I know for a fact I could not and would not ever do such a thing but occasionally my mind wanders and for example i'll be looking at my boyfriend standing with his back to me in the kitchen and wonder what it would be like to just stab him in the back or something.

I know it's a very dark feeling and again i would never do it but why does it even cross my mind? am I really inherently evil? is it possible that I could snap and go from daydreaming about it to actually doing it? In my mind I know i could never ever ever do something like that...hell I would rather crash my car than run over a squirrel.... makes me wonder what the psychology of someone like LRM is...if things like this even cross my mind.

 

[claudicici]

I also think it's brave to ask Meowen ,I wonder do you only get that feeling about that one person?
Do you resend this person deep down? Maybe your subconscience is trying to tell you something that needs to be discussed in the open?

I never had that feeling but I have to confess that I sometimes "daydream" about being the victim ???? Like of course I don't want that to happen in actuality and I can't explain it too myself.It makes me sick when that happens,I guess our mind works in mysterious ways,trying to deal with trauma or subconscious issues?

But how like in the case of Luka can it go soo far,he must have known and wondered about his issues? Did he seek help? How did he justify what he did in his mind?
How can it be prevented that someone goes from fantasy to reality?

 

[Chorley8]

Query: the Encyclopedia Dramatica article with the link to the quasi-academic paper which is a defense of necrophilia quoting philosophers Hume and Reid and Derek Parfit's work on Identity - is this a spoof by E.D. or something else?

It has L.M.'s name all over the page and a preface about his early love for two dead men. There is a section in German. What is this? No doubt this has been discussed before can't find it thanks if you can help me out. Unsure if it is a "real" link or if it is all satire. I feel a bit stupid I suppose I should be able to figure this out.

 

[OEJ]

Yeah, I think our minds have minds of their own sometimes. Thinking about killing someone could just mean they've pushed you past a breaking point or thinking about being a victim could mean we'd like someone else to take all our responsibilities because we're overwhelmed.

I do think Luka has thought about his own problems all along. I think he probably explored his differences from other people in-depth. I'm sure he wondered why other people were feeling, or not feeling, things in a way that were so different from his own.

There are other Lukas in the world who go to counseling and take medications, and check themselves into the hospital when they are feeling dangerous. They know the difference between right and wrong, and they do what's right. Not like Luka who thinks he gets to do whatever he wants.

I also think it's brave to ask Meowen ,I wonder do you only get that feeling about that one person?
Do you resend this person deep down? Maybe your subconscience is trying to tell you something that needs to be discussed in the open?

I never had that feeling but I have to confess that I sometimes "daydream" about being the victim ???? Like of course I don't want that to happen in actuality and I can't explain it too myself.It makes me sick when that happens,I guess our mind works in mysterious ways,trying to deal with trauma or subconscious issues?

But how like in the case of Luka can it go soo far,he must have known and wondered about his issues? Did he seek help? How did he justify what he did in his mind?
How can it be prevented that someone goes from fantasy to reality?