ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge;INTERPOL alert #5

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as far as law goes....i dont think there is a defined line....and i think they realize this now....im sure there are numerous court battles over what is obscene and what rights victims have....laws and decisions in courts are constantly evolving as things come up....

im just afraid that the line will get moved soooooooooooooo far to one side (censorship side) because of the outrage of this case.....
while you can go anywhere online and watch people having sex w/ animals....and dont see anyone taking those sites down...

the line is all blury and all over the place....

Prima face I totally agree, I personally dont want censorship of the net....because I know once they start it will never end.

So I am at a loss as I think everyone will be as to what to do.....this murder was specifically made for the net.

My father was a policeman and he still has his police journals......I found them as a kid and my brother and sister and other kids all looked at them, I did quite often.........They had up to date murder pics and suicides etc, uuuggh but then being a policemans daughter I learnt alot about real life quite young (a country australian cop) and I know you can see these pics very easily online and in books

But to have a murder in progress............I think that is what it is, the fact that it was filmed live.....is one thing for me that should not be able to be seen.
 
I've alluded to this in almost every thread, I am pretty sure I've used that exact language when mentioning it. It is not new information, I've mentioned it for days.

First time I picked up on it, HastingsChi, and I pay attention to your posts. You are well written and appear well schooled and intelligent.
 
I've alluded to this in almost every thread, I am pretty sure I've used that exact language when mentioning it. It is not new information, I've mentioned it for days.

Well pardon me while I sleuth your old posts :) Clearly subtlety is lost on me.
 
Hi guys,

I've been reading the forum throughout this story as a guest. First of all, great job on everything and for dealing with this whole thing with a level of maturity sadly missing elsewhere.

I wanted to throw a theory your way and see what you think...

We know this guy has travelled a LOT, despite never seemingly accumulating a level of personal wealth. We know this guy has been openly 'for rent' - be it as a prostitute or whatever else.

Part of me just wonders if this was a guy advertising himself as being willing to do 'anything' for a client. First of all it was perhaps just rough sex, bondage or whatever. One day a client maybe asks him to do something a bit more quirky. Words spreads that there's this guy willing to do anything.

We've all seen what he's supposedly been willing to do 'for his master'. It seems nothing was out of bounds for this guy, especially if it pays well. Soon he's getting offers from people abroad... the kind of people looking for someone willing to do 'anything' for their perverted entertainment. Russia... Columbia... these are the kinds of places LRM was visiting.

Eventually someone asks him to do some sick things, film it, and send over the video. In return he gets the free 'business' trip, some plastic surgery perhaps, some fancy expensive 'brand name' clothing and a decent payment. Initially it's animals, but the pays good and he's getting away with it.

If this was the case, maybe it worked alongside his craving for fame. When he started doing the smaller job, it was to pay the way until he became the model/actor or whatever it was he so longed to be. Then when he started to branch into maniacal acts of cruelty, he saw a way to create fame in a different way.

I just feel like as insane as this guy was, there could be something lurking in the background that inspired these acts. That maybe all along he was receiving some form of aid or finance, because it was all part of a job. Maybe he was - at one time - working for members of the Russian mafia... providing them with a service of some kind whether is was as a prostitute, slave, or film maker. I wonder if there's a layer to all of this - possibly involving the deep web - that is yet to be discovered? Maybe LRM is just a pawn in a bigger game? Perhaps there are other LRM's out there, they just stay underground and don't crave attention? When he talks of injustice, is it a split personality or does he truly believe he's not responsible - he's just following instructions? An employee? Was he working for someone this entire time?

I just see all these images of the guy in Russia... France... South America... England, plans to travel to Austraia etc... and don't see how life as a humble male escort could provide that. Sure, the guy was crazy enough to do all of this stuff on a whim, but why was he travelling all over the place? Why is he holding a python of identical kind in South America to the ones in the kitten video - clearly shot in a different continent?

IDK - just a theory I wanted to throw out there. He may just be a cruel maniac who thought so little of life and wanted to shock the internet. Or maybe arresting this guy needs to simply be the first step in a greater investigation?

I'm also a huge dog person and I struggle to sleep at night thinking about what happened to the puppy in the latest video. Not to mention the countless other dogs he was photographed with over the years. I know someone posted photobucket accounts and I had the misfortune of witnessing what appeared to be some further animal cruelty to a dog, images that will probably take a lifetime to evaporate - if ever. He also spoke in interviews about 'losing' a dog (or a dog being killed) due to the false rumours linking him with Karla Homolka. More than anything right now I just want to hear this guy say he was paid to kill those kittens and otherwise has never harmed an animal before.

:Welcome1:

Well thought out theory and well written. Thanks! I think a few others definitely feel he was paid. The way you described it is very much how life is......one thing leads to another.
 
Oh, re: Dr Drew - When Joe W. was talking about the interview with LM and how he was concerned he didn't blink he mentioned LM's agent. I believe the context was that he was concerned about LM and his lack of blinking but was told by the agent that it was because of his meds? Or because he needed his meds? Did anyone catch that?
 
Well pardon me while I sleuth your old posts :) Clearly subtlety is lost on me.

I found it more important and appropriate to share the specifics of what was discovered with the authorities; you can't imagine how disappointed I was when none of the folks spoken with uttered the spoken interjection "Eh!"...
 
Just to go off topic....you were talking about "bath salts" before.....it has been on all our current affairs shows in the last couple of days...probably because of another lovely gentleman trying to eat someones face.....

I dont know if it has hit here yet, but in Australia we tend to follow America with trends.

I am truly scared.
 
I have looked but cant seem to find them stating they have the Non edited Kill Video.

Im hoping they do have it. but i think people are just speculating.

I think they just have the RAW video. Meaning the format it was uploaded to the gore site.

EXP;; you upload a mpeg from your phone to youtube and youtube converts compresses it into a flash video to steam online

there are numerous articles/quotes linked in this thread where LE say they have it....
 
Oh, re: Dr Drew - When Joe W. was talking about the interview with LM and how he was concerned he didn't blink he mentioned LM's agent. I believe the context was that he was concerned about LM and his lack of blinking but was told by the agent that it was because of his meds? Or because he needed his meds? Did anyone catch that?

Apparently Joe Warmington is not aware of the existence of Google because he's mentioned several times how he "didn't know about the kittens"... (remember Warmington interviewed Magnotta in 2007 but apparently missed the hubbub about "the kittens" which his paper, the Toronto Sun, covered).
 
Apparently Joe Warmington is not aware of the existence of Google because he's mentioned several times how he "didn't know about the kittens"... (remember Warmington interviewed Magnotta in 2007 but apparently missed the hubbub about "the kittens" which his paper, the Toronto Sun, covered).

Wasn't it the Sun in the UK that discovered the kittens and interviewed LM about them?
 
I have looked but cant seem to find them stating they have the Non edited Kill Video.

Im hoping they do have it. but i think people are just speculating.

I think they just have the RAW video. Meaning the format it was uploaded to the gore site.

EXP;; you upload a mpeg from your phone to youtube and youtube converts compresses it into a flash video to steam online

here ya go....

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-helped-montreal-police-identify-suspect?bn=1

"Lafreniere also confirmed police have a “raw” version of the infamous video of the murder that was posted to the Internet. That version was visibly edited. It shows the perpetrator repeatedly stabbing the victim with an ice pick, then cutting up the body."

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Ok I have a very censored screen shot of the "dog" but I have no clue how to get it on here....anyone? It is NOT graphic at all I have cropped everything out.
 
I have looked but cant seem to find them stating they have the Non edited Kill Video.

Im hoping they do have it. but i think people are just speculating.

I think they just have the RAW video. Meaning the format it was uploaded to the gore site.

EXP;; you upload a mpeg from your phone to youtube and youtube converts compresses it into a flash video to steam online



They are not referring to format. They have the unedited video.
 
Wasn't it the Sun in the UK that discovered the kittens and interviewed LM about them?

Yes the UK Sun did cover it but, I'll have to find the article link, but the Toronto Sun did as well.

Joe Warmington, does he always look like that or was he going for the disheveled look? If his goal was disheveled, home run Mr Warmington, home run.
 
In the movie "Seven", a severed head was delivered to one of the investigators in a box. The person who received the head, knew who's head it was. I am really hoping he didn't do something similar to this........
 
Ok I have a very censored screen shot of the "dog" but I have no clue how to get it on here....anyone? It is NOT graphic at all I have cropped everything out.

go to your profile and upload it to your album...
 
Yup now I'm 98% sure it's "Beavis Butthead"

post 224 from that thread:

"I know he has been LINKED to those kitten killings. While that is horrible, do you know how many animals are euthanized in this country EVERY YEAR? FOUR MILLION ...and most of those are kittens."

post from "Beavis Butthead" four days ago:

"It is ironic that Luka wasn't famous for his modeling. What he IS famous for are the many videos that people have created for years trying to link him to the kitten killings. While that IS horrible, people should stop and think that FOUR MILLION cats and dogs are euthanized in this country EVERY YEAR! - and most of them are kittens."

Yes, there is no question that this is the "Beavis Butthead"

His youtube: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc37CtjNQHaX1o10AJ0Uoiw

As griffon points out, the comments are very, very, similar to Beavis Butthead's comments.

Moreover, at Reply 255 (of the DataLounge Thread), the "Anonymous" poster talks about Kris Sims:

And please stop with this Kirs Simsesque slanderous nonsense of accusing me of being "Luka" the gay, pornstar, necrophiliac, cannibal, serial killer who is bi, not a necrophiliac, not a cannibal, and not a serial killer

Source: http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=11631297#page:showThread,11631297,13

Kris Sims is that Toronto Sun News reporter that "Beavis Butthead" has targeted and defamed with posts and videos on his Youtube channel.

No question, that is Beavis Butthead.

I know that we have to now conclude that BB is not LRM, but I wonder if he is more involved than just being a first class troll?

Early on when I was following Beavis Butthead's youtube.com channel, in his comment feed he had an old comment (from maybe a few weeks ago) on a video of posted by another youtube user, which appeared to show someone with a facial tic problem. The video was posted by the user "Stldetrl" (http://www.youtube.com/user/Stldetrl), and it was almost certainly a video of LRM.

The bizarre thing, was that the video only had like 10 views and Beavis Butthead commented on it, thanking another commentator for posting a comment. It seemed almost as if Beavis Butthead had forgotten to log into the proper sockpuppet with the comment.

Both the video, and the comment, however, are now gone. But many posters to Beavis Butthead's youtube channel saw it. For example, one person posted this comment to Stldetrl's page:

dear loonie luka. you were too slow on deleting that facial tic video. I already forwarded all the evidence to the rcmp days ago.

See it here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Stldetrl/feed?filter=1

Basically, I thought Beavis Butthead's bizarre questions about the case on his Youtube channel-- many of which mirrored statements made on obvious LRM sockpuppet accounts-- along with the randomness of Beavis Butthead posting a comment on an obscure video of a LRM (with a facial tic!) suggested he was LRM.

With LRM arrested and BB still posting, he's obviously not LRM-- but he seems much closer to this than your average troll. I mean, why is spamming his questions to youtube, and now the data lounge? Why the weird complimentary posts, "rating" LRM's looks? Why delete the comment on the LRM facial tic video?

I also found BB's comments about the case, very similar to comments about videos uploaded to the HollyWoodLoveLetters Youtube account, which other websleuths have flagged as potential LRM sockpuppets.

Unfortunately, HollywoodLoveLetters' videos are now private; so it cant' be LRM making these changes to accounts via a Berlin prison...
 
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