ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 2

[otto]

Taco Stein said he didn't see the photos himself. How would a photo really prove whether or not someone was willing, especially given the fact that she could have been drugged?

JR gave a graphic description in the press that all that was shown in some were "organs". How would they know she was a willing participant in those photos? Taco Stein didn't see the photos but a small time local press knows specifics details about the photos?

It's irresponsible for someone in authority to say she looked like a willing participant when they don't know if she was drugged in them.

JMHO

What we know is that GVG said that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill ... presumably that was the night before, perhaps as late as 2 AM (as that is when she posted "this sucks"). I would be surprised if Robyn took a sleeping pill in the morning. At this time, there is nothing to suggest that she was drugged during the photos. Photos of drugged people would be different than photos of awake, alert people. Taco Stein has said that she does not appear to be an unwilling participant ... and indeed, looking at some of her modeling shots ... she does seem to be promoting certain assets that may be popular in *advertiser censored* modeling.

It wasn't said that "all the photos show is organs". What has been said is that the photos were "beyond pornographic" and that they depicted "organs". They probably depicted more than just that, but that is the most shocking of the photo's content.

I think it can be rather obvious when looking at someone whether they are a willing participant or not ... it's usually quite evident in the expression in someone's eyes.

 

[Redgoblin]

What we know is that GVG said that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill ... presumably that was the night before, perhaps as late as 2 AM (as that is when she posted "this sucks"). I would be surprised if Robyn took a sleeping pill in the morning. At this time, there is nothing to suggest that she was drugged during the photos. Photos of drugged people would be different than photos of awake, alert people. Taco Stein has said that she does not appear to be an unwilling participant ... and indeed, looking at some of her modeling shots ... she does seem to be promoting certain assets that may be popular in *advertiser censored* modeling.

It wasn't said that "all the photos show is organs". What has been said is that the photos were "beyond pornographic" and that they depicted "organs". They probably depicted more than just that, but that is the most shocking of the photo's content.

I think it can be rather obvious when looking at someone whether they are a willing participant or not ... it's usually quite evident in the expression in someone's eyes.

Are you suggesting that she may have been asleep, or unconscious / or even dead when the pictures were taken?

 

[kljohnson0458]

What we know is that GVG said that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill ... presumably that was the night before, perhaps as late as 2 AM (as that is when she posted "this sucks"). I would be surprised if Robyn took a sleeping pill in the morning. At this time, there is nothing to suggest that she was drugged during the photos. Photos of drugged people would be different than photos of awake, alert people. Taco Stein has said that she does not appear to be an unwilling participant ... and indeed, looking at some of her modeling shots ... she does seem to be promoting certain assets that may be popular in *advertiser censored* modeling.

It wasn't said that "all the photos show is organs". What has been said is that the photos were "beyond pornographic" and that they depicted "organs". They probably depicted more than just that, but that is the most shocking of the photo's content.

I think it can be rather obvious when looking at someone whether they are a willing participant or not ... it's usually quite evident in the expression in someone's eyes.

:clap: I agree 100%. It wasn't said that ALL photo were of organs so I agree that if there are poses by RG it would be evident she was a willing participant. Given the fact that her BF she left behind to go with GG said she had a very obvious problem with alcohol, she is probably feeling pretty relaxed in the pics.

 

[annalia]

What we know is that GVG said that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill ... presumably that was the night before, perhaps as late as 2 AM (as that is when she posted "this sucks"). I would be surprised if Robyn took a sleeping pill in the morning. At this time, there is nothing to suggest that she was drugged during the photos. Photos of drugged people would be different than photos of awake, alert people. Taco Stein has said that she does not appear to be an unwilling participant ... and indeed, looking at some of her modeling shots ... she does seem to be promoting certain assets that may be popular in *advertiser censored* modeling.

It wasn't said that "all the photos show is organs". What has been said is that the photos were "beyond pornographic" and that they depicted "organs". They probably depicted more than just that, but that is the most shocking of the photo's content.

I think it can be rather obvious when looking at someone whether they are a willing participant or not ... it's usually quite evident in the expression in someone's eyes.

Those modeling shots weren't *advertiser censored*. have you ever seen a fashion mag, looked at actresses and their "enhancements"?

And JR's exact words were;

“You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-robyn-gardner-found-suspect-s-digital-camera

So yes, JR most certainly did say that in some there were only organs shown in the photo. I never said it was in all of them.

Also wasn't it reported that GG said that Robyn had taken sleeping pills "that day" and not last night?

 

[otto]

I reviewed the traveller's insurance policy. Here are some key points:







These points reflect that it is not incriminating that GG contacted AMEX regarding his traveller's insurance policy a couple of days after her disappearance.



By GG's own statements, he has made the accidental death policy null and void. If he had truly premeditated to kill RG to collect a 1.5 million dollar payout, he would have been very careful to not negate the policy by stating she had been drinking and had taken sleeping pills before going snorkeling.

My conclusion is that this insurance policy is NOT a motive, and that this has nothing to do with her death.

https://secure.cmax.americanexpress...ument/AETI_Sample_Annual_Base_Certificate.pdf

Interesting ... thanks for posting this information. The fact that the staff in the cafe said that she appeared woozy, and GVG's own statements that she had taken a sleeping pill (presumably the night before) and had consumed some vodka (although we don't know how much) before she ate a meal, could make the entire claim nul and void. The detail could be in how many vodka drinks she had before her meal. If she was not over the legal limit, then it may not matter.

 

[otto]

Are you suggesting that she may have been asleep, or unconscious / or even dead when the pictures were taken?

I'm saying that according to Taco Stein, who has not seen the pictures but has discussed them with investigators, Robyn does not appear to be an unwilling participant in the photos. That means she is a alive, conscious and appears okay with having the photos taken.

 

[otto]

:clap: I agree 100%. It wasn't said that ALL photo were of organs so I agree that if there are poses by RG it would be evident she was a willing participant. Given the fact that her BF she left behind to go with GG said she had a very obvious problem with alcohol, she is probably feeling pretty relaxed in the pics.

True. Another point that I keep in mind is that she and the boyfriend split up, although she told him on Aug 2 at 3 PM that she wanted to get back together. RF did not know that Robyn was dating GVG at the same time that she was dating him (for over a year), he didn't know that she was going to Aruba with GVG and it seems he was completely oblivious to many aspects of her life.

Regarding her possible drowning, he has first said that she would not go into the water and, if she did go into the water, she was a strong swimmer. Essentially what he is saying is that she couldn't have drowned regardless of whether she went into the water ... essentially he is pointing all fingers at GVG - but he is also the cuckholded boyfriend.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Regarding the photos, it has been speculated that GG worked in the *advertiser censored* industry and was taking these photos to sell them. I don't believe this. I think he wanted them for his personal collection to fantasize about, etc. at later times alone, and also use them as blackmail if needed at a later date on RG like he has done with past girlfriends, putting them in neighbor mailboxes and such.

 

[otto]

Those modeling shots weren't *advertiser censored*. have you ever seen a fashion mag, looked at actresses and their "enhancements"?

And JR's exact words were;

“You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-robyn-gardner-found-suspect-s-digital-camera

So yes, JR most certainly did say that in some there were only organs shown in the photo. I never said it was in all of them.

Also wasn't it reported that GG said that Robyn had taken sleeping pills "that day" and not last night?

If only organs were depicted in the photos, it would be impossible to conclude that the photos were of Robyn.

I don't know anything about sleeping pills, but is it normal for people that take them to use them during the day?

 

[Starfish]

Which brings to mind, I haven't heard any report of diving or snorkle gear. If they both were actually in the water, was he found with any equipment? I'm also not seeing how she could've just been "swept away", gear and all.........especially in calm water.

:waitasec:

MOO

The swept away part I don't get either, but as far as Robyn's gear, it would still be on her.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

True. Another point that I keep in mind is that she and the boyfriend split up, although she told him on Aug 2 at 3 PM that she wanted to get back together. RF did not know that Robyn was dating GVG at the same time that she was dating him (for over a year), he didn't know that she was going to Aruba with GVG and it seems he was completely oblivious to many aspects of her life.

Regarding her possible drowning, he has first said that she would not go into the water and, if she did go into the water, she was a strong swimmer. Essentially what he is saying is that she couldn't have drowned regardless of whether she went into the water ... essentially he is pointing all fingers at GVG - but he is also the cuckholded boyfriend.

Strangely enough considering how much I've studied this case I can't recall ever hearing that RG and RF were split up. Do you remember where you saw that?

 

[Starfish]

I remember from Natalee's case something about our cell phones not working in Aruba.

That's probably true, we bought a phone that we use just for when we go to Bonaire. Although our friends that live there told us that because we have T-Mobile if we went to the T-Mobile on the island we could have our phones activated to use there. IDK, we never tried it, too afraid of losing our phones & all the info on the c cards.

 

[Dushi]

If only organs were depicted in the photos, it would be impossible to conclude that the photos were of Robyn.

I don't know anything about sleeping pills, but is it normal for people that take them to use them during the day?

No, usually they are taken at bedtime

 

[Kamille]

Sorry if this has been asked but I've just been trying to get caught up with this case in the past couple of days.

Were the clothes that RG was wearing in the restaurant found? If so, where were they found? In the car? Did it appear that they had both removed clothing down to their swimwear before going snorkelling? Did the witnesses in the restaurant notice if RG was even wearing a swimsuit under her clothing?

 

[Starfish]

Now I know why she said "this sucks"

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Dushi]

About sleeping pills...
I don't know a lot about them but i have taken one occasionally
If I don't get enough sleep, I am very groggy the next day
The last thing i would do would be to drink vodka
I would be out cold

 

[Dushi]

Sorry if this has been asked but I've just been trying to get caught up with this case in the past couple of days.

Were the clothes that RG was wearing in the restaurant found? If so, where were they found? In the car? Did it appear that they had both removed clothing down to their swimwear before going snorkelling? Did the witnesses in the restaurant notice if RG was even wearing a swimsuit under her clothing?

OMG!! What a great question
Does anyone know????????/

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Sorry if this has been asked but I've just been trying to get caught up with this case in the past couple of days.

Were the clothes that RG was wearing in the restaurant found? If so, where were they found? In the car? Did it appear that they had both removed clothing down to their swimwear before going snorkelling? Did the witnesses in the restaurant notice if RG was even wearing a swimsuit under her clothing?

It's been reported that she was only wearing a bathing suit, and that GG was wearing street clothes. The bathing suit has not been found.

This later photo of GG does show him in swimming trunks.

 

[Starfish]

We've heard at least 3 different versions from the media on who the beneficiary is:

1. GG
2. RG's mother
3. GG's mother

I just read today on court tv's website that gg's mother was the beneficiary on his policy and that no info given on the beneficiary of Robyn's policy. Link below.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/08/18/aruba.missing.woman/index.html?hpt=ju_c2

 

[Dogface]

One thing that just crossed my mind in regards to the sleeping pill(s) is the fact that often time people will take them and have sex while on them(it was reported Tiger Woods was doing this with his mistresses). So it could have been a lifestyle habit and not necessarily to do with sleep. And perhaps I have missed it somewhere, but was she prescribed these pills?If not, where did they come from?