ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 3

[annalia]

Two very interesting comments posted here.

The dress---it was the last thing she had on . So where is it. She had to take it off to snorkel. Have the authorities recovered it? If not how is GG explaining it not being in his car or her belongings. That's gone off a cliff with Robyn?IF

Life insurance policy for 1.5 million! Why would GG take out this huge policy, if he planned to do something to Robyn--It is the perfect red flag for premeditation. He may be a lot of things, but I do not think he is "stupid"

My bolding

He may have been desperate though, desperate people do desperate things.

 

[Magdalyn]

Question for the group: If GG actually did put her in the water, do you find it odd that nothing has washed up? That we know of, anyway? Wouldn't you think that there would be something, like the dress, a shoe, a piece of jewelry, etc?

If she was fed to the sharks, would they leave nothing behind? I don't know, I'm asking. I guess that if she was put in the ocean, he may have undressed her first, but that would mean that her clothing and personal effects would have to have been stashed somewhere, right? :waitasec: JMO.

Well I can tell you that if I buried a body in my backyard, the last thing I would tell LE is that the last place I saw the person was in my backyard...

 

[otto]

I think he may have lured her somewhere to do a photo shoot ... so maybe the best place to look is on a remote road near a dramatic and dangerous backdrop. The dress is a good question, but if he lured her for a photo shoot then the dress was probably in the car.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Question for the group: If GG actually did put her in the water, do you find it odd that nothing has washed up? That we know of, anyway? Wouldn't you think that there would be something, like the dress, a shoe, a piece of jewelry, etc?

If she was fed to the sharks, would they leave nothing behind? I don't know, I'm asking. I guess that if she was put in the ocean, he may have undressed her first, but that would mean that her clothing and personal effects would have to have been stashed somewhere, right? :waitasec: JMO.

I think there would not be much left. And what was left, would possibly drift with the currents, which flow away from the island. Even if "pieces" washed up on shore, there's a huge amount of shore on that island, much of it obscure. Hard to comb every square inch. And a piece of bone or a scrap of cloth might not even get noticed. Keep in mind, on the island itself there is far, far less news about this, far less attention being paid, than here. News about missing American blondes is not good press in the Caribbean. Many people may not even know about it, or barely have any awareness of it. Some might not even care, or bother to report anything they might stumble on...

 

[otto]

It's obvious that the source of the leak can only have come from someone inside the police dept. No one else who have had access to the information that was being leaked. Who gave JR the photos or told her the specifics of what they showed?

That's what police think - that someone involved in the investigation is giving information to the media.

 

[OneLove]

Hi all!

I tend to agree about RF. Something is not right there and I think
it goes deeper than him not being a relative etc.
He either really does have that put together 'strong' attitude that
he is showing OR there is a lot we don't know about their relationship.
JMO but it could be anything from him making more of the ties between
them that there are, or he's trying hard to accept the fact that RG
would do this to him.
Sometimes when he is on TV I swear I see a little anger and upset
within him that he is trying hard to hide.
Could be wrong, but it's just the feeling I get.

If it were ME, I would be showing more than just a "little" anger and upset.

If it is true that she was seeing GG regularly at least several times a month, she lied to the man she was living with (off of?) on numerous occasions over a long period of time, was drunk and violent enough to necessitate law enforcement being called not once but several times, and don't forget the final goodbye being that she was going to visit her FAMILY in the south (oops, guess not). I hate saying it, but she just might have been a living nightmare for the length of the relationship. If she wasn't, then she at least was an ILLUSION to RF. I would not be at all surprised if what he feels, other than justifiable anger, is embarrassment coupled with relief that she is OUT of his life. If she came to harm, HE didn't cause it!

Really, why WOULD he leave the country to go do ANYTHING on behalf of such a person? He is probably counting his lucky stars that he didn't MARRY the crazy woman and get treated this way until she divorced him and claimed yet another period of alimony and property payments.

I hope she wasn't murdered and wish her no harm, but expecting RF to go down there and act as though he LOVES her is asking for him to live in denial. I hope he is healthier than that.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Two very interesting comments posted here.

The dress---it was the last thing she had on . So where is it. She had to take it off to snorkel. Have the authorities recovered it? If not how is GG explaining it not being in his car or her belongings. That's gone off a cliff with Robyn?IF

Life insurance policy for 1.5 million! Why would GG take out this huge policy, if he planned to do something to Robyn--It is the perfect red flag for premeditation. He may be a lot of things, but I do not think he is "stupid"

Actually, I think he is stupid. A complete moron, in fact. There are too many holes in this thing to have been pulled off by a guy with any brains. The only question is, are local LE any smarter?

 

[Magdalyn]

Two very interesting comments posted here.

The dress---it was the last thing she had on . So where is it. She had to take it off to snorkel. Have the authorities recovered it? If not how is GG explaining it not being in his car or her belongings. That's gone off a cliff with Robyn?IF

Life insurance policy for 1.5 million! Why would GG take out this huge policy, if he planned to do something to Robyn--It is the perfect red flag for premeditation. He may be a lot of things, but I do not think he is "stupid"

Well .... but .... hasn't he dressed like a deer to stalk a woman? And hasn't he tried at least one ridiculous lawsuit based on forged documents that were easily disproven?

He's gonna lose his house...(?)

Don't people get sloppier the more desperate they are?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I suspect she signed it, probably at an AmEx office or something, maybe at the airport, probably in front of an employee who "witnessed" it. Doesn't surprise me at all. Maybe they got traveler's checks at the same time? I don't think GG is smart enough to pull off a scheme involving third parties (and I doubt there are many people stupid enough to be part of one with him). At any rate, I imagine these facts are well known to LE by now, just not to us.

Aruba takes American cash no problem from what I hear, occasionally a problem with a 50 or C-note, but apparently just bring a lot of 20s and you are good to go.

There is an AMEX office about 20 miles or so away he could have driven to, but it appears any old witness will do. The main thing is to have it mailed off before you leave on your trip.

 

[OneLove]

Actually, I think he is stupid. A complete moron, in fact. There are too many holes in this thing to have been pulled off by a guy with any brains. The only question is, are local LE any smarter?

Really agree with you about his intellectual abilities. His greed and depravity far outweigh his brains, IMO. Just look at the stuff he shoplifted. He may well have started with low "capacity", degenerated into brain damage over time from some baaad habits, and greed, desperation, and sexual perversity slipped into the driver's seat. hopefully, his "low capacity" will cook his goose. LE just HAS to be smarter than that!

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Aruba takes American cash no problem from what I hear, occasionally a problem with a 50 or C-note, but apparently just bring a lot of 20s and you are good to go.

There is an AMEX office about 20 miles or so away he could have driven to, but it appears any old witness will do. The main thing is to have it mailed off before you leave on your trip.

I've not had any problem spending American cash in most countries I've been to. But some people get traveler's checks to protect against loss or theft. I haven't bought any in...oh...probably longer than you've been alive. But they still sell them and it could be a good excuse to stop in to the AmEx place...and, oh, we should get some travel insurance while we're here, no?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I've not had any problem spending American cash in most countries I've been to. But some people get traveler's checks to protect against loss or theft. I haven't bought any in...oh...probably longer than you've been alive. But they still sell them and it could be a good excuse to stop in to the AmEx place...and, oh, we should get some travel insurance while we're here, no?

It would be risky, considering the witness works for AMEX and would explain what she is signing most likely. I just find it hard to believe she would sign it.

 

[cluciano63]

The dress is a problem, if LE does not have it. If it happened the way he said, then he should have the dress with her shoes, if she wore any, her purse, whatever...probably a comb. Whatever she did not take into the water when she went "snorkeling."

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Have you ever wondered what happens to Maryland State Bar Association presidents after their one-year terms expire?

Well, MSBA Immediate Past President Thomas D. Murphy’s fate was to wind up on NBC’s Today Show in a news piece about Robyn Gardner, a Frederick woman missing in Aruba, and Gary Giordano, her traveling companion being held there in connection with her disappearance.

Murphy told the morning show, in an item aired this morning, that he represented a company Giordano sued for breach of contract. The company’s defense was that Giordano had forged a name on the contract.

“He has the capability to create a lie, live the lie and try to make everyone else believe his lie,” Murphy told the show.

Giordano has said Gardner went missing when they went snorkeling and that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

But Murphy cast doubt on that explanation in recounting what he heard about Giordano while investigating him with regard to the breach-of-contrast suit he eventually dropped.

“He doesn’t go in a swimming pool,” said Murphy, of Murphy & Mood PC in Rockville. “He doesn’t go in the ocean because he wears a toupee and he doesn’t get it wet.”

Murphy said of his Today show appearance that “I really think it’s my obligation, when asked, to share with people the discoveries I made about this guy’s ability … to create a lie and continue it.”

http://thedailyrecord.com/ontherecord/2011/08/25/former-msba-president-speaks-to-today/

 

[Just-a-Guy]

http://thedailyrecord.com/ontherecord/2011/08/25/former-msba-president-speaks-to-today/

Hm. Interesting. So he is a past president of the state Bar there. That's not a position easily acquired. I wondered, when I saw that interview... Most lawyers are very reluctant to go to the media to talk about a past adversary like that. It's risky. You can get sued for defamation. And there may be ethical issues (yes, lawyers have rules of ethics, no jokes please).

The fact that an attorney of such prominence, with such a good career, would stick his neck out like that...tells me a lot. He must feel very strongly about the kind of person we're talking about. And he's obviously no fool.

 

[Kamille]

I think he may have lured her somewhere to do a photo shoot ... so maybe the best place to look is on a remote road near a dramatic and dangerous backdrop. The dress is a good question, but if he lured her for a photo shoot then the dress was probably in the car.

That's exactly what I am thinking. If she were put over a cliff on the "rough" side of the island, what are the chances that the search teams are looking there and would they even be able to see anything? It wouldn't be like she would wash up on a beach, it appears to be all rock and rough seas from pictures I've seen.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Was it finally confirmed, officially, that the insurance is/was for accidental death? (not that I can see how he expected to collect anytime soon without a body, but anyway...) I know I keep reading it from various news sites, but wonder if it is official now. If so, he really is not too bright, if he thought this would work. If he had a little pile of her clothes, at least, and had rented her snorkel gear, he might have a better chance...

 

[CanManEh]

Was it right after those pictures were taken of them leaving the restaraunt that she goes missing . cause im pretty sure i heard that her cell phone and her purse /bag was all at the hotel still yet you clearly see her holding a bad which anyone you would think would have those items in that bag . Imean you allways take your cell and what if she wanted to buy something so i would think her wallet was also in that big bag so how did it all get back to the hotel ?

 

[AngelFish]

There is no reason for him to be on TV in the US - but the talking heads like the ratings. Robyn's family is doing what the FBI requested and remaining silent so as to not interfere with the investigation. It's hard to imagine why RF has gone against the request to not say anything that may interfere with the investigation. Last I heard, the Aruban authorities were trying to find out who is leaking information to the media as it has interfered with the investigation - because the jail has cable.

Lets not forget that CE and RF are FB friends with a KIA inmate. I'm not convinced that the inmate is not given some internet access. The Aruban papers published an article about this inmate posting to face book. I don't recall the details of the article.

 

[Magdalyn]

It would be risky, considering the witness works for AMEX and would explain what she is signing most likely. I just find it hard to believe she would sign it.

Part of me agrees...

But part of me finds it hard to believe her creep-o-meter would allow her to befriend/date this guy let alone go on vacation with him, putting her in the position to sign anything. And I'm not talking looks, just general ... creepiness.

But clearly her creep-o-meter is calibrated diferently than mine! :crazy:

So since she made some other choices that seem ... unbelievable to us, what's one more? Idk...