ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6

[R.U.Kidding!]

I have a question, perhaps someone can comment?

If this was an accident--then Robyn's belongs (dress,shoes,purse,watch, etc) would have been accounted for, since she would not have worn them to snorkel, right?.....and the bathing suit she wore would not have still been in the room?

Since there has been no mention of these items being recovered, can we assume they are accounted for? It would seem the disposition of these items would be pretty important to the story.

They would factor into any scenario given:
If dress, shoes,bathing suit,etc all were unaccounted for,then they were still on Robyn when she was disposed of, since you do not snorkel with cloths and shoes on.

IS THE STORY ABOUT THE DRESS AND THE TOWEL ON THE BEACH, FACT?
....AND IF YES, WERE HER SHOES ALSO FOUND?

I would be willing to consider "an accident" if there was evidence indicating she actually went "snorkeling", or even swimming.
By the same token I would be inclined to believe her disappearance was NO accident,if they have evidence to show she NEVER went into the water.
I think, for me at least, these questions should have answers before I could begin to formulate a possible scenario. Odd-- facts aren't published?
How does the NE get away with publishing so many outright lies.

 

[Blueskies]

Is this a quote or are you asking for donations?

I was posting the link for the Robyn Gardner foundation that RF just put up on facebook. Appears they are desperate for funds so they can work on bringing Robyn home. I donated and I feel great about it.

 

[Dushi]

I have a question, perhaps someone can comment?

If this was an accident--then Robyn's belongs (dress,shoes,purse,watch, etc) would have been accounted for, since she would not have worn them to snorkel, right?.....and the bathing suit she wore would not have still been in the room?

Since there has been no mention of these items being recovered, can we assume they are accounted for? It would seem the disposition of these items would be pretty important to the story.

They would factor into any scenario given:
If dress, shoes,bathing suit,etc all were unaccounted for,then they were still on Robyn when she was disposed of, since you do not snorkel with cloths and shoes on.

IS THE STORY ABOUT THE DRESS AND THE TOWEL ON THE BEACH, FACT?
....AND IF YES, WERE HER SHOES ALSO FOUND?

I would be willing to consider "an accident" if there was evidence indicating she actually went "snorkeling", or even swimming.
By the same token I would be inclined to believe her disappearance was NO accident,if they have evidence to show she NEVER went into the water.
I think, for me at least, these questions should have answers before I could begin to formulate a possible scenario. Odd-- facts aren't published?
How does the NE get away with publishing so many outright lies.

That information has not been released AFAIK

 

[LambChop]

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Anything that is said as a statement of fact, you are requested to post a link to verify your information. I am very much interested in seeing a link to some of the information you are claiming because I have been going to Aruba for over 25 years and would be interested in hearing about some of these incidents. jmo

 

[Willow57]

I believe almost nothing that the National Enquirer report, make up or pay for. According to officials in Aruba they have investigated the hotel survelliance(sp) tapes and saw nothing out of the ordinary between RG and GG. No screaming-no fighting-no shoving-no nothing. Dushi has posted that link to the article quite a few times.

Now according to another breakthrough story from the NE a couple also saw someone who I guess we should assume is RG and GG parked at the pet cemetary and again GG was beating RG senseless. Please take into consideration no other media has reported this incriminating information. I don't believe a word of either of those reports from that rag.

If the NE or the DailyMail-UK printed that the sky was blue-I would walk outside and look up to confirm it. All of this is just my opinion, of course.

 

[Salem]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Arubans are corrupt as hell and I can tell you specific details in dozens of cases..But you don't have to look far..Just look what they did in the Holloway case.

Yes,I definetly believe Giordano is guilty of a crime and I am leaning towards Robyn being trafficked. And I have a whole list of reasons why I believe that. Sadly a woman being sold and taken off the island would be much worse for tourism then a simple crime of a american killing another american.

My point was Giordano has all that hired help including Baez,his PI and the best lawyer in Aruba. Who is representing the best interests of Robyn Gardner? AHATA,ATA and the Aruban strategic task force? Why can't they locate the owner of a rented white Hyundai getz that was driving around that area for at least 45 minutes during that crucial time period?

When you state things as fact, you need to link them to either a main stream media (MSM) report or a law enforcement (LE) report.

Can you please provide some links for the corruption and that the owner of the car has not been located?

Thanks,

Salem
Mod

 

[LambChop]

I have a question, perhaps someone can comment?

If this was an accident--then Robyn's belongs (dress,shoes,purse,watch, etc) would have been accounted for, since she would not have worn them to snorkel, right?.....and the bathing suit she wore would not have still been in the room?

Since there has been no mention of these items being recovered, can we assume they are accounted for? It would seem the disposition of these items would be pretty important to the story.

They would factor into any scenario given:
If dress, shoes,bathing suit,etc all were unaccounted for,then they were still on Robyn when she was disposed of, since you do not snorkel with cloths and shoes on.

IS THE STORY ABOUT THE DRESS AND THE TOWEL ON THE BEACH, FACT?
....AND IF YES, WERE HER SHOES ALSO FOUND?

I would be willing to consider "an accident" if there was evidence indicating she actually went "snorkeling", or even swimming.
By the same token I would be inclined to believe her disappearance was NO accident,if they have evidence to show she NEVER went into the water.
I think, for me at least, these questions should have answers before I could begin to formulate a possible scenario. Odd-- facts aren't published?
How does the NE get away with publishing so many outright lies.

You know, I thought this was kind of strange, too. The two towels and the dress are mentioned by nothing about her shoes. If I were to leave anything on the towels it would be my shoes and yet they are not mentioned. There are so many rocks in that area getting into the water it would be the last place I would go barefoot. If there are no shoes, that is significant because of the shoes she was wearing. They were anything but beachwear.

There is a video on this thread showing how rocky it is in the water just to get out deep enough to swim and it is quite a walk out with rocks everywhere. Now if GG and RG were standing there looking they may not have been able to see the rocks but once in the water it would become obvious. It's also very difficult to get into the water much less walk out waist deep. He committed himself to the snorkeling story before he was fully aware of what was out there in the water, IMO. I believe this is one reason why his story does not make sense to LE. jmo

 

[Dushi]

The shoes or her handbag have never been mentioned.
Jewellery?

I don't recall if she was wearing a watch etc in the last photos

 

[Dushi]

I suppose IF one were to go swimming, bag and jewellery would be left in the trunk of the car

The shoes are the big question, I agree

 

[neesaki]

I have a question, perhaps someone can comment?

If this was an accident--then Robyn's belongs (dress,shoes,purse,watch, etc) would have been accounted for, since she would not have worn them to snorkel, right?.....and the bathing suit she wore would not have still been in the room?

Since there has been no mention of these items being recovered, can we assume they are accounted for? It would seem the disposition of these items would be pretty important to the story.

They would factor into any scenario given:
If dress, shoes,bathing suit,etc all were unaccounted for,then they were still on Robyn when she was disposed of, since you do not snorkel with cloths and shoes on.

IS THE STORY ABOUT THE DRESS AND THE TOWEL ON THE BEACH, FACT?
....AND IF YES, WERE HER SHOES ALSO FOUND?

I would be willing to consider "an accident" if there was evidence indicating she actually went "snorkeling", or even swimming.
By the same token I would be inclined to believe her disappearance was NO accident,if they have evidence to show she NEVER went into the water.
I think, for me at least, these questions should have answers before I could begin to formulate a possible scenario. Odd-- facts aren't published?
How does the NE get away with publishing so many outright lies.

BBM. Except that GG claims they were snorkeling, not swimming. Too late now for him to change his story, then his lie would be totally obvious. JMO

 

[Sapphire]

I have read before about the human trafficking for labor on the islands, that is certainly more prevalent than for sex trafficking. Not saying Robyn was a victim of this, but just saying that it cannot be overruled as a possibility.
It is strange there have been no signs of her remains, so I can understand Robert Forrester's point of view.

Yes, I can also understand Richard Forrester's point of view regarding sex trafficking, especially since there is no sign of Robyn's remains, as you stated. No stone should be left unturned.

IMO, the problem with this is the Aruban government might not want to entertain the idea of sex trafficking; it would bring more bad publicity to their already troubled island.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

BBM. Except that GG claims they were snorkeling, not swimming. Too late now for him to change his story, then his lie would be totally obvious. JMO

Your right about the swimming, Neesaki! I really meant "any evidence of Robyn ever going in the Water. Swimming was not the right word:shakehead:

 

[Dushi]

Yes, I can also understand Richard Forrester's point of view regarding sex trafficking, especially since there is no sign of Robyn's remains, as you stated. No stone should be left unturned.

IMO, the problem with this is the Aruban government might not want to entertain the idea of sex trafficking; it would bring more bad publicity to their already troubled island.

As bad as it may be for the Arubans if this were a sex trafficking situation. my opinion is it would be worse to have another woman missing and no justice served

I have posted links up thread about human trafficking and how it happens almost everywhere

My opinion is a solved crime, no matter what it may be, is far less destructive than one that is left unsloved

 

[Sapphire]

As bad as it may be for the Arubans if this were a sex trafficking situation. my opinion is it would be worse to have another woman missing and no justice served

I have posted links up thread about human trafficking and how it happens almost everywhere

My opinion is a solved crime, no matter what it may be, is far less destructive than one that is left unsloved

Yes, I agree. It would be worse for Aruba to have another unsolved missing woman case. However, if Robyn is missing due to trafficking, I believe Aruba would rather an unsolved missing case (at the hands of her suspected b/f) over a case involving trafficking. JMO

 

[LambChop]

Yes, I agree. It would be worse for Aruba to have another unsolved missing woman case. However, if Robyn is missing due to trafficking, I believe Aruba would rather an unsolved missing case (at the hands of her suspected b/f) over a case involving trafficking. JMO

I have never seen any proof that sex trafficing takes place in Aruba, certainly nothing going out of Aruba. If GG was interested he could have had better luck here in the US or picked another island where it is common knowledge. GG picked Aruba and specifically Baby Beach because he thought he could make money off of RG drowning. He fully expected her to be washed ashore so he could be paid immediately. I think he picked Aruba for a reason because he headed for the part of the island where it would be easier for her to "drown" without anyone witnessing the event. How did he know? It's either on his computer, or he talked to someone about it. He has never been on the island before and you have to wonder how he knew where to go. Bet someone else knows or it's on his computer. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I suppose IF one were to go swimming, bag and jewellery would be left in the trunk of the car

The shoes are the big question, I agree

I always wore my beach shoes until I got to where it was sandy at Baby Beach because some of the flat grass-like plants have little stickers on them. Not really bad, just annoying. That's why I think it is odd if her shoes were not on the towel. jmo

 

[Tugela]

You know, I thought this was kind of strange, too. The two towels and the dress are mentioned by nothing about her shoes. If I were to leave anything on the towels it would be my shoes and yet they are not mentioned. There are so many rocks in that area getting into the water it would be the last place I would go barefoot. If there are no shoes, that is significant because of the shoes she was wearing. They were anything but beachwear.

There is a video on this thread showing how rocky it is in the water just to get out deep enough to swim and it is quite a walk out with rocks everywhere. Now if GG and RG were standing there looking they may not have been able to see the rocks but once in the water it would become obvious. It's also very difficult to get into the water much less walk out waist deep. He committed himself to the snorkeling story before he was fully aware of what was out there in the water, IMO. I believe this is one reason why his story does not make sense to LE. jmo

Diving boots.

 

[Sapphire]

I have never seen any proof that sex trafficing takes place in Aruba, certainly nothing going out of Aruba. If GG was interested he could have had better luck here in the US or picked another island where it is common knowledge. GG picked Aruba and specifically Baby Beach because he thought he could make money off of RG drowning. He fully expected her to be washed ashore so he could be paid immediately. I think he picked Aruba for a reason because he headed for the part of the island where it would be easier for her to "drown" without anyone witnessing the event. How did he know? It's either on his computer, or he talked to someone about it. He has never been on the island before and you have to wonder how he knew where to go. Bet someone else knows or it's on his computer. jmo

I have never seen any PROOF of sex trafficking in Aruba either, but since the Netherlands Antilles is considered a Tier 2 on the Watch List, it can't be ruled out. IMO, he picked Aruba because of the "no body, no case" scenario and the inability of the police to properly put together a case (as seen in the Natalee Holloway case.) I agree with you, I think somebody else knows....

Are you certain Giordano was never on the island before?

 

[neesaki]

I have never seen any proof that sex trafficing takes place in Aruba, certainly nothing going out of Aruba. If GG was interested he could have had better luck here in the US or picked another island where it is common knowledge. GG picked Aruba and specifically Baby Beach because he thought he could make money off of RG drowning. He fully expected her to be washed ashore so he could be paid immediately. I think he picked Aruba for a reason because he headed for the part of the island where it would be easier for her to "drown" without anyone witnessing the event. How did he know? It's either on his computer, or he talked to someone about it. He has never been on the island before and you have to wonder how he knew where to go. Bet someone else knows or it's on his computer. jmo

I wish I could agree w/ you that Aruba is basically immune to sex trafficking, Lambchop, but since there is sex trafficking everywhere, even in the U.S. of A., I just can't. I just cannot in good consciousness totally rule that scenario out until there is more evidence otherwise, especially when there was considerable evidence that Natalee Holloway was a victim of sex trafficking.

On the otherhand, it has been reported that GG habitually took out insurance policies on women he travelled with. Why would any person normally do this? I have to believe in GG's case it was due to his narcissistic and sociopathic personality, and because of his resentment for and need to exploit women in general. As far as GG is concerned, women are simply objects to be owned and used for his own pleasure, i.e., if they don't bend to his will, they are not only depriving him of his entitlement, they are considered a threat.

So the insurance policies were just that, the insurance that no matter what, GG would collect on his "entitlement".

So, other than sex trafficking, here are two very plausible scenarios I can see in this case:

1) GG planned this cold calculated crime against Robyn beforehand simply for the insurance money. He chose Aruba because he thought it would be an easy place to commit his crime.

2) GG was "smitten" sexually or otherwise, with Robyn and took her to Aruba in hopes of kindling the flames, so to speak. GG "bought" Robyn with this trip to Aruba. That is what he believes, so he has all the rights. Unfortunately, when he spied on and became privy to Robyn's text messages to RF, well, what next. GG's sense of entitlement is then not being fulfilled, so he goes into a simmering state of jealousy, anger and resentment, which eventually escalates to rage and physical violence when they are alone. IIMO that GG bought the insurance policy for a reason: he will get what he wants one way or the other.

 

[neesaki]

Diving boots.

I don't believe Robyn was a diver , or even a snorkeler for that matter, so would not have diving boots. They also did not, according to the dive shop, rent any diving gear there.