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This is the interrogation where Lou Smit asks John about the baseball bat located at the North side of the house....
5 LOU SMIT: Okay. Okay I am going
6 to show you some more photographs, and do you
7 remember whether your children played baseball
8 or bats or anything of that nature?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Used. I mean Burke
10 played baseball. We used to play, have batting
11 practice in the back yard.
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know if there was
13 one bat, two bats or three bats, do you have any
14 idea?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I think Burke
16 had a bat, I think there was a little plastic
17 bat JonBenet would use, a small one. Used to
18 use little Whiffle balls. And.
19 LOU SMIT: I am going to show you a
20 picture, and again this is photograph number
21 434, it's a photograph of a bat and it appears
22 to be in the yard and this is a close-up of the
23 same bat and I would like to show both pictures
24 and it's for photograph 435.
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, that sort of
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1 looks like Burke's bat. I could probably tell
2 exactly if it was or not, but looks familiar.
3 It wouldn't be unusual for it to be lying out in
4 the yard, because it just kind of just got
5 dropped where it was left.
6 LOU SMIT: I am going to show you
7 another bat. It's photograph number 410. This
8 was found in a different location and I will
9 show you a picture of that bat.
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, it's hard for me
11 to tell whether it's similar, but --
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know what area of
13 the house that is?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Looks like it -- I
15 know what it is. It's -- it is there it is
16 here -- it's probably right in here.
17 LOU SMIT: The area of the north
18 window?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
20 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. This down
22 spout came down right there, right there -- no,
23 over here. Well, yeah, it was here. But that's
24 definitely in this area.
25 LOU SMIT: Do you ever recall
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1 seeing a bat there?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that doesn't
3 belong there. When we played baseball we played
4 right out here, because that's the only place
5 you could hit a ball, and that yard kind of
6 stretched back this way. But you know, I don't
7 know why there would be a bat there.
8 LOU SMIT: I want to show you a
9 photograph, a series of photographs from that
10 same area, and I would like you to take a look
11 at this, these photographs, they are numbered
12 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240 and 241.
13 These are photographs that were taken at the
14 crime scene of the area of the window, and
15 that's -- of the north bathroom window into the
16 home. And I would like to show these to John
17 and first of all, I would like to ask you a
18 couple of questions, if I can.
19 That particular window goes into
20 what room in the house, do you know?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I am not sure
22 which window.
23 LOU SMIT: Okay, the window, this
24 window located right there?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: That goes into the
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1 -- that's a -- that window goes into the half
2 bath that's on the first floor.
3 LOU SMIT: First floor? Okay. Now
4 look?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Is this the window,
6 that kind of looks like the window in the
7 picture.
8 LOU SMIT: Yes.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: That goes into that
10 little bathroom in the basement that's at the
11 bottom of the stairs.
12 LOU SMIT: Okay. Now I am going to
13 show you a series of photographs and then you
14 can identify them. Just identify them by
15 picture number when you're looking at them and
16 you can start with one photo and just kind of go
17 all the way through. Let's start with the
18 lowest numbered photo first, that's number 235,
19 that would be fine.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, 235 is that same
21 window we have been talking about, the bath
22 would have been just to the right of this east
23 trough or downspout, rather. I don't see the
24 bath. There is no reason for that bath to be
25 there, we never run this side of house, you had
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1 to go, to get this, I mean there is like a big
2 planting area here and there is not much there,
3 it's an arrow and this side of the house we just
4 never went on. Activity was from the front door
5 walkway back to the backyard. ^ NOTE back to
6 the.
7 LOU SMIT: Okay.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
9 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
10 LOU SMIT: Just go to the next
11 photograph, maybe you'll -- that's 236?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: The hose I think
13 there was a faucet over this somewhere, exterior
14 faucet, wouldn't be abnormal for the hose to be
15 there, although I don't -- looks like it --
16 LOU SMIT: Does that hose -- where
17 does that show in relationship --
18 JOHN RAMSEY: It's laying under,
19 under that window.
20 LOU SMIT: Okay.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
22 LOU SMIT: All right.
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know what's
24 on the window there, I can't tell. It looks
25 like its smudged, however, the dirt is smudged.
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1 On the bottom sill. Like there is dirt, quite a
2 bit of dirt moved in that sill area. And that
3 -- and that's --
4 LOU SMIT: Do you know of anyone
5 that's ever went in that window?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: No, absolutely not.
7 LOU SMIT: Could your children have
8 played there and gone in that window?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
10 LOU SMIT: Photograph number 236?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: The same window.
12 Just spring he had here and there. I don't know
13 what this little yellow thing is. The ivies
14 look a little beaten there for some reason. But
15 back in the corner. Okay.
16 LOU SMIT: Turn it over. 238 is
17 the next view. Again, that's just -- just
18 briefly describe it, if you would, and if you
19 see anything that's out of the ordinary, please
20 let us know.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I can't tell
22 what's on the windowsill in the right-hand
23 corner, but it almost like tape of some kind,
24 but I can't tell.
25 LOU SMIT: Here is another
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1 photograph.
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay. The pine
3 straw, there is no pine straw up against the
4 window at all in this sill, whether it's all the
5 way around it, that seems strange. That was
6 kind of a deserted area of the house, we never
7 got back there to -- you know, it was just a
8 side of the house we never got to. So that
9 definitely looks odd.
10 LOU SMIT: Go to number 239.
11 JOHN RAMSEY: It's not very clear.
12 It's somebody has cleaned off that sill. In the
13 center of it. And it looks like -- looks more
14 like duct tape in that picture. I don't know
15 whether there is dust on it, I can't tell. But
16 that doesn't look at all normal. There is
17 actually no pine straw on the sill or in the
18 area in front of the sill. I don't see anything
19 else in this.
20 LOU SMIT: Okay, next one is 240.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Again, it's dirt has
22 been disturbed. Looks like the window is
23 calked, has been calked but not painted.
24 Although that paint is in the old paint scheme,
25 we didn't -- we had the house painted but it
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1 looks like the painter never painted that
2 window. Because it's white and the windows were
3 painted either gray or purple. So it looks like
4 (INAUDIBLE).
5 Like he just didn't get to that.
6 Again, it's just, it's been disturbed.
7 LOU SMIT: Okay. And then
8 the last photograph, I think there is one
9 more?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: That's what I thought
11 was tape, maybe chipped paint it look looks like
12 now. Maybe (INAUDIBLE) or something. Under the
13 light. It's definitely very disturbed in front
14 of the window. I can't tell what this little
15 item is here, right -- it's a dead bug or a
16 seed or something. That's all I see in this.
17 LOU SMIT: Now, have you
18 ever gone in that window or --
19 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
20 LOU SMIT: Could you say for
21 sure that that hadn't been there let's say
22 a week or two before?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I wasn't back
24 there, but highly, highly unlikely.
25 LOU SMIT: Okay. All right.
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: That was the side of
2 the house nobody went to. It was in the
3 wintertime. You know, when we went in the yard
4 it was spring, summer, fall. No reason
5 whatsoever to be in there in months. If ever.
6 I never was around that window. I think -- I
7 think I may have opened it from the inside once,
8 I don't even remember that, but...
5 LOU SMIT: Okay. Okay I am going
6 to show you some more photographs, and do you
7 remember whether your children played baseball
8 or bats or anything of that nature?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Used. I mean Burke
10 played baseball. We used to play, have batting
11 practice in the back yard.
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know if there was
13 one bat, two bats or three bats, do you have any
14 idea?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I think Burke
16 had a bat, I think there was a little plastic
17 bat JonBenet would use, a small one. Used to
18 use little Whiffle balls. And.
19 LOU SMIT: I am going to show you a
20 picture, and again this is photograph number
21 434, it's a photograph of a bat and it appears
22 to be in the yard and this is a close-up of the
23 same bat and I would like to show both pictures
24 and it's for photograph 435.
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, that sort of
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1 looks like Burke's bat. I could probably tell
2 exactly if it was or not, but looks familiar.
3 It wouldn't be unusual for it to be lying out in
4 the yard, because it just kind of just got
5 dropped where it was left.
6 LOU SMIT: I am going to show you
7 another bat. It's photograph number 410. This
8 was found in a different location and I will
9 show you a picture of that bat.
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, it's hard for me
11 to tell whether it's similar, but --
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know what area of
13 the house that is?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Looks like it -- I
15 know what it is. It's -- it is there it is
16 here -- it's probably right in here.
17 LOU SMIT: The area of the north
18 window?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
20 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. This down
22 spout came down right there, right there -- no,
23 over here. Well, yeah, it was here. But that's
24 definitely in this area.
25 LOU SMIT: Do you ever recall
0542
1 seeing a bat there?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that doesn't
3 belong there. When we played baseball we played
4 right out here, because that's the only place
5 you could hit a ball, and that yard kind of
6 stretched back this way. But you know, I don't
7 know why there would be a bat there.
8 LOU SMIT: I want to show you a
9 photograph, a series of photographs from that
10 same area, and I would like you to take a look
11 at this, these photographs, they are numbered
12 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240 and 241.
13 These are photographs that were taken at the
14 crime scene of the area of the window, and
15 that's -- of the north bathroom window into the
16 home. And I would like to show these to John
17 and first of all, I would like to ask you a
18 couple of questions, if I can.
19 That particular window goes into
20 what room in the house, do you know?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I am not sure
22 which window.
23 LOU SMIT: Okay, the window, this
24 window located right there?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: That goes into the
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1 -- that's a -- that window goes into the half
2 bath that's on the first floor.
3 LOU SMIT: First floor? Okay. Now
4 look?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Is this the window,
6 that kind of looks like the window in the
7 picture.
8 LOU SMIT: Yes.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: That goes into that
10 little bathroom in the basement that's at the
11 bottom of the stairs.
12 LOU SMIT: Okay. Now I am going to
13 show you a series of photographs and then you
14 can identify them. Just identify them by
15 picture number when you're looking at them and
16 you can start with one photo and just kind of go
17 all the way through. Let's start with the
18 lowest numbered photo first, that's number 235,
19 that would be fine.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Um, 235 is that same
21 window we have been talking about, the bath
22 would have been just to the right of this east
23 trough or downspout, rather. I don't see the
24 bath. There is no reason for that bath to be
25 there, we never run this side of house, you had
0544
1 to go, to get this, I mean there is like a big
2 planting area here and there is not much there,
3 it's an arrow and this side of the house we just
4 never went on. Activity was from the front door
5 walkway back to the backyard. ^ NOTE back to
6 the.
7 LOU SMIT: Okay.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
9 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
10 LOU SMIT: Just go to the next
11 photograph, maybe you'll -- that's 236?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: The hose I think
13 there was a faucet over this somewhere, exterior
14 faucet, wouldn't be abnormal for the hose to be
15 there, although I don't -- looks like it --
16 LOU SMIT: Does that hose -- where
17 does that show in relationship --
18 JOHN RAMSEY: It's laying under,
19 under that window.
20 LOU SMIT: Okay.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
22 LOU SMIT: All right.
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know what's
24 on the window there, I can't tell. It looks
25 like its smudged, however, the dirt is smudged.
0545
1 On the bottom sill. Like there is dirt, quite a
2 bit of dirt moved in that sill area. And that
3 -- and that's --
4 LOU SMIT: Do you know of anyone
5 that's ever went in that window?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: No, absolutely not.
7 LOU SMIT: Could your children have
8 played there and gone in that window?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
10 LOU SMIT: Photograph number 236?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: The same window.
12 Just spring he had here and there. I don't know
13 what this little yellow thing is. The ivies
14 look a little beaten there for some reason. But
15 back in the corner. Okay.
16 LOU SMIT: Turn it over. 238 is
17 the next view. Again, that's just -- just
18 briefly describe it, if you would, and if you
19 see anything that's out of the ordinary, please
20 let us know.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I can't tell
22 what's on the windowsill in the right-hand
23 corner, but it almost like tape of some kind,
24 but I can't tell.
25 LOU SMIT: Here is another
0546
1 photograph.
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay. The pine
3 straw, there is no pine straw up against the
4 window at all in this sill, whether it's all the
5 way around it, that seems strange. That was
6 kind of a deserted area of the house, we never
7 got back there to -- you know, it was just a
8 side of the house we never got to. So that
9 definitely looks odd.
10 LOU SMIT: Go to number 239.
11 JOHN RAMSEY: It's not very clear.
12 It's somebody has cleaned off that sill. In the
13 center of it. And it looks like -- looks more
14 like duct tape in that picture. I don't know
15 whether there is dust on it, I can't tell. But
16 that doesn't look at all normal. There is
17 actually no pine straw on the sill or in the
18 area in front of the sill. I don't see anything
19 else in this.
20 LOU SMIT: Okay, next one is 240.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Again, it's dirt has
22 been disturbed. Looks like the window is
23 calked, has been calked but not painted.
24 Although that paint is in the old paint scheme,
25 we didn't -- we had the house painted but it
0547
1 looks like the painter never painted that
2 window. Because it's white and the windows were
3 painted either gray or purple. So it looks like
4 (INAUDIBLE).
5 Like he just didn't get to that.
6 Again, it's just, it's been disturbed.
7 LOU SMIT: Okay. And then
8 the last photograph, I think there is one
9 more?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: That's what I thought
11 was tape, maybe chipped paint it look looks like
12 now. Maybe (INAUDIBLE) or something. Under the
13 light. It's definitely very disturbed in front
14 of the window. I can't tell what this little
15 item is here, right -- it's a dead bug or a
16 seed or something. That's all I see in this.
17 LOU SMIT: Now, have you
18 ever gone in that window or --
19 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
20 LOU SMIT: Could you say for
21 sure that that hadn't been there let's say
22 a week or two before?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I wasn't back
24 there, but highly, highly unlikely.
25 LOU SMIT: Okay. All right.
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: That was the side of
2 the house nobody went to. It was in the
3 wintertime. You know, when we went in the yard
4 it was spring, summer, fall. No reason
5 whatsoever to be in there in months. If ever.
6 I never was around that window. I think -- I
7 think I may have opened it from the inside once,
8 I don't even remember that, but...
Toltec,
What is the advantage in tossing the bat out of the window? It obviously isolates and bring it into focus?
I reckon some of Lou Smit's interviews are pre-arranged with leading questions so JR, et-al can voice their latest conspiracy theories.
The bat might be like the pink barbie nightgown, or the barbie doll, designed to confuse and mislead.
This is one aspect to the case that appears opaque, even to seasoned sleuthers, but the stagers are not simply going to set up a fake crime-scene, forge a ransom-note, without tossing some items in, in an attempt to match JonBenet's bizarre homicide e.g. the garrote. As someone else remarked they placed the remaining broken piece of paintbrush back into the paint tote, illustrating it was the dramatic effect that was important.
When JonBenet was whacked on the head, would she have screamed at all, would she not be, more or less, immediately unconcious?
It would be nice if Steve Thomas was to be reading here to drop a hint as to the status of those pink pajama bottoms.
Why is pink a recurring theme?
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Toltec,
I think he was, but the questioning was cursory, similar to Nedra's.
Leaving on standby is either a red flag, or the guy is a dime counter. Could he have been due to fly out later with John and Patsy, hooking up with Nedra?
But he knew someone, say JonBenet, was going to tell or had threatened to speak, so he bailed out, onto the first standby available?
Why does he travel that distance to chaperone JonBenet at her christmas parade, but not Nedra or Pam etc?
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I've always wondered if JB's crying at the party had something to do with him,and he wanted to get out ot town ASAP.
I hadn't thought of him planning on leaving with JR and Patsy.That would have been a possibility,later catching another flight out to Atlanta.
JMO8778,
Very possible, even more so when you connect this with Patsy appearing to have been crying on Christmas morning?
Lots of tears over a short period, is this why John was gone for three hours, was he attempting to sort some issues out?
Patsy is crying then John is gone for three hours, hope I have the days right here?
Looks to me as if something was brewing the week before Christmas, which came to a head on Christmas day, possibly resulting in the death of JonBenet, and despite the theories that suggest JonBenet's death was unintentional, it may have been intentional, but just not planned out?
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UK, my house is full of girls and it looks like the Pepto-Bismol factory exploded on the second floor of my house. Girls LOVE pink!
Agatha_C,
LOL, sounds like you have your hands full. I guess I meant as a staging theme, not a color preference.
Wonder why JonBenet was not wearing pink underwear then, was her size-6 underwear pink?
As you suggest its probably coincidence and JonBenet just liked pink clothing.
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So much happening the month of December....
DEC 1...Access Graphics Christmas Party. Suzanne Savage babysat and was told by Patsy to make sure JonBenet did not take her curlers off when going to bed...she had a pageant to attend.
DEC 2...Patsy makes purchases at McGuckins Hardware...JonBenet participates in a pageant.
DEC 9...Patsy makes purchases at McGuckins Hardware.
Dec 17...Patsy makes 3 frantic calls to Dr. Beuf's office. JonBenet participates in All Star Pageant.
DEC 20...Ramsey's host Church Forum dinner at their home for 40 people.
DEC 22...JonBenet participates in AmeriKids pageant...gets a teddy bear.
DEC 23...Ramsey Christmas Party. Patsy sends JonBenet to a friends for 3 hours while she prepares the home for the party.
DEC 24...JonBenet plays at Megan Kostanicks home. Bathes and goes to Church. Eats at Pasta Jays. Drives to see the Christmas Star. Stop by the White home.
DEC 25...Christmas Day.
DEC 26...Family plans to fly to Charlevoix.
DEC 28...Family to return from Charlevoix...travel to Florida.
DEC 29...Patsy's birthday...Family to start Disney's Big Red Boat Cruise.
Sometime in December, John and Patsy fly to New York and JonBenet and Burke participate in the Boulder City Lights Parade.
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UK,
(Snipped from Bonita Papers)
Her favorite part of the competition was the sportswear modeling, when she could wear blue jeans and casual clothes. She excelled in the talent competition, and her favorite routine was the "Cowboy Sweetheart" song which she sang wearing a pink cowboy
dress and hat. Not only was this her favorite song, but she liked the costume best because it was pink her favorite color.
JB seemed to be a Barbie fan. Pink is a color associated with Barbie dolls, and there is even a color (deep pink) known as "Barbie Pink". But that does not mean that every single item of clothing, including underwear, had to be pink. As a matter of fact, the panties she was wearing DID have pink rosebud on them. However, these panties were probably chosen more for the day of the week printed on the elastic waistband than the color of the flowers printed on the white cotton fabric. In those types of panty sets, each day had a different color flower or design printed on them- I recall from my own daughter's young days there were blue, pink, yellow, lilac, rose, mint green and maize.
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also the visits to the school nurse,all on a Monday.I don't know the dates,if they are known.
And let's not forget that her school records, including the records of her Monday visits to the school nurse, were ALL refused to the BPD. When would you ever hear that a school would refuse to give LE the records of a MURDERED student? I'll tell you when- when there is something in them that the family of that murdered child does not want LE to see.
And let's not forget about the school Therapist. Those records were not given to LE.
I'm serious, Agatha. They're treated with kid gloves; search warrants aren't granted, the DA's office tries to pin this on everyone EXCEPT a Ramsey, the pediatrician refuses to turn over medical records, the SCHOOL records go missing, and the handwriting experts are pressured into hedging their findings.
It's not just my opinion. A LOT of people, including some of the Boulder cops, the FBI, the pathologists and Mark Fuhrman, think the DA deliberately tanked this case in the hope that it would go away so they could further their political careers.
I'm almost at the point now where it's not a question of "was there some dirty work afoot," but rather "HOW MUCH was there?"
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Oh Dave, I knew you were being serious, so was I. I think the conspiracy started the very first day. I think the denied phone records (conspiracy) would have proven it.
P. Paugh being allowed into an active crime scene and than allowed to remove items. Items I might add that could have been evidence (conspiracy.
The Ramsey's not being questioned after the body was found (conspiracy.
Phone, school, medical records all being withheld from LE (conspiracy.
Alex Hunter deciding not to indict (conspiracy.
And the hits keep playing!!!!!!
P. Paugh being allowed into an active crime scene and than allowed to remove items. Items I might add that could have been evidence (conspiracy.
The Ramsey's not being questioned after the body was found (conspiracy.
Phone, school, medical records all being withheld from LE (conspiracy.
Alex Hunter deciding not to indict (conspiracy.
And the hits keep playing!!!!!!
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Is it a conspiracy or simply that money talks?
If you hire a crack team of lawyers and the DA etc are known for not wanting to rock the boat, you have a recipe for NUTHIN'!
And that's what we've got...and the reality is, and nobody can deny this (in fact they even admitted it I believe), they are there to keep them out of jail.
Innocent people don't do this crap.
To use a stupid analogy...
Iron Man's magnetic chest plate.
It is designed to prevent the iron shards stabbing him in the heart and killing him.
John Ramsey's legal team.
It is designed to prevent the police and justice system exposing him and charging him.
I don't think this is a conspiracy per se, I think it is a classic example of money talking.
It is the LEGAL system at work, not the JUSTICE system.
If you hire a crack team of lawyers and the DA etc are known for not wanting to rock the boat, you have a recipe for NUTHIN'!
And that's what we've got...and the reality is, and nobody can deny this (in fact they even admitted it I believe), they are there to keep them out of jail.
Innocent people don't do this crap.
To use a stupid analogy...
Iron Man's magnetic chest plate.
It is designed to prevent the iron shards stabbing him in the heart and killing him.
John Ramsey's legal team.
It is designed to prevent the police and justice system exposing him and charging him.
I don't think this is a conspiracy per se, I think it is a classic example of money talking.
It is the LEGAL system at work, not the JUSTICE system.