AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Puggle]

That is perfectly correct SouthAussie. ATO match payment summaries from employers submitted by each 14 July, with the annual tax returns of those same employees. If no return submitted, checks are conducted with Centrelink - ascertains whether wage earner is a beneficiary. However if an employer is paying 'cash in hand', then there is no ability to match up. Employer won't declare the wages paid and employee won't either. So it is a tax dodge both ways. Can also easily happen if person has an ABN. Cash again, and both parties benefit and no trace anywhere. In this scenario, GST does not enter the picture.

Thank you so much KG1 and SouthAussie......these are just the discussions I am interested in reading about.

In your opinions if someone wanted to commit a fraud using these sole trader accounts...what would be the most likely scenario of how that could be accomplished?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw...esources/dhs-privacy-policy-asat-30062015.pdf

Collection of personal information (including sensitive information)

We routinely collect the following personal information in order to deliver payments and services to
customers and as part of our day-to-day operations as an Australian Government department:

 for the purpose of assessing eligibility for and administering payments to customers, including for
proof of identity and information release purposes, we collect:

o name, address, date of birth and age of customers
o gender, occupation, marital status, parentage details, details of dependents, details about
customers’ physical or mental health, including disabilities, relationship details, employment status
and visa status
o details of relatives including names, addresses and contact details
o details about family violence indicators, disabilities and special contact requirements
o details about a customer’s account reference number, deduction amount, target amount or
deduction end date in relation to a third party organisation (eg bank)
o racial or ethnic origin, indigenous/diverse cultural and linguistic backgrounds (DCALB) identifier to
help us provide better services to customers in culturally appropriate ways (for example through
the use of interpreters or specialist officers)
o department reference/identification numbers including Medicare number, Child Support Identifier
(CSRN), Centrelink Customer Reference Number (CRN), Release of Benefits (ROB) number
Individual Healthcare Identifier number, DVA File number and/or Individual Reference Numbers
o details of benefit history and current status
o information about a person’s interaction with us and alleged loss or injury for the purposes of
assessing compensation claims
o customer consent for the collection, use or disclosure of their personal information
o employer details, including ABN, employee number, trading name and contact officer for the
purposes of registering Paid Parental Leave employers
o details of complaints or compliments about services provided by us for the purposes of complaint
resolution and service improvement
o images through photographs and CCTV footage for the purposes of customer and staff security,
and (in some circumstances) internal communication purposes
o witness statements and compliance related intelligence for fraud investigation purposes
o optical surveillance in situations where there is reasonable suspicion of fraudulent activity and
serious cases of child support avoidance or income minimisation

 for the purpose of administering Medicare, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, other Medicarerelated
services and the Healthcare Identifiers service, in addition to the information above we
collect:
o personal details of health practitioners
o religious or political affiliation (if relevant) for the provision of health services

 for the purpose of research where there is a clear benefit to the Australian public, and for information
release purposes we collect:
o personal details of representatives of other entities/agencies/organisations who request personal
information about customers.

 

[Makara]

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw...esources/dhs-privacy-policy-asat-30062015.pdf

Collection of personal information (including sensitive information)

We routinely collect the following personal information in order to deliver payments and services to
customers and as part of our day-to-day operations as an Australian Government department:

<Respectfully snipped>

Thanks for this FromGermany.

From the link;

o department reference/identification numbers including Medicare number, Child Support Identifier
(CSRN),

This would indicate that if Karlie was in fact receiving child support from Khandalyce's father, the fraudsters would have had to supply a Child Support Identifier. It would have been relatively easy IMO to quote a few reference numbers and the name of the child support contributor from Karlie's ID documents and bank records that they had in their possession. So these fraudsters not only robbed Karlie but also her mother and Khandalyce's unsuspecting father. When this is all done and dusted, someone or maybe more, are going to be spending a long time in jail.

 

[Puggle]

My theories are forever changing on this case. One minute I think HP is a cunning person who chose a wheelchair to get sympathy and maybe more benefits? instead of keeping her prosthetic leg. Then the next, I think she has been set up by DH to take the fall for the fraud but, in fact, it has been DH withdrawing the money. That is why I think that DH had another woman involved who hired a wheelchair to enter the bank/Centre Link. This woman may have looked more like Karlie too and been younger. By the way the cost per week to hire a wheelchair is $30.

I acknowledge you begin with "My theories....

I understand your reasons for the conflict to form a complete Theory or opinion based on what we have been presented so far in MSM...it is pretty confusing...that is why I have no fixed opinion at this stage either...

Leaving behind her prosthetic leg and a shrine to her deceased children..... too err on the side of goodness...suggests a traumatic, possibly even (IMO) threatening situation....on the other hand it could also suggest a callousness and be signs of some form of Narcissism...

We afford the victims any form of criticism - as we should - No one deserves to die at the hands of another - Not for any reason!!!...But we for some reason don't afford those same moral compasses to the living...we are strange humans...we assume guilt based on feelings and gut...even when we lack solid evidence....and are persuaded by limited information (MSM).....

It's always a good thing IMO to keep an open mind.....

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you so much KG1 and SouthAussie......these are just the discussions I am interested in reading about.

In your opinions if someone wanted to commit a fraud using these sole trader accounts...what would be the most likely scenario of how that could be accomplished?

I don&#8217;t know, Puggle. At the moment, the only fraud I see here is the Centrelink fraud.

Which is not to say that these ingenious minds were not constantly thinking of other ways to obtain money.

I can&#8217;t see any small-time drug dealer, if that were the case, putting their takings in any bank account either. They would just keep it and spend it, or take their profit in drugs for themselves IMO.

 

[Puggle]

I acknowledge you begin with "My theories....

I understand your reasons for the conflict to form a complete Theory or opinion based on what we have been presented so far in MSM...it is pretty confusing...that is why I have no fixed opinion at this stage either...

Leaving behind her prosthetic leg and a shrine to her deceased children..... too err on the side of goodness...suggests a traumatic, possibly even (IMO) threatening situation....on the other hand it could also suggest a callousness and be signs of some form of Narcissism...

We afford the victims any form of criticism - as we should - No one deserves to die at the hands of another - Not for any reason!!!...But we for some reason don't afford those same moral compasses to the living...we are strange humans...we assume guilt based on feelings and gut...even when we lack solid evidence....and are persuaded by limited information (MSM).....

It's always a good thing IMO to keep an open mind.....

Was to late to ETA.... Meant to say we shouldn't criticize a victim.. and stuffed up my wording..

 

[Puggle]

I don&#8217;t know, Puggle. At the moment, the only fraud I see here is the Centrelink fraud.

Which is not to say that these ingenious minds were not constantly thinking of other ways to obtain money.

I can&#8217;t see any small-time drug dealer, if that were the case, putting their takings in any bank account either. They would just keep it and spend it, or take their profit in drugs for themselves IMO.

But it was set up after the centre link money had ceased .... Mmmm maybe just simply hiding income.???

 

[plongi]

HI
I meant to post this a few days ago when bank account was being discussed. Probably available elsewhere but if you scroll down there is a vid of an interview with Sup Bray and he say "bank accounts not account" and re the identity of Karlie he states "others" . This one is a very revealing interview I always thought.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

 

[sleepinoz]

But it was set up after the centre link money had ceased .... Mmmm maybe just simply hiding income.???

The ABN was active from 1/01/2011 Welfare Payments ceased 'early 2011'

From that I take it that the ABN was set up prior to payments being stopped.

WELFARE payments to Karlie Pearce-Stevenson&#8217;s bank account were stopped in &#8220;early 2011&#8221; after officials identified an issue

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...pearce-stevenson/story-fni6uo1m-1227585916303

http://abncheck.com.au/abn/94740016021

Active from 01/01/2011

 

[plongi]

Brown is for a straighter route to Southern Adelaide..green to continue through to Northern Adelaide and is Blue a viable alternative to Southern Adelaide.

Which way through Wynarka travelling from Canberra or from up North.
Anyone drive these roads.

 

[SouthAussie]

The ABN was active from 1/01/2011 Welfare Payments ceased 'early 2011'

From that I take it that the ABN was set up prior to payments being stopped.

Me too.

And (just jumping off your post, sleep) ... we also don't know that any business was conducted under that business name. Setting up an ABN just requires a little time sitting at a computer, if you have all the personal details that you need. Nothing special about it.

The ABN may have been set up for some hairbrain scheme that never eventuated.

Or someone may have needed to be seen as a subcontractor to get a job in the mining industry, so they fabricated that they had worked with an 'exploration drilling' specialist ... and that way they could provide fake references from a specific (fake) mining-related entity.

Bank 'accounts' could mean one for Karlie and one for her daughter. I always had a bank account for my daughter too - for cheques she received as gifts as a minor and just to save a little money for her. Or it could be a slip of the tongue and Det. Bray should have said 'account', singular. Or Karlie could have had another old account with $15 in it that she didn't use.

I think we usually find here that most crimes are quite 'simple' .... as well as stupid/sad/horrific/unfortunate/pointless/etc.

 

[insanity]

Re the Centelink payments being stopped. Those receiving Family Tax Benefis, Parenting Payments or Newstart are required to have their children participate in a health check when they turn 4.

Requirements vary per state but it's compulsory and I wonder if this was the trigger. It would be hard to impersonate K & K for this IMHO. &#128546;


Details here: http://www.humanservices.gov.au/cus...-part-b/healthy-start-for-school-health-check

"Healthy Start for School
If your child is turning 4 years old, they may need to have a health check for you to get Family Tax Benefit (FTB) Part A supplement.

We will send you a letter if your child needs a health check. This will occur if you or your partner receive FTB Part A and an income support payment such as Parenting Payment or Newstart Allowance, or a payment from the Department of Veterans’ Affairs."

 

[sleepinoz]

Me too. We also don't know that any business was conducted under that business name. Setting up an ABN just requires a little time sitting at a computer, if you have all the personal details that you need. Nothing special about it.

The ABN may have been set up for some hairbrain scheme that never eventuated.

Or someone may have needed to be seen as a subcontractor to get a job in the mining industry, so they fabricated that they had worked with an 'exploration drilling' specialist ... and that way they could provide fake references from a specific (fake) mining-related entity.

Bank 'accounts' could mean one for Karlie and one for her daughter. I always had a bank account for my daughter too - for cheques she received as gifts as a minor and just to save a little money for her. Or it could be a slip of the tongue and Det. Bray should have said 'account', singular. Or Karlie could have had another old account with $15 in it that she didn't use.

I think we usually find here that most crimes are quite 'simple' .... as well as stupid/sad/horrific/unfortunate/pointless/etc.

The only other advantage I can see for DH to have an ABN is to purchase a vehicle. If you have an ABN you can get a fleet discount, which could be few thousand dollars. Some other discounts can be obtained like building materials etc, but I can't see DH doing much in the way of building.

I find the timing interesting though - Visit to Centrelink Dec 2010 - ABN January 2011 - Centrelink stops a short while later - DH and HP leave Hillbank shortly after that. Seems everything was falling apart.

 

[JaneSA]

I acknowledge you begin with "My theories....

I understand your reasons for the conflict to form a complete Theory or opinion based on what we have been presented so far in MSM...it is pretty confusing...that is why I have no fixed opinion at this stage either...

Leaving behind her prosthetic leg and a shrine to her deceased children..... too err on the side of goodness...suggests a traumatic, possibly even (IMO) threatening situation....on the other hand it could also suggest a callousness and be signs of some form of Narcissism...

We afford the victims any form of criticism - as we should - No one deserves to die at the hands of another - Not for any reason!!!...But we for some reason don't afford those same moral compasses to the living...we are strange humans...we assume guilt based on feelings and gut...even when we lack solid evidence....and are persuaded by limited information (MSM).....

It's always a good thing IMO to keep an open mind.....

What a lovely post, Puggle.
Thank you for that.
I wholeheartedly agree that our compassion for the living should be just as strong as our compassion for the dead.

I am always particularly concerned for people who, through no real fault of their own, end up under the harsh glare of the media and are consequently judged by the viewers by a 5 second video grab.

After Lindy Chamberlin many people like me swore we would never allow that to happen again to an innocent person. So my plea is always for people to realise the extreme extent to which the media exaggerate a story for "entertainment" and to sell goods; the use of limited, even distorted, facts to sway public opinion; and the persecution of those under the media microscope that causes them to lash out, creating more media fodder (think egg-throwing).

 

[KG1]

HI
I meant to post this a few days ago when bank account was being discussed. Probably available elsewhere but if you scroll down there is a vid of an interview with Sup Bray and he say "bank accounts not account" and re the identity of Karlie he states "others" . This one is a very revealing interview I always thought.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

The word 'accounts' is used in only one paragraph and could have been journalistic error. As far as I am aware, there has only ever been one account related to Karlie. Below is a paragraph, also from this article, which seems more factual re an account.

"In respect to what we know about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and the use of the phone, I can say that we know that at least one offender was a male. There may have been more, and at least two are females. BBM

 

[plongi]

Fits your timeline.
Seeing an identikit wouldnt be a very comfortable feeling

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n-hazel-passmore/story-fni6uo1m-1227587103274

Aug. 2010: The remains of a young woman were found by a group of trail bike riders in Belanglo State Forest in NSW. The woman&#8217;s time of death is determined to have been anywhere from six months to 10 years prior. A distinctive T-shirt with Angelic motif found with the remains prompts the victim to be known as &#8216;Angel&#8217;.
Dec. 2011: Her remains are still unidentified and a computer-generated image of the face is released.

The only other advantage I can see for DH to have an ABN is to purchase a vehicle. If you have an ABN you can get a fleet discount, which could be few thousand dollars. Some other discounts can be obtained like building materials etc, but I can't see DH doing much in the way of building.

I find the timing interesting though - Visit to Centrelink Dec 2010 - ABN January 2011 - Centrelink stops a short while later - DH and HP leave Hillbank shortly after that. Seems everything was falling apart.

 

[Trooper]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

even though this is a report from back in October, Des Bray has not resiled, or changed his focus since then.. he , apparently , is still narrowed down to these locations..'"Those suspects either resided at, or are associated with or were listed in connection with, properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra."


So it is rational to confine one's theories re suspects to them residing at times in these locations. Des Bray has, and no one has any reason not to, unless other information trumps it.. The theory proposed is therefore not just two women, using wheelchairs , unconnected, but two women from Davoren Park and Holden Hill or Hillbank on the same mission. At the same time.

I feel compassion for everyone apart from someone in a wheelchair in Davoren Park.. if it's good enough for Des Bray it's fine by me.. to spread this suspicion around to every woman in a wheel chair, apart from Hazel, as an accomplice, is just plain mean, in my opinion.

Another woman impersonating Hazel impersonating Karlie.. ... this requires an affectation for complication that presupposes a 2nd woman, in a wheelchair, not just impersonating Hazel, but residing in Davoren Park, Hillbank at some stage, and Holden Park. This mystery wheelchair bound woman ( or wheelchair hiring woman ) would not only be impersonating Hazel, but has also lived in every place Hazel has lived in, and moved to the next place Hazel has.. you can see how this scenario has now become afflicted with fuzzy thinking to an extreme.

 

[JaneSA]

I don&#8217;t know, Puggle. At the moment, the only fraud I see here is the Centrelink fraud.

Which is not to say that these ingenious minds were not constantly thinking of other ways to obtain money.

I can&#8217;t see any small-time drug dealer, if that were the case, putting their takings in any bank account either. They would just keep it and spend it, or take their profit in drugs for themselves IMO.

I have to agree with that.
It's a strictly cash economy.

Maybe the setting up of the ABN was nothing more than another "sign of life" attempt.

I wonder if your tax needs to be up to date to set up an ABN - anyone know?

Even though, on paper, it may appear that for 3 years after her death, Karlie's only financial support was Centrelink, would tax returns have been required?

Also, If no tax returns were lodged in Karlie's name for 3 years, could that be what triggered the request for an interview from Centrelink?

 

[KG1]

Thank you so much KG1 and SouthAussie......these are just the discussions I am interested in reading about.

In your opinions if someone wanted to commit a fraud using these sole trader accounts...what would be the most likely scenario of how that could be accomplished?

The one sole trader account being Karlie's, according to police had other monies go through it, including item/s marked 'wages'. Those monies could be legitimate wages paid to DH, DB, DM or HP or indeed anyone passing themself off to an employer as Karlie Jade Stevenson, (female only in that scenario of HP). However, remember that according to police, there are at least 2 females, and we know nothing of the other female. The purpose of all this subterfuge would be to defraud Centrelink and the ATO. If the recipient is on benefits, then it would hide other income from Centrelink and not affect the benefits paid. If the person is working for cash, then likely both that person and the 'employer' are defrauding the ATO, by not declaring the income for tax purposes. Just my take on this whole disgusting and lucrative, immoral behaviour.

 

[JaneSA]

HI
I meant to post this a few days ago when bank account was being discussed. Probably available elsewhere but if you scroll down there is a vid of an interview with Sup Bray and he say "bank accounts not account" and re the identity of Karlie he states "others" . This one is a very revealing interview I always thought.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

So he does.
I always trust the ABC to care more about accurate reporting than the commercial media.