Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #11

[linette]

I thought the original comment about the 0.2 mm was only referring to what that particular night {that Allison went missing } was like, no reference to what fell between then and when she was found?? The poster was describing what the weather and moonlight was like THAT night. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[marlywings]

I thought the original comment about the 0.2 mm was only referring to what that particular night {that Allison went missing } was like, no reference to what fell between then and when she was found?? The poster was describing what the weather and moonlight was like THAT night. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Exactly linette...thankyou

 

[coolcat]

No one is comparing you to a murderer, five weeks ago you wouldn't not have looked twice at the BC they were ordinary people. Something happened that changed life in an instant. If GBC is guilty (which I beleive he is) he hadn't murdered anyone before in his 41 year, as far as we know,, he was not a sadisitc serial killer, he was no Ivan Milat. If and when he is found gulity he will go to jail and serve a long sentence, as would be expected. But none of them have two heads and have grown horns, they are ordinary everyday people. I am sure all of us have done something in our lives that we are not proud of, in the majority of cases not as extreme as murder, but nonetheless something less then praiseworthy. There cannot be good on one side and bad on the other, that is a fairytale. I am sorry but I must be a heartless person, because I can't get myself so emotionally involved in the murder of someone that I didn't know, to need to release some anger. I am fascinated by the case and by the many theories that have come forward, I question some of the things that have happened, but I have more then enough in my own life to cope with, then to have to vent my anger on a website about a murder of a person I never knew. I have a seventeen year old - I live in interesting times!!LOL

I think if any of this family are found guilty they are FAR from normal or ordinary...Because normal and ordinary behaviour isn't someone who kills or inflicts violence...? IMO?

 

[wakeskate]

Don't know where you live but I live 5 minutes away from the bridge where she was found - we had 6 inchs of rain from the time ABC disappeared to the time she was found... bit of rain in the west.

I live in Indooroopilly, and yes, we also had 50mm of rain the from when it started raining Friday (27th around 9-10pm) till the morning, and then another 100+ that Saturday (28th). It finally let up around 7-8pm on Saturday night. This is the weekend she was found, 10/11 days after she went missing.
A friend also lives on Sugars rd Anstead (a few km from the bridge) and they also commented that they had no rain for weeks before the day (saturday) when it literally didn't stop raining. They also had the same levels of rainfall out there.

 

[kiwi50]

I just heard that the word on the street so to speak is that....... The police have never been allowed to talk to the children.



IMO/MOO etc.

Interesting, imagine what they could tell, even if they were at grandparents on the Thursday night, the phone calls were probably flying and it could have been a very busy night. 10 year olds know a lot.
If what an earlier poster said about NBC being at the house when police arrived is true, that is big.
IMO GBC might as well have written the manual on how not to behave when your wife is missing and then found dead.

 

[coolcat]

Interesting, imagine what they could tell, even if they were at grandparents on the Thursday night, the phone calls were probably flying and it could have been a very busy night. 10 year olds know a lot.
If what an earlier poster said about NBC being at the house when police arrived is true, that is big.
IMO GBC might as well have written the manual on how not to behave when your wife is missing and then found dead.

I am not reading anything into the kids not being allowed to be interviewed!

I wouldn't allow my children to be interviewed either.....At there age they are already dealing with circumstances that are extreme and the way there Mummy has died is already far to much to bare. IMO

 

[wakeskate]

Oh yes! Thanks for bringing this up again. I don't think a torrent or current washed her downstream and deposited her on a bank either. I said this earlier and someone jumped in and disagreed with my claim (with no proof to back it up of course). I live in Brisbane and we have had no rain whatsoever to achieve that sort of movement. I don't have proof. BUT IMO there was no downpour that would have placed her up on almost a 2m ledge as she was found.

We had almost 200mm of rain the day (or two) before she was found in parts across Brisbane. A friend who lives in Anstead recorded well over 150mm in a 24 hour period from Friday 28th - Saturday 29th. From memory she was found the next day.

If the body was simply dumped off the bridge, it would have been found within a day or two. It was washed down with that rain IMO.

 

[coolcat]

This was on last night...I case anyone missed it...Very interesting and there was footage that I had not seen previously?

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8470880/murder-twist

 

[wakeskate]

Sorry but you're wrong on this...Brisbane Airport has its own station...Brisbane city has separate observations.

Now if you want to be pedantic over .2mm wellll here you are....

Brisbane City recorded .2mm
Brisbane Airport 0mm
Or how about we go to Archerfield (western suburubs)..6mm

I was describing last night how it was very similar to the night of 19th April

Fair enough. The info I was looking at only had one reading and claimed it was Brisbane. I assumed we were still using the airport as the source of truth for weather in Brisbane.

This does show that it means nothing though.
The airport and archerfield are about the same distance from the city as Anstead is, and they all recorded different values.

 

[PolyDot]

After much speculating here for a while, it was reported in the media that the kids were at a sleepover on Thursday evening. The article must be in the Timeline Thread if anybody wants to check. Sorry, don't recall the date.

Someone local and "in the know" said Olivia flew down on Saturday morning.

That is my understanding .

 

[marlywings]

Fair enough. The info I was looking at only had one reading and claimed it was Brisbane. I assumed we were still using the airport as the source of truth for weather in Brisbane.

This does show that it means nothing though.
The airport and archerfield are about the same distance from the city as Anstead is, and they all recorded different values.

Of course it means nothing...possumheart & I were discussing the similarities between last night & the 19th April.

Cloudy conditions...dark night...maybe a light shower or two around the place somewhere.

How anyone could twist that around & be so pedantic over it is beyond me.

 

[Ixnaye]

Is there anyone else that thinks that if they were TM they would be lawyering up too?

I can see that if GBC is charged with murder his defence team will be looking at the best avenues available to them to create reasonable doubt and I reckon they will be pointing the finger straight at TM.

I bet TM has not heard from GBC or anyone else close to him since Allison went missing.

And I bet GBC will claim that he tried to break off the affair but that TM wouldn't take no for an answer and had been stalking, pestering, threatening him etc.

If TM had absolutely nothing to do with Allison's murder (which I personally don't think she did) I hope she has a rock solid alibi for the night in question.

 

[Toowong(s)]

Hello all,

The vast majority of people on here seem happy to assume GBC and/or the Senior BCs are guilty purely on the basis of how they have behaved in the media since ABC went missing, the fact that he had at least one extramarital affair at some point, and a whole lot of unverified rumor and hearesay. GBC has been quickly summed up as a violent cheating liar and ABC as an emotionally and physically abused wife.

GBCs guilt is a sound theory based on what frustratingly little information is available to us, and you would imagine it takes up a pretty prominent position on the whiteboard of theorys at Police HQ. It is definitely the most obvious scenario.

But what is frustrating me is seeing anyone who remotely dares to suggest any other theory on here, gets immediately shot down in flames, under some guise of protecting ABC's beautiful legacy and bringing an alleged abusive monster to justice. As alluded to by another poster earlier, I can almost hear the clanging of the pitchforks and cries of the angry mob.

However I think the fact that Police have not arrested GBC (or any other BC for that matter), and allowed them to continue caring for the three daughters is significant. If it is as cut and dried as laid out above, with a history of DV as people have claimed (not sure where this has come from - haven't seen it in the media myself) then he would be in jail by now.

For those who feel an outpouring of sympathy for ABC, what if GBC is innocent and ABC loved him dearly? What if he is a really great dad? What if the two had worked hard of late to get their marriage back on track, only for it all to come unstuck at the hands of some other 3rd party? What would poor ABC think of the vast majority of people ready to string up GBC without a trail, robbing her daughters of a loving doting and innocent father? Just because it was the most convenient theory available.

This website seems to be all about sleuthing with a view to constructively analysing criminal theories. I think the GBC guilty theory is now well covered, we've all read it. But something tells me the Police moved on to other theories long ago.

How about some genuine sleuthing now by putting all other plausible theories on the table without prejudice to see if we can't find another angle on this?

Cue the angry mob!

 

[True]

Of course it means nothing...possumheart & I were discussing the similarities between last night & the 19th April.

Cloudy conditions...dark night...maybe a light shower or two around the place somewhere.

How anyone could twist that around & be so pedantic over it is beyond me.

Sorry, but nothing pedantic about it, it's the difference between a current strong enough to wash a body downstream and a light shower. I think it's very relevant. I'm going to look later tonight at the rainfall.

 

[linette]

Of course it means nothing...possumheart & I were discussing the similarities between last night & the 19th April.

Cloudy conditions...dark night...maybe a light shower or two around the place somewhere.

How anyone could twist that around & be so pedantic over it is beyond me.

Yes, it was quite clear to me that you were discussing the similarities between the 2 nights. I don't have a clue how it turned into anything else.

 

[wakeskate]

Of course it means nothing...possumheart & I were discussing the similarities between last night & the 19th April.

Cloudy conditions...dark night...maybe a light shower or two around the place somewhere.

How anyone could twist that around & be so pedantic over it is beyond me.

There were two threads of discussion that came from it.

Firstly me pointing out that I don't remember any rain on the night, although I would only recall it if it actually rained. My point was using the record from the Brisbane station or Airports means nothing at Anstead.

Second was someone claiming they had 6" of rain from when she went missing till when she was found. This 6" of rain happened over the 48 hours just before she was found. Not over the week and a half she was missing.

Sorry if being pedantic about the facts isn't suitable for this forum.

 

[Ixnaye]

I am not reading anything into the kids not being allowed to be interviewed!

I wouldn't allow my children to be interviewed either.....At there age they are already dealing with circumstances that are extreme and the way there Mummy has died is already far to much to bare. IMO

I can understand that Coolcat but if my husband was murdered I would help the police any way I could and that would include letting them interview my children if they needed or wanted to, obviously the police would have specialists who are trained to deal with children.

I have found a deceased person last year in a house that we owned and I have also had my brother killed in an accident. The police are hugely compassionate and they provide fantastic support to anyone dealing with traumatic incidents. I would trust them to be able to interview my children.

 

[marlywings]

Sorry, but nothing pedantic about it, it's the difference between a current strong enough to wash a body downstream and a light shower. I think it's very relevant. I'm going to look later tonight at the rainfall.

I think you better have a look at the relevant dates too while you're at it.

We were NOT discussing the rain which occurred the weekend just prior to Allison's body being found....28th & 29th April.

We were however discussing weather observations for the night she went missing....19th April.

 

[True]

We had almost 200mm of rain the day (or two) before she was found in parts across Brisbane. A friend who lives in Anstead recorded well over 150mm in a 24 hour period from Friday 28th - Saturday 29th. From memory she was found the next day.

If the body was simply dumped off the bridge, it would have been found within a day or two. It was washed down with that rain IMO.

150mm... Still not enough to deposit her up on that steep bank, looks almost 2m from the waterline to me. Seen the photo? It's not a gradual bank, it's a drop. Maybe no one went canoeing for a while?! Hard to find the body by driving over the bridge unless you actually stop and look over the side for some rare reason. Very possible no one visited that area for a week, and if they did, very possible they were concerntrating on what they were doing and missed it IMO.

 

[minni]

I am not reading anything into the kids not being allowed to be interviewed!

I wouldn't allow my children to be interviewed either.....At there age they are already dealing with circumstances that are extreme and the way there Mummy has died is already far to much to bare. IMO

I personally don't think the children have a lot of knowledge about anything that happened that night. They spend time with their grandparents, as in the Dickies, and they go to school. They talk to their friends, their teachers, their grandparents. If I was a murderer and the children had info that I couldn't allow to be overheard or repeated, I would keep them out of school and secluded as much as possible. I would be sh*^&ing bricks