Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #17

[The Dark Shadow]

"In the Australian state of Queensland, the power to arrest is granted by s.546 of Schedule 1 to the Criminal Code Act 1899. Under the Act, any person who finds another committing an offence may, without warrant, arrest the other person. The power to arrest in Queensland also allows for arrest on suspicion of an offence:

If the offence has been actually committed -- it is lawful for any person who believes on reasonable ground that another person has committed the offence to arrest that person without warrant, whether that other person has committed the offence or not."
Citizen's arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are right, grannie.
However, what others are arguing is the value in arresting a suspect without enough evidence to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

 

[Makara]

Oops, sorry... kayaker. The person who discovered her. Completely based on my own interpretation of the linked post...nothing more.

Ok, kayaker. :blushing: This is indeed very interesting and if it is the guy who found Allison, my heart goes out to him.

Great sleuthing Dark Shadow. :rocker:

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

"In the Australian state of Queensland, the power to arrest is granted by s.546 of Schedule 1 to the Criminal Code Act 1899. Under the Act, any person who finds another committing an offence may, without warrant, arrest the other person. The power to arrest in Queensland also allows for arrest on suspicion of an offence:

If the offence has been actually committed -- it is lawful for any person who believes on reasonable ground that another person has committed the offence to arrest that person without warrant, whether that other person has committed the offence or not."
Citizen's arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grannie, I am unsure of your reason for posting the above. If we are still talking on the cars and whether there was evidence or not. A citizens arrest has nothing to do with it. (A citizens arrest usually would occur anyway if when a person sees someone in the act of comitting a crime). But as I said does not apply to this. Making arrest is a whole different thing to getting a conviction for which Police need a watertight case. They are not going to go in there with a half baked case and risk it being thrown out. Police have their own procedures and powers with regards to evidence and warrants and arrests.

 

[Toowong(s)]

Does anyone know whose car Gerard had crashed 2 days after Allison's disappearance?

Supergran, i was thinking it may have been a C21 vehicle ie owned by GBCs business as a "runabout" for the junior staff etc to use as required. The company where I work has a similar arrangement.

 

[Susan12]

I can see her lower body in the shadow area and her upper body from the waist up in the sunny area. I can see her head (face and dark hair) and one hand and arm (in dark clothing). I cannot see bend legs.

All I can make out is that looks to be where the body is. I am not sure what people are seeing that I'm not that leads to thoughts of the particular position it's in (eg mentions of hands tied, where the head is etc). It just seems too blurry to me. Anyone who is confident of what they're seeing of the way it is lying kindly mind doing an arrow diagram?

 

[The Dark Shadow]

Ok, kayaker. :blushing: This is indeed very interesting and if it is the guy who found Allison, my heart goes out to him.

Great sleuthing Dark Shadow. :rocker:

Oh no.. Sorry Makara... I wasn't correcting you! Just correcting myself from a previous post where i had written canoeist :blushing:.
I agree, poor guy, whoever it was that made the discovery

 

[mum73]

Personally I believe there was evidence found in the Captiva (hence the reason it is still impounded). The cars became of interest quite quickly and I wouldn't be surprised if the initial reaction (re the crime scene) by police had something to do with the cars.
If evidence was found in the car, GBC would not automatically be implicated if all keys were not in his possession. If the keys were left in the car, this would mean anyone could have accessed the vehicle; even a boogeyman walking down the driveway when Allison went for her "evening walk".

 

[CaseClosed]

All I can make out is that looks to be where the body is. I am not sure what people are seeing that I'm not that leads to thoughts of the particular position it's in (eg mentions of hands tied, where the head is etc). It just seems too blurry to me. Anyone who is confident of what they're seeing of the way it is lying kindly mind doing an arrow diagram?

If you read further along this thread, there are photos with arrows which may help you.

 

[mum73]

Not quite what i meant, lol... I think if i am interpreting this comment correctly, we might have our canoeist?!?!
IMO only.

I think the "find" he is referring to is the cache. He is the same person mentioned in the previous post (the previous poster called him for help to find the cache).

The "" also implies humour.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

According to this report, Allison was deceased before her body was dumped.

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2012/05/04/happy-and-successful-a-portrait-of-allison/

Police now know the 43-year-old former beauty queen and business woman was murdered before her body was dumped in a creek north-east of Ipswich.

I am perplexed at both this and the fact that they said shortly after finding the body police had clear views on how Mrs Baden-Clay died, people close to the case have told The Sunday Mail.

I wonder what they found and how they knew so early that she was killed before being 'dumped' and what they saw to know how she was killed, before(it sounds) like an autopsy..It was reported there were no visual signs of foul play.. I think that obviously was police not wanting to let out what they knew. MOO

 

[Makara]

Oh no.. Sorry Makara... I wasn't correcting you! Just correcting myself from a previous post where i had written canoeist :blushing:.
I agree, poor guy, whoever it was that made the discovery

No worries. I personally think that this geocaching thingy should be brought to the attention of the police. Someone said earlier that there is a geocache across the road from GBC's place and then there is one in the vicinity of where Allison was found. Are there any locals (that word again :floorlaugh here who have more info about this and are willing to contact crimestoppers or duck into the local police station? It could be nothing but it got my hinky* metre ticking.

*Hinky. An Americanism for when something is not quite right - it's hinky.

 

[Toowong(s)]

I have had a lovely chat with Alison Sandy. They were unaware of the release of the Prado but are taking a drive out today anyway so will check this info and may report it in tomorrows CM. The earlier report of the release of the cars in mid May was incorrect and the family called her to advise. So it may be in tomorrows paper...just have to wait and see....
Please ignore this post if you so desire....I really am busy today with my housework so don't really want to reply to the haters on this forum (minority)

Interesting that the family (presumably BCs) callled the reporter to advise that the their cars were still impounded.

When I originally read that the cars had been released so quickly, it was one of the key events that made me question GBC's involvement and ponder alternate theories. It indicated to me the cars were clean and hence likely GBC was clean. Now reading that both cars remained impounded and one may still be impounded? Would be great to get to the bottom of this.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I think the "find" he is referring to is the cache. He is the same person mentioned in the previous post (the previous poster called him for help to find the cache).

The "" also implies humour.

I don't know mum73..reading between the lines, I think it very much could be the 'canoeist'...'I was sure it was on "that one"... Perhaps the torment of my find on that cache made me erase the important info from memory'

Certainly could read between the lines that the 'it' could be Allison and the 'torment of his find on that cache" Was Allison on that cache(?) its MOO, but certainly could read that way. I am sure the person probably doesn't want to out and say so on a place like that site.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Interesting that the family (presumably BCs) callled the reporter to advise that the their cars were still impounded.

When I originally read that the cars had been released so quickly, it was one of the key events that made me question GBC's involvement and ponder alternate theories. It indicated to me the cars were clean and hence likely GBC was clean. Now reading that both cars remained impounded and one may still be impounded? Would be great to get to the bottom of this.

Yes when I heard they were released..I thought they must'nt of had anything significant to offer police in terms of evidence.. Interesting it appears the Captiva *may* still be impounded at this stage.

fftobed: the toothpicks are no longer working my hold my eyelids open..

 

[Bayside]

All I can make out is that looks to be where the body is. I am not sure what people are seeing that I'm not that leads to thoughts of the particular position it's in (eg mentions of hands tied, where the head is etc). It just seems too blurry to me. Anyone who is confident of what they're seeing of the way it is lying kindly mind doing an arrow diagram?

I cant do a diagram as I am on my ipad.

Look directly below the red arrow, there is a white area which is her head! There is a black area to the left which is clothing on her arm and the white bit at end in her wrist/hand. Her right arm is resting on her chest, you can see the ehite tip which again is hand and wrist.

The bottom part is very blurry but you can see the dark clothing with the white tip being a foot and or shoe. On the right of that is the righthand leg with the white tip up higher which look to be a bent or twisted leg.

All IMO

 

[The Dark Shadow]

I think the "find" he is referring to is the cache. He is the same person mentioned in the previous post (the previous poster called him for help to find the cache).

The "" also implies humour.

It certainly could be completely innocent. It is just worded awkwardly if it is though; you would think if the poster was refering to the difficulty of the find - for instance- he/she would have said 'the torment of my search', rather than find? What could be tormenting about the 'find', if the find is just a logbook with a few goodies inside a container??
I will leave it to others to interpret. Maybe Happymedium can enlighten us further?

 

[Makara]

June 04, 2012 12:00AM

BROOKFIELD residents, SES volunteers and fire officers who searched for Allison Baden-Clay will play each other in a cricket fundraiser to raise money for the murdered mum's daughters.
Concerned for the welfare of the three young girls, Brookfield United Cricket Club has organised the match, which takes place at the Brookfield Showgrounds on June 24, after emergency officers who helped search for the 43-year-old got on board.

Organiser Mike Kaye, of Brookfield United Cricket Club, said a raffle involving several donated prizes, including a trip for two to Noosa and a cricket bat from cricket specialist Keith Dudgeon, would help raise funds.

"The police, because it's an ongoing investigation, couldn't be involved so we decided to play against the fire brigade and the SES who did all the searching out here," he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...llisons-children/story-e6freoof-1226381980933

I would love to go to this but I live too far away. This would be a great venue for all of the members here who wanted to meet up, as was mentioned in a previous thread. You'd be surrounded by big burly firemen, :what: SES crew, etc. I think I'd feel safe in that environment. :blushing: Hopefully GBC is in the big house by then. If not then Mike Kaye should insist that he attend and make himself available as the middle stump! :floorlaugh:

 

[CaseClosed]

No worries. I personally think that this geocaching thingy should be brought to the attention of the police. Someone said earlier that there is a geocache across the road from GBC's place and then there is one in the vicinity of where Allison was found. Are there any locals (that word again :floorlaugh here who have more info about this and are willing to contact crimestoppers or duck into the local police station? It could be nothing but it got my hinky* metre ticking.

*Hinky. An Americanism for when something is not quite right - it's hinky.

I have just reported this to CrimeStoppers via their online form. Like you, I also felt that it may be of assistance to QPS. Otherwise they can just discard this info.

 

[willough]

Ummmmm.....Actually, I think this is something the police should know about (if they dont already). If there is one out the front of his place and one where Allison was found, it could mean he is more familiar with the environment, than we think.

As I wrote earlier, I definitely think this is something the police should know about...If anyone knows where these cache are, it would sure be good....Whoever placed them, may know more....especially if both were placed, by the same person.....Means they may know the BCs and know the Kholo Creek area well.......................even more than a searching kayaker.

 

[Bayside]

I would love to go to this but I live too far away. This would be a great venue for all of the members here who wanted to meet up, as was mentioned in a previous thread. You'd be surrounded by big burly firemen, :what: SES crew, etc. I think I'd feel safe in that environment. :blushing: Hopefully GBC is in the big house by then. If not then Mike Kaye should insist that he attend and make himself available as the middle stump! :floorlaugh:

I was just thinking the same thing, and I am sure even tho the police will not be able to play there will be a few that would turn up to show their support.