Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #5

[Curiousasacat]

Yes these struck me as weird, as if they came from an adult encouraging the kids to draw these to achieve a particular impression ("mummy's run off - let's tell her we love her to get her to come back").

I've been looking at quite a few videos of interviews with "people whose wives disappeared then later turned out to be murdered by them" and they all feature the "mummy please come home, we love you" trope being used by the person who turns out to be the murderer.

If you think about it, if a normally reliable, predictable person disappears, you don't think they've just gone somewhere voluntarily and that they're in any position to respond to requests to come home; you know something is seriously wrong.

I remember thinking at the time how unusual it was that they wrote Allison and not mum/mummy. My kids are around the same age and they would never write my first name.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Or maybe it's just an assumption. Otherwise why else would he be at the house at 7.30am on a Friday morning?

Had to pop back as one of the kids forgot something or she didn't answer the phone?

 

[barrosa]

I agree. My son's father (my ex) died a few years back. It wasn't suspicious and there were no media around us. But he was sad, angry, confused, heartbroken. He was only 6 and he needed some time at home to cry when he needed to, to be able to hug his mum when he needed to. He suffered from separation anxiety for a while afterwards as he was worried something would happen to me too.

While I know that not all situations are the same, I believe that most children need some time to be able to process their emotions, to ask questions when they need to, and to feel safe and secure around their family.

Agreed but IMO they will be getting far more love hugs and attention at school as perhaps all the other family members are too busy on what to do next IMO. The girls neeed some form of routine and I would say being a mum I would want my girls to continue to go to school thats what they know, They are just children god bless them x

 

[coolcat]

Brookie and other locals what is the talk as to why Woman got a lawyer..??

Is this woman still going to work everyday...Imagine how hard that would be having to face people whom you know are speculating about everything??

Interested to know what she says when and if it is brought up?

I know we are not meant to speak of her but now that a woman has retained a lawyer this forms part of the topic...Doesn't it?

 

[coolcat]

Had to pop back as one of the kids forgot something or she didn't answer the phone?

Kids school is accros the road I thought someone local has mentioned?

 

[loqi]

Thankyou so much for telling me i must have missed your warning i apologise for that

Easy to do with so many threads

 

[WSmum]

Does anyone know anything about the canoeist? Were they a scout? Did they canoe there often? Where they launched from? Were they SES or had helped with search? Prob. Not related to whodunnit but I have always been curious....

 

[Thinking]

I don't think Gerard grew up in South Africa. He went to school at Toowoomba (Downlands College, as far as I know). They might have cadets, but that picture is a military issue firearm. I can't picturre Gerard having the spine to be in the army. I could be wrong on the photo though - maybe he has been in his brother's wardrobe.

Hi there - he went to Toowoomba Grammar (not that they are keen to claim him as an "old boy" right now). His lawyer is an past Toowoomba boy too and they are the same age so I suspect they go way back. There may be some connection to the barrister too - for those who are wondering how GBC is affording all the legal rep. My guess is he called his mate (the lawyer) on the first day saying "mate, what the hell do I do???"

 

[coolcat]

Does anyone know anything about the canoeist? We're they a scout? Did they canoe there often? Where the launched from? Were they SES or had helped with search? Prob. Not related to whodunnit but I have always been curious....

Me Too! I always wondered if he had a mobile phone on him at the time and called or had to drive to alert someone...He would of had to hang around with the body if he called imagine what he would of been thinking...I know what I would of been thinking are the killers going to come back.....I can't believe I have come accross a dead body...The poor man has to live with this for the rest of his life...Not something anybody wishes for...I hope he is Ok?

 

[Strangeworld]

Brookie and other locals what is the talk as to why Woman got a lawyer..??

Is this woman still going to work everyday...Imagine how hard that would be having to face people whom you know are speculating about everything??

Interested to know what she says when and if it is brought up?

If this woman had nothing to do with anything other then an alleged affair the gossip would never go away...She will always be known as the woman who had an affair with a murderer......Oh BOY!....IMO

I know we are not meant to speak of her but now that a woman has retained a lawyer this forms part of the topic...Doesn't it?

I believe we can talk about the fact that 'a woman' has retained a lawyer, as stated in the news reports, but we can't speculate that she (or any other specific woman) had an affair with GBC. This is off limits as per moderator's request. If it's ever published in MSM, then we can. Hope that makes sense.

Coolcat, you might want to edit your post so it doesn't make unconfirmed assumptions about her. Otherwise, they'll probably delete your post

 

[WSmum]

I remember thinking at the time how unusual it was that they wrote Allison and not mum/mummy. My kids are around the same age and they would never write my first name.

I agree. Did seem strange. May be with all the news coverage and conversations that probably went on around th about "Allison" rather than her being referred to as "mum" they picked up on it...

 

[Neuromancer]

Does anyone know anything about the canoeist? Were they a scout? Did they canoe there often? Where they launched from? Were they SES or had helped with search? Prob. Not related to whodunnit but I have always been curious....

I haven't heard a thing. Either the cops got him/her away before the press arrived or else they're sworn to secrecy.

 

[coolcat]

Hi there - he went to Toowoomba Grammar (not that they are keen to claim him as an "old boy" right now). His lawyer is an past Toowoomba boy too and they are the same age so I suspect they go way back. There may be some connection to the barrister too - for those who are wondering how GBC is affording all the legal rep. My guess is he called his mate (the lawyer) on the first day saying "mate, what the hell do I do???"

I suggested this on the last 2 threads...This is why I think the lawyer got involved initially....I think the Barrister came on deck because things started to look a bit more Grim...IMO

 

[possumheart]

I suggested this on the last 2 threads...This is why I think the lawyer got involved initially....I think the Barrister came on deck because things started to look a bit more Grim...IMO

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[barrosa]

I haven't heard a thing. Either the cops got him/her away before the press arrived or else they're sworn to secrecy.

This has been bought up before on this forum and yes its strange that there has been no media absolutely zero. A few suggestions have been made previously though.

Was it reallly a canoist who found Allison?

Did some person advise the police as to Allison's whereabouts?

This is a missing puzzle.

 

[barrosa]

has anyone else notice Maverick's lack of posting lately? Where have you gone ?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Yes these struck me as weird, as if they came from an adult encouraging the kids to draw these to achieve a particular impression ("mummy's run off - let's tell her we love her to get her to come back").

I've been looking at quite a few videos of interviews with "people whose wives disappeared then later turned out to be murdered by them" and they all feature the "mummy please come home, we love you" trope being used by the person who turns out to be the murderer.

If you think about it, if a normally reliable, predictable person disappears, you don't think they've just gone somewhere voluntarily and that they're in any position to respond to requests to come home; you know something is seriously wrong.

I don't necessarily agree with the last 2 paragraphs. It is true there are many cases where the murderer will get in the Media and plead for the safe return of the victim. But have also seen many heartbreaking cases, where it looks totally grim that the person has not just walked off and the family will plead for them to come home. Whether it may be something they feel they have to do, because they can't bear the thought of their loved one being murdered or taken by another, or otherwise

By the way..I get sucked back in here by all the insightful, interesting and sometimes out there posts! lol.. I can't help but log in and comment or thank.

 

[Neuromancer]

This has been bought up before on this forum and yes its strange that there has been no media absolutely zero. A few suggestions have been made previously though.

Was it reallly a canoist who found Allison?

Did some person advise the police as to Allison's whereabouts?

This is a missing puzzle.

I just found a video from 2 days the body was found, that shows SES (state emergency service) canoeists searching waterways. Maybe it was one of them who found her?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-...ugh-in-baden-clay-case/3978184/?site=brisbane

EDIT: although this article says "found by a passing canoeist"
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-enters-11th-day/story-e6freoof-1226342625074

EDIT 2 - Oh and just for reference - here's a canoeing guide to the Kholo Creek, describing the creek sections in some detail + photos
http://www.upstreampaddle.com/kholo.html

 

[minni]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...lison-baden-clay/story-e6freoof-1226337500309 I've got this, but it's just saying that they're extending the search to industrial bins - in the video they say it. I'll keep looking for the footage that I saw! Sorry for the delay, I've been on my iPad for most of this.

thats ok!... I was just wondering if you can see where the footage is taken, and could it be in Kenmore Village? still thinking of my roundabout connection theory

 

[EdinburghLass]

I am sorry if this has been posted but on Channel 9, they just had an ad for the upcoming news and they didn't name the person but the story will be about 'a man taken into custody following the death of his wife in Brisbane'. The story headline was 'Highway Arrest'. There was a white 4 wheel drive in the picture.

ETA - okay, I don't think it's related to Alison. They just expanded the story and said that the wife was found dead in a house. Sorry!