Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #5

[minni]

Given the issues they had with the helicopter not flying over Beerwah as they said, but in fact sitting on the helipad at channel 9 when reporting on Daniel Morcombe case. It could be the bins outside channel 9. lol

sneaky buggers...I forgot about that!!!

 

[Straitfan]

Thanks oreily85! Seems to me a barrister is a lawyer to so wonder why they are called different. (Btw, I love reading all of y'all posts, seem like fun people in Australia

 

[Neuromancer]

Given the issues they had with the helicopter not flying over Beerwah as they said, but in fact sitting on the helipad at channel 9 when reporting on Daniel Morcombe case. It could be the bins outside channel 9. lol

LOL that explains the sound guy having a ciggy in the background ;p

 

[Paradox11]

Just curious, why does one need a lawyer & a barrister?

I'm not an expert, having managed to keep my nose squeaky clean, but to my understanding lawyers are split into barristers and solicitors. The barrister is the guy who represents you in court.

 

[Neuromancer]

Just curious, why does one need a lawyer & a barrister?

In the Australian system, a barrister is a lawyer who is specifically qualified and engaged to represent you in court.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister"]Barrister - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[WSmum]

It's getting so scary everywhere in QLD going by tonights news Now i think i'm just going to stay inside all the time. So much stuff happening in the news today

I don't think there is need to worry more than usual IMO. I was in contact with a police officer today and they made it clear that women in the Western Suburbs shouldn't be especially concerned about their security. While stressing they had no specific involvement or knowledge about the Allison Baden Clay case they did say (with a smirk) that that crime was "I think a little closer to home" and far fetched to think about a "serial killer" lurking around Brookfield on off chance to grab someone out walking alone.

 

[Zorro]

The timeline of media links has been expanded for this case and can be found here

AU-Allison Baden-Clay,43,Brisbane QLD, 19April2012 MEDIA/TIMELINE LINKS,NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
*snip*.

You have done an incredibly good job. Thank you.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I have witnessed at least one of the children in question in the classroom, multiple times since the loss. It was a gradual introduction. Very well done. What i have seen with the piers, "normality", friends, routine, etc etc has made me relax and realise that its ok. It really is, ok. From what i see it is proving to be the most heartening thing about the whole situation.

We shouldn't underestimate children's ability to fit back into life. They do thrive on routine and the shift of focus from home life is often good. Al taught "emotional resilience" in children, and even though im not sure of the exact principles, Im pretty certain this would have entailed facing up to everyday pressures and dealing with things head on, and "talking it out", sheddding tears with piers and other adults they choose to share with, rather than hiding heads in sand, running from, hiding from and avoiding life pressures. If the kids get through this time by facing up to it as they are being given the opportunity to do, I imagine they will be stronger adults, able to deal with problems in a positive manner. The best part of Brookfield is that we can rely on the community and quality of kids and teachers. Its ok.

Good to hear. And yes I agree with your second paragrah. Kids do need that 'normalacy' and routine to still exist for them as much as possible given everything else thats happening in their lives.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I'm not an expert, having managed to keep my nose squeaky clean, but to my understanding lawyers are split into barristers and solicitors. The barrister is the guy who represents you in court.

yes. Barristers go into court.

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't necessarily agree with the last 2 paragraphs. It is true there are many cases where the murderer will get in the Media and plead for the safe return of the victim. But have also seen many heartbreaking cases, where it looks totally grim that the person has not just walked off and the family will plead for them to come home. Whether it may be something they feel they have to do, because they can't bear the thought of their loved one being murdered or taken by another, or otherwise

Fair enough - I s'pose I've only been watching the guilty ones, and what you say about genuine family members in hope or denial would make sense. Probably why the murderers include it in their performance.

Interesting to see that murderers sometimes also get caught out accidentally referring to the victim in the past tense, before their death is known.

I thought it was interesting that in the same video his sister just said "We need to find her".

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Fair enough - I s'pose I've only been watching the guilty ones, and what you say about genuine family members in hope or denial would make sense. Probably why the murderers include it in their performance.

Interesting to see that murderers sometimes also get caught out accidentally referring to the victim in the past tense, before their death is known.

I thought it was interesting that in the same video his sister just said "We need to find her".

Yes I think they think if they please for them to come back they can appear as though it must not be them. But in fact they usually give themselves away. And agreed on the reffering in the past tense, slips of the tongue.

 

[Keyboredom]

Was it reallly a canoist who found Allison?

I really don't think the police would announce something false. The Superintendent clearly stated in one of the interviews that a canoeist alerted them to Allison's whereabouts. I think I have asked before, can anyone recollect the police ever making an intentionally false statement to media?

Did some person advise the police as to Allison's whereabouts?

Yep, the canoeist.

This is a missing puzzle.

Not a puzzle

 

[WSmum]

Given the issues they had with the helicopter not flying over Beerwah as they said, but in fact sitting on the helipad at channel 9 when reporting on Daniel Morcombe case. It could be the bins outside channel 9. lol

I just found a video from 2 days the body was found, that shows SES (state emergency service) canoeists searching waterways. Maybe it was one of them who found her?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-...ugh-in-baden-clay-case/3978184/?site=brisbane

EDIT: although this article says "found by a passing canoeist"
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-enters-11th-day/story-e6freoof-1226342625074

EDIT 2 - Oh and just for reference - here's a canoeing guide to the Kholo Creek, describing the creek sections in some detail + photos
http://www.upstreampaddle.com/kholo.html

Thanks so much for this. Interesting statement in upstream paddle website about vehicles not being secure overnight if left near Kholo area.

 

[Zorro]

Just curious, why does one need a lawyer & a barrister?

Think of it as in medicine you have a GP to manage your health (solicitor) but he may need a specialist for some illness (barrister). Solicitors administer the case, and will 'instruct' a barrister with special expertise in your type of crime to argue your case.

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

I am sorry if this has been posted but on Channel 9, they just had an ad for the upcoming news and they didn't name the person but the story will be about 'a man taken into custody following the death of his wife in Brisbane'. The story headline was 'Highway Arrest'. There was a white 4 wheel drive in the picture.

ETA - okay, I don't think it's related to Alison. They just expanded the story and said that the wife was found dead in a house. Sorry!

They are just teasing us to get us to watch Channel 9. I'm pretty sure that this was Bracken Ridge & possibly a son. It's all about ratings, not keeping us informed.

 

[Strangeworld]

yes. Barristers go into court.

I believe they also offer expert advice/consultancy beyond the services of lawyers.

 

[Keentoknow]

Maybe QPS have checked out GBC's phone.........If it was an iphone it would have a tracking device on it, and reveal his movements. I think!

 

[TheStupidTree]

Maybe QPS have checked out GBC's phone.........If it was an iphone it would have a tracking device on it, and reveal his movements. I think!

The police would need a warrant to request phone bills (call register) and the can also request reports on where a phone has pinged. This gives location when the phone is on but not being used. It's how they would have triangulated Allison's phone. Sometimes these reports take a while (1-2 weeks) even in high status cases) due to the process. The police need to make sure that the chain of evidence is maintained and they have all their ducks in a row.

 

[barrosa]

I really don't think the police would announce something false. The Superintendent clearly stated in one of the interviews that a canoeist alerted them to Allison's whereabouts. I think I have asked before, can anyone recollect the police ever making an intentionally false statement to media?


Yep, the canoeist.


Not a puzzle

Gee - thanks!

 

[WSmum]

has anyone else notice Maverick's lack of posting lately? Where have you gone ?

Or Rexo from thread 1?