GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #2

[banshee282001]

Seems like the estate where they're originally from is a bit rough

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...h-about-kilmarnock-s-onthank-estate-1.1028060

How old was he when he moved from there to Australia?

 

[Bombil]

Somehow i dont think its plausible that he is going to attempt raping her whilst her parents are in the same house.

The parents were away the night before when Chantelle held her party (they were staying at friends in adelaide). For all we know he may have thought they were still away/not at home. Come to think of it, she had posted publically on FB that she was sick anf going to bed. Perhaps to him he thought that was the perfect opportunity, thinking her parents were away and that she had gone to bed early.

 

[banshee282001]

I'd also like to know why they removed a door from inside victim's house (& wrapped it in brown paper) before putting it in the back of a police van - wonder what evidence was on the door? A bloody hand print? fingerprints? or something else that I'm not going to bother writing as it's total speculation & I don't want to start any rumours..

I'm sure it's DNA evidence of some kind. If the accused had his own blood on the inside of the door (like when he's trying to exit the residence), he's toast.

 

[Psycho Kitten]

If rape charges have been laid then he could have done it before or after. Perhaps it was him raping her that alerted the parents for eg and led to the massacre.

Perhaps he went back to the body of chantelle (if she was murdered first) and raped her then. Or perhaps she was hiding in a cupboard, with her parents being killed first, then her being raped and killed next.

Without any firm details it's impossible to tell. A local has stated that the rape charges are true, and a scottish paper has also reported it. It is puzzling that no australian papers seem to include rape amongst the charges. Perhaps that was what the suppression order was all about, although i cant really fathom why.

Yes, I can confirm that the rape charge is absolutely true, however I also can't understand why it is suppressed....perhaps he denies it...says it was consensual..?..therefore there is not damning evidence that is it rape?....I don't know... I wonder if it will come out on Wednesday?

 

[Cyclone82]

Somehow i dont think its plausible that he is going to attempt raping her whilst her parents are in the same house.

Yes thats what im thinking too.

Perhaps it was him raping her that alerted the parents for eg and led to the massacre.

I believe one would have had to have been dead or incapicitated first (most likely chantelle) before the dad came in. The dad would have had to have been killed or incapicitated enough for the accused to move onto the mother before she even had a chance to escape. It would all have to have been done one by one and quickly so as to not give the chance for it to be 2 on 1 situation or give one person the chance to escape. Im sure if given the chance, one of the 3 would have tried to escape if they could have, its human insticnt to run i reckon. Of course i could be totally wrong, this is just what i am thinking. i think the weapon would have to have been substantial, at least a big kitchen knife but im now thinking that it may not have to have been a sword because it would not take too long to stop someone with a sword. If it was me i wouldnt think twice about trying to fight or struggle with someone swinging a sword at me, i would run if i could. The reports said there was evidence of a stuggle and 'fighting for their lives' so perhaps the weapon was small enough to give the family members a chance that they thought they could try and fight back and defend themselves somehow?

 

[Lera213]

'His father was not named on his birth certificate. However, it is understood that he is {mod edit}.

According to a family source, the pair were deliberately prevented from meeting as the boy was growing up.'

Wonder what that's about then....

I've been searching hard but haven't found anything.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Ads another layer of horror to it though doesn't it...poor girl!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I've been searching hard but haven't found anything.

Thanks Lera...me either. Got caught up on the estate they were from ... massive social problems there. The father may have been someone you wouldn't really want around your kid.

 

[banshee282001]

Yes, I can confirm that the rape charge is absolutely true, however I also can't understand why it is suppressed....perhaps he denies it...says it was consensual..?..therefore there is not damning evidence that is it rape?....I don't know... I wonder if it will come out on Wednesday?

If it comes down to a "he said, she said' about whether things were consentual, if the afterplay includes stabbing <modsnip>, as a judge, I think I'd pretty much rule out the suppression order as far as that goes. Then again, I'm far too sensible to be a judge.

 

[Laddsy]

I grew up in Shettleston in Glasgow which is a pretty rough area, but there are rough areas everywhere. I don't see how this has anything to do with the case. The killer or killers are just sick

 

[banshee282001]

I grew up in Shettleston in Glasgow which is a pretty rough area, but there are rough areas everywhere. I don't see how this has anything to do with the case. The killer or killers are just sick

There certainly are evil people everywhere.

 

[Bombil]

Yes, I can confirm that the rape charge is absolutely true, however I also can't understand why it is suppressed....perhaps he denies it...says it was consensual..?..therefore there is not damning evidence that is it rape?....I don't know... I wonder if it will come out on Wednesday?

If they didn't have some evidence then I doubt they would have charged him for it. They need actual evidence, and confidence that they can make a conviction stick before laying any charges.

Perhaps semen was the DNA evidence and not blood afterall. People have posted that the accused has suffered injuries, but from the little I have heard of the crime scene, there would have been a lot of blood and it probably would have been hard to seperate his from theirs. If she was raped, and if it was as unplanned as it seems, then semen seems like the obvious link.

edit: in which case it raises the question, they had dated before, they were close friends, maybe just maybe they had a consentual encounter earlier in the day? But then that doesnt explain the cuts on his arms. I am sure that the police have more evidence then just DNA. DNA on it's own doesnt prove anything, just that a person has 'been there'. You need to have other evidence to provide context, and I am sure that they wouldnt have charged him unless they had a solid case, otherwise it would jeapordise everything.

 

[mum73]

What I am saying,although I am currently struggling for words to express it, is that after the fact it's not unusual for people to to analyse what and how this could happen. To question everything.

I agree totally here. I don't think songs etc posted months ago really reflect on his current state of mind...or anything for that matter. If people can assume that this kid was a deranged killer based on what's on his Bebo etc, I'm afraid the world is in deep doo doo. Having teenagers myself, I know that this guys is pretty tame...and downright normal in comparison to some of the stuff out there.

I dont personally think that changes anything. For one,Chantelle appears to be the primary target. For two, nothing wrong with a parent staying at home to raise their kids.

Sorry, the way that I worded this sounded denigrating, but that was not my intention. But I found it interesting as to how the information had been misinterpreted, which I think unfortunately is the case with a lot of the information out there at the moment.

As far as I am aware they had been living there several years. Chantelle was staying at a friends place the last week or two? while she worked in a cafe in another town. She went back home a few days before though, had a party a couple days later then died the following evening.

They had been living in the general area (nearby towns/suburbs) for some years, but had only recently moved into that house. They had been living in Whyalla (the first suspect also recently moved from there), but I'm not sure if this was immediately beforehand. CR had been to 3 high schools in 3 years, so they may have moved a number of times.

I recall hearing about the 4 skinheads but not that it was RR screaming. Can you share please

The neighbour that heard the screams said that he keeps hearing her voice going over and over in his head. He has been having nightmares.

 

[Lera213]

Well given the statements from family members in Scotland and the killers own statements on his bebo page ie. questionnaire he was missing Scotland and thinking of family there a lot. Not only that he made mention of him and his mom not getting along. This all can go to his mindset, his character, what he was thinking, and stuff. A pretty good insight to him if you ask me.

He also stated he thought he was a passive person (extreme introvert?) Maybe thinking maybe things would be different if mum didn't keep me from dad? Makes you really start to see a glimpse of his mind. Or I could just be seeing more there then there is.

 

[indizio]

He has a photo album on his bebo account titled hot chicks. Something not right about that!

For a teenage boy, you find something not right about that?

{mod edit}

 

[mum73]

Hi I'm new to this & have been sitting back a bit not really having much to contribute.

I think H (Xmas) refers to the mother of the current boyfriend DP. I saw her talking on a news grab when she say's "how am I going to tell my son when he get's home from work?"....or something like that. I'm sure the name that came up on the screen was H**** P****???

Ahhh...so it was DP that lived over the back then maybe?? H had said that their washing machine etc had also been checked.

 

[mum73]

To me its pretty clear her corpse was raped

What a sick ****. Hope someone returns it in jail.

I think this is a big jump. Isn't sex with a 16yo considered statutory rape in SA? The sex could have been consensual, but as CR was underage, he could still be charged. I'm not saying this is the case, but I think we are a long way from saying it is clear he raped her corpse...

 

[Psycho Kitten]

Ahhh...so it was DP that lived over the back then maybe?? H had said that their washing machine etc had also been checked.

No the mother of DP is B****** P****....no "H" in her name (this can be confirmed via FB)

 

[mum73]

No the mother of DP is B****** P****....no "H" in her name (this can be confirmed via FB)

Hmmm...so any ideas who this is then?

"THE Kapunda house where a slain family was found yesterday was splattered in blood and a nearby police search has been prompted by a Facebook tip.

Late yesterday, police placed about 25 evidence markers at intervals along the footpath leading south from the crime scene. It is believed the markers were placed where spots of blood had been found on the ground.

Later, police were seen searching a property in Nottingham St, diagonally behind the crime scene.

Gloved detectives and uniformed police were seen searching through a yard and shed by torchlight. Officers also sorted through items of clothing in a washing machine.

A resident of the house, Holly, told AdelaideNow that detectives had told her the property was being searched as a follow-up to "something on facebook".

She confirmed that police had checked her laundry for bloodstains and had also searched her family's vehicle."

We need a link for this article, please.

 

[Lera213]

<modsnip: Speculation> The killer changed clothes, he could have stolen clothes from next door for all we know.