GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #5

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Annie_61 said:
Only being new at this my question to the more experienced in these matters is, if the alibi had been proven wouldn’t we have heard the accused had been released?
Surely they can’t keep someone locked up if they have a proven alibi.
The long the suppression order is in place and the longer the accused is being kept in custody to me seems they have some pretty strong evidence that he is responsible for this crime.
Considering how such an accusation/charge could totally destroy someone’s life, especially as this seems to be someone who up until now didn’t have a history of violence etc. Can they hold him on just some flimsy evidence?
I would be very interested to hear what others think on this.
Just thinking out aloud here.
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Hi all, I'm new here, well new to posting but definately not new to reading:innocent:
I agree with you Annie, however if there was evidence that could get him released or even out on bail, do you really think they'd be broadcasting that around. They're hardly going to open the door and say " Off you go back to your family in Kapunda". I can't imagine he'd be all that popular even if the police were to say there was evidence to the fact that he didn't do it. People are always sceptical and now those who know who he is would find it hard to change that idea.
Having said this I do believe his alibi has not been substanciated and he is still sitting in jail.
 
So I was looking at Robbo's website and a poster talked about the accused perhaps being in a Psychotic state. Found the following link an interesting read regarding this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis


This part was most interesting- A psychotic episode can be significantly affected by mood. For example, people experiencing a psychotic episode in the context of depression may experience persecutory or self-blaming delusions or hallucinations, while people experiencing a psychotic episode in the context of mania may form grandiose delusions.

Stress is known to contribute to and trigger psychotic states. A history of psychologically traumatic events, and the recent experience of a stressful event, can both contribute to the development of psychosis. Short-lived psychosis triggered by stress is known as brief reactive psychosis, and patients may spontaneously recover normal functioning within two weeks.[9] In some rare cases, individuals may remain in a state of full-blown psychosis for many years, or perhaps have attenuated psychotic symptoms (such as low intensity hallucinations) present at most times.

Sleep deprivation has been linked to psychosis.[10][11][12] However, this is not a risk for most people, who merely experience hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations, i.e. unusual sensory experiences or thoughts that appear during waking or drifting off to sleep. These are normal sleep phenomena and are not considered signs of psychosis.[13]

Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis.[14][15]

Vitamin D overdose can cause altered thinking and psychosis.[16]

Genetics may also have a role in psychosis. The Genain quadruplets were identical quadruplets who were all diagnosed with schizophrenia.
 
I may have some helpful items in regards to the floor plan of the house. If anyone wants me to put that up just let me know and I'll do it tomorrow when I get a chance.
 
OK here goes, unfortunately I have been unable to get the actual house plans but hopefully this will help us work it out.

This is the for sale ad for one of the other of the 6 houses in this block which fronts onto Nottingham St.

http://www.realestateview.com.au/Real-Estate/Property-Details-buy-residential-1574929_S.html

Unfortunately it does not tell us the builder but still provides an insight into the interior of the house (will help later on in my reasoning).

This is another house sold in Kapunda which looks very similar and actually tells us the builders name, hence the second link.

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-sa-kapunda-105529226

http://www.weeksmacklinhomes.com.au/

Now for some deducing on my next thread.........
 
Now for the deducing.......

Ok so looking on the Weeks and Macklin site it's easy to come to the conclusion that if they are the builders there are only 2 plan which even come close. Bearing in mind that was then and this is now, variations are expected. So lets look at those.

Now we know that all of the houses in the development are 2 bedroom (can be seen on development application, link previously uploaded). We know the house is very small. We can deduce from the for nottingham st for sale ad that it was most likely open plan kitchen, dining, living room. This is also supported by photos or google street view of the rear of the house which shows 2 window and a central sliding door. This would make it highly likely that there is one large room at the back. I'm also going to assume from the W&M plans and the photos of nottingham st that it has a separate toilet, I can support this with google street view and also the news link previously uploaded showing an aerial view of the house. These both show on the left hand side, a small window with a larger one next to it (ie toilet and bathroom). I'm assuming it has a internal designated laundry as most homes do and it is noted on the Nott st info. Since there are no other doors or windows on the left hand side and the washing line is on the rear right hand side of the house (as seen in rear photos) I am positive the laundry is on the right had side.

I think if you opened the front door you would see straight out the back door. I think the kitchen is on the right hand side as google street view show two windows (though I think the one towards the front is a door, but obsured by the fence) on the right hand side. The main bedroom is probably on the left as there is a larger distance between side of the house and front door on the left so, leading to the assumption there is a larger room on the left. The main bed room may have had door to the bathroom as in Nott st, but I am not convinced as I am sure the toilet is to the front of the bathroom.

This brings me to my "MAYBE" attachment I have done up a rough idea from what I have surmised. Obviously the carport is not next to the house it is to the rear that is merely where is was on the picture I used.

Have a look and tell me what you think.
 

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sniffer said:
OK here goes, unfortunately I have been unable to get the actual house plans but hopefully this will help us work it out.

This is the for sale ad for one of the other of the 6 houses in this block which fronts onto Nottingham St.

http://www.realestateview.com.au/Real-Estate/Property-Details-buy-residential-1574929_S.html

Unfortunately it does not tell us the builder but still provides an insight into the interior of the house (will help later on in my reasoning).

This is another house sold in Kapunda which looks very similar and actually tells us the builders name, hence the second link.

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-sa-kapunda-105529226

http://www.weeksmacklinhomes.com.au/

Now for some deducing on my next thread.........
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If you look at 'Rosewood Cottage' on the Macklin Homes link, and click on the floor plan, this may be closer to 5 Harriet St floor plan, except for carport. It has the 2 bedrooms, separate toilet, rear family room (sliding doors which could be seen from diagionally opposite property in Nottingham St), and if alleged offender entered/was let in, by CR, (front bedroom), on a pretext, from front of house, then it can be seen how RR and AR may have heard nothing from the position of the 2nd rear bedroom, particularly if CR was immediately incapacitated or subdued at knifepoint. Then RR, who has got out of bed for a drink from the refrigerator in the kitchen, is encountered by the alleged offender, who is surprised and attacks her. AR is alerted and runs to kitchen, yells at alleged offender and is then attacked and killed.
Alleged offender possibly on way to bathroom to clean self up when encountered RR. I recall that alleged offender was alleged to have a backpack with him.
Alleged offender still left by the front - back gate may have made a noise, neighbour diagionally opposite in Nottingham St, who was reported as being up to heat a baby bottle, may have had lights on, neighbour also had a good view of the rear family room sliding door of 5 Harriet St - risk may have been too high of being seen leaving, to take that risk.
What do others think - feasible?
 
In the rosewood cottage design, chantelles room would have been at the back of the house. The parents would get the ensuite room probably. Oh just checked , its the only bathroom. If he parents room was at the front, then it would explain how the dad was the first to be found.
 
KG1 said:
If you look at 'Rosewood Cottage' on the Macklin Homes link, and click on the floor plan, this may be closer to 5 Harriet St floor plan, except for carport. It has the 2 bedrooms, separate toilet, rear family room (sliding doors which could be seen from diagionally opposite property in Nottingham St), and if alleged offender entered/was let in, by CR, (front bedroom), on a pretext, from front of house, then it can be seen how RR and AR may have heard nothing from the position of the 2nd rear bedroom, particularly if CR was immediately incapacitated or subdued at knifepoint. Then RR, who has got out of bed for a drink from the refrigerator in the kitchen, is encountered by the alleged offender, who is surprised and attacks her. AR is alerted and runs to kitchen, yells at alleged offender and is then attacked and killed.
Alleged offender possibly on way to bathroom to clean self up when encountered RR. I recall that alleged offender was alleged to have a backpack with him.
Alleged offender still left by the front - back gate may have made a noise, neighbour diagionally opposite in Nottingham St, who was reported as being up to heat a baby bottle, may have had lights on, neighbour also had a good view of the rear family room sliding door of 5 Harriet St - risk may have been too high of being seen leaving, to take that risk.
What do others think - feasible?
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singers said:
In the rosewood cottage design, chantelles room would have been at the back of the house. The parents would get the ensuite room probably. Oh just checked , its the only bathroom. If he parents room was at the front, then it would explain how the dad was the first to be found.
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I think from the back windows and sliding door, we can pretty much rule out there being a bedroom at the back. I was more inclined to think the "alleged offender" may have come in through the laundry door. Unfortunately we have no idea whether the family was inclined to leave doors unlocked or whether he was let in.
 
singers said:
In the rosewood cottage design, chantelles room would have been at the back of the house. The parents would get the ensuite room probably. Oh just checked , its the only bathroom. If he parents room was at the front, then it would explain how the dad was the first to be found.
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How do you know the dad was the first to be found?
 
I cant believe there has been zero news on this case for so long. What is going on???
 
As long as they keep the suppression on this case, there most likely will be no news until the next court date, IIRCC, February 2011. Per the below linked article, a store clerk said before they arrested the suspect, eveyone wanted to talk about it that came into the store. Now, no one wants to talk about it.

JMHO
fran

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new.../story-e6frg6nf-1225955204921?from=public_rss



Harry Stern, whose automotive business is about 500m from the house, was happy police made a quick arrest but was "disappointed that something like this happened in Kapunda".

Thrifty Link Hardware store worker Mandy, who did not want to use her surname, said the tragedy had been mentioned in every conversation she had had with customers after the slayings.

"Everyone wanted to talk about it before," Mandy said. "But (since the arrest), no one will."

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Can you believe Australia is considered a free country but the South Australian justice system operates in the dark? I think that is scary.
 
Hi guys and Gals, its been a tough slog here that's for sure, what does one talk about pretty much took the weekend off with my kids but Good to see some still chipping away though. A simple read of today's paper makes me mad at the way our system panders to the scum who commits crimes in our country. Sure in SA it is frustrating, but in other states the frustration continues even after they are jailed...I wish we could fast forward a month or 2 and let the cat out of the bag so to speak and get on with it! Cheers
 
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