Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

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Innerchild said:
Three blokes in a car travelling down Stirling Rd onto Stirling Hwy saw her at the phonebox and car lights following them. However that can never came out onto Stirling Hwy.

I think the 3 minutes is too short for someone to try to force her into a car, she could easily have ran the few metres to Stirling Hwy. IMO she got into the car willingly and was gone when the taxi arrived 3 minutes after her call. If all her friends have been cleared of picking her up, my suspicion is on the guy whom she may have spent the night with the night before.
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...or it was a fake taxi that came along and SS got into that thinking it was the taxi she had called.
 
janwa said:
One of the reports of underground activities that go on undetected by neighbors sounds like an ideal spot to hide a body or a captive

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By chief police report CYRIL AYRIS
DETECTIVES Investigating alleged *advertiser censored* offences yesterday discovered two cellars and connecting tunnels under a house they raided.
The subterranean system was found by chance when one of the detectives moved a floor safe in
the lounge-room.
The safe slip silently back under the floor, revealing a shaft.
The detectives climbed down into a timber lined room nearly two metres high by about here metres square.
A tunnel led from the room to another cavern farther under the house.
The chief of the DIB, Lee Walker, said that a quantity of graphic negatives of children aged from 10 to 17 had been seized.
The two cellars were dug under a $130,000 house in a quiet suburban street.
They were found after the CIB team, led by Det. Sgt. Jack Gage of the vice squad resumed their search for pornographic negatives.
An exhaustive search of several houses on Wednesday had resulted in the seizure of photographs but no negatives were found.
The police ripped up carpets in one house revealing the safe set into timber floor boards. Carpets
The safe was opened but it was only when one of the detectives fiddled with mechanism that it slid out of view on rails under the floor.
When the searchers peered into the hole they saw a flight of timber steps leading down into the cellars.
When they climbed down the steps they discovered that the rooms had electric lights and there was ducting to carry fresh air into the area.
Sand from the excavations is believed to fill depressions in the back yard.
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Janwa thanks for the post . Is there a link for this ?
The picture you posted wont show up , sorry its blank.
 
Annalise said:
The only connections I can see between JC, JR, SS and CG are - 3 girls went to Iona Presentation College. All girls were out late at night in entertainment areas of Perth. JC and SS country family connections. All girls were alone or having left friends they had been with. All seemed like very friendly people. MOO
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Maybe the connection to Iona is not just co-incidence.

All except Jane Rimmer.

Her abduction looking at what you can see from the cctv seems suspect with more than one or two involved. Story cops told about three friend exiting Conti was not correct. You can rule out two so called friends immediately. One turns up later when Jane is waiting by pole and has nothing to do with her. The only so-called friend that looked like Linda Donovan talking in the Crime Scene Hunt for Serial killer Documentary was the one with a ? who looked like she didn't even know Jane when she first exited Conti.

Then there is MM1 and MM2, Red Dot Man and the poleman who looks to be watching Jane and turns his head sharply over his shoulder to look at the parked car when MM comes into view. Then of course, bald guy who looks very similar to the drivers licence picture of Adrian B taken 17 years ago and the guy following him who also looks familiar and keeps turning around to look at Jane.

If the accused didn't abduct and murder Jane then any of the others would be suspect, IMO.

[video=youtube;nNNF1E3mg3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c&t=666s[/video]

I have posted this link to Hunt for a Serial killer many times and think it is also in the media thread. I use this Haley Jane version as it has a clearer time stamp so it's easier to match with other footage and may have more frames. Use the pause button to stop and watch frame by frame if you are really interested. JMOO.
 
Spooks-R-Us said:
OMG $2.50 for a pack of cigarettes in 1988!!!!


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I wondered who I would rope in with that throw away line.
 
Innerchild said:
Maybe the connection to Iona is not just co-incidence.

All except Jane Rimmer.

Her abduction looking at what you can see from the cctv seems suspect with more than one or two involved. Story cops told about three friend exiting Conti was not correct. You can rule out two so called friends immediately. One turns up later when Jane is waiting by pole and has nothing to do with her. The only so-called friend that looked like Linda Donovan talking in the Crime Scene Hunt for Serial killer Documentary was the one with a ? who looked like she didn't even know Jane when she first exited Conti.

Then there is MM1 and MM2, Red Dot Man and the poleman who looks to be watching Jane and turns his head sharply over his shoulder to look at the parked car when MM comes into view. Then of course, bald guy who looks very similar to the drivers licence picture of Adrian B taken 17 years ago and the guy following him who also looks familiar and keeps turning around to look at Jane.

If the accused didn't abduct and murder Jane then any of the others would be suspect, IMO.

[video=youtube;nNNF1E3mg3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c&t=666s[/video]

I have posted this link to Hunt for a Serial killer many times and think it is also in the media thread. I use this Haley Jane version as it has a clearer time stamp so it's easier to match with other footage and may have more frames. Use the pause button to stop and watch frame by frame if you are really interested. JMOO.
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Hi Innerchild - JC, SS and CG went to Iona Presentation College and JR went to John XX111 College both of which are Catholic colleges. Perhaps the connection is Catholicism? MOO
 
DRT said:
I wondered who I would rope in with that throw away line.
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Well you were replying to me at the time! [emoji12][emoji12][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]


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Annalise said:
Hi Innerchild - JC, SS and CG went to Iona Presentation College and JR went to John XX111 College both of which are Catholic colleges. Perhaps the connection is Catholicism? MOO
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I thought JR went to Hollywood SHS ?????


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Spooks-R-Us said:
I thought JR went to Hollywood SHS ?????


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http://claremontserialkillings.blogspot.com.au/?m=1

It says on above link she attended John XXIII College. Maybe it's wrong. MOO
 
DRT said:
I have heard both and that she spent time at both schools.


"Jane Rimmer at a ball at Hollywood Highschool. Picture: Supplied"

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/9062fc5d579dbb55d5e80494fe67e93d
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Pic from the link in quote....

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Mind you: just because JR attended the Hollywood SHS BALL, doesn't mean she attended Hollywood SHS SCHOOL.
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Annalise said:
Hi Innerchild - JC, SS and CG went to Iona Presentation College and JR went to John XX111 College both of which are Catholic colleges. Perhaps the connection is Catholicism? MOO
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I'm pretty sure Jane went to Hollywood HS which is a normal state high school. No religion.
 
Innerchild said:
...or it was a fake taxi that came along and SS got into that thinking it was the taxi she had called.
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Hi Innerchild - with both SS and JR I feel they left their friends because they had organised to be picked up. SS called a taxi because her lift didn't turn up but then out of the blue he did and she hopped into his car. MOO
 
Annalise said:
Hi Innerchild - with both SS and JR I feel they left their friends because they had organised to be picked up. SS called a taxi because her lift didn't turn up but then out of the blue he did and she hopped into his car. MOO
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The documentary said JR had just turned down a ride home in a taxi with her friends?? She was standing on a disabled parking bay. IMO she wasn't waiting for a taxi but for a ride with a bloke she's met or been with that night. Take your pick at which one!!

SS disappearing in only 3 minutes!! That should limit the possibilities at what could have happened... and in that 3 minutes she walked over the opposite side of Stirling Rd, was seen by a car passing her down Stirling road and still disappeared before the ordered taxi arrived, without anyone seeing anything. Seem too short a time frame or a very organised SK on a schedule!
 
Annalise said:
Hi Innerchild - JC, SS and CG went to Iona Presentation College and JR went to John XX111 College both of which are Catholic colleges. Perhaps the connection is Catholicism? MOO
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Also had CG only been home one week before her abduction? Her school friends, relations, staff/ priests at Iona where her mother worked would have known in advance she was coming back IMO.

It worries me that the Royal Commission into Child sexual abuse has found 4,444 allegations of incidents of abuse between January 1980 and February 2015 were made to Catholic Church authorities...and [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The royal commission's report found of the 1,880 alleged perpetrators from within the Catholic Church, 572 were priests. and that is only the tip of the iceberg

[/FONT]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600

What is the church called on the grounds or next to Iona? Who were the priest at the time I wonder? JMOO
 
Innerchild said:
Also had CG only been home one week before her abduction? Her school friends, relations, staff/ priests at Iona where her mother worked would have known in advance she was coming back IMO.

It worries me that the Royal Commission into Child sexual abuse has found 4,444 allegations of incidents of abuse between January 1980 and February 2015 were made to Catholic Church authorities...and [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The royal commission's report found of the 1,880 alleged perpetrators from within the Catholic Church, 572 were priests. and that is only the tip of the iceberg

[/FONT]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600

What is the church called on the grounds or next to Iona? Who were the priest at the time I wonder? JMOO
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I wonder if there were priests or male teachers at Iona. It would be interesting to know if there have been allegations of sexual abuse to do with priests associated with the school or male teachers. MOO
 
Innerchild said:
Also had CG only been home one week before her abduction? Her school friends, relations, staff/ priests at Iona where her mother worked would have known in advance she was coming back IMO.

It worries me that the Royal Commission into Child sexual abuse has found 4,444 allegations of incidents of abuse between January 1980 and February 2015 were made to Catholic Church authorities...and The royal commission's report found of the 1,880 alleged perpetrators from within the Catholic Church, 572 were priests. and that is only the tip of the iceberg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-begins-in-sydney/8242600

What is the church called on the grounds or next to Iona? Who were the priest at the time I wonder? JMOO
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The church in Mosman Park is Corpus Christi. http://www.gcatholic.org/churches/oceania/41406.htm

Not sure what time you are implying. When the girls went to school, because that varied? In the 1996-1997 timeframe? Posting a link to a Royal commission with no evidence of anything happening in Mosman Park. There is an alleged suspect for the 2 murders in custody who isn't a priest. What relevance is this?
 
Annalise said:
I wonder if there were priests or male teachers at Iona. It would be interesting to know if there have been allegations of sexual abuse to do with priests associated with the school or male teachers. MOO
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Hi DRT - I'm thinking more along the lines of JC and SS who could have been murdered by someone else - not accused CSK. Looking into the fact they both went to Iona and there could be a connection to the school. MOO
 
DRT said:
The church in Mosman Park is Corpus Christi. http://www.gcatholic.org/churches/oceania/41406.htm

Not sure what time you are implying. When the girls went to school, because that varied? In the 1996-1997 timeframe? Posting a link to a Royal commission with no evidence of anything happening in Mosman Park. There is an alleged suspect for the 2 murders in custody who isn't a priest. What relevance is this?
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Under oath a detective with knowledge of the Claremont serial killings said the killings were not random, just linked by being in attendance in Claremont. So a fair question IMO is what was linking them. Iona Presentation College was one link with most of the girls. Did the accused wife attend Iona or a Catholic College? Her family had the French restaurant only a few hundred metres from the school, so that may be a link??

Or if Iona is the connection then IMO it is relevant to look at possible links to the accused from Iona and not a silly question to wonder who the teachers or priests were between 1984 and 1995, IMO, especially when some Catholic Church Orders had high figures of sexual abuse being reported such as in the current Royal Commission.

Approx time frame in Yr 12 at Iona

SS - 1993-1995 (Did she leave in Yr 10?)

Lorrin Whitehead 1988
(some posters and news articles have suggested she may be a CSK victim) http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/fears-bannockburn-mothers-disappearance-may-be-linked-to-wa-murders/news story/4660796762fa08830aeaabe1a56d55fc

CG 1986

JC 1984



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[FONT=&amp]But in a separate court case last Tuesday, Detective Sergeant Ian Moore of the Major Crime Squad was giving evidence in a defamation trial brought by barrister Lloyd Rayney when he was asked by Mr Rayney’s lawyer Martin Bennett: “Do you accept that the Claremont serial killer killings were random attacks — the only thing linking Sarah *Spiers, Jane Rimmer, Ciara Glennon being an attendance in *Claremont?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Sergeant Moore replied that he did not accept that: “I have knowledge of that particular job that I can’t particularly enlighten the court about and those — no, I can’t accept that proposition.”

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Innerchild said:
Under oath a detective with knowledge of the Claremont serial killings said the killings were not random, just linked by being in attendance in Claremont. So a fair question IMO is what was linking them. Iona Presentation College was one link with most of the girls. Did the accused wife attend Iona or a Catholic College? Her family had the French restaurant only a few hundred metres from the school, so that may be a link??

Or if Iona is the connection then IMO it is relevant to look at possible links to the accused from Iona and not a silly question to wonder who the teachers or priests were between 1984 and 1995, IMO, especially when some Catholic Church Orders had high figures of sexual abuse being reported such as in the current Royal Commission.

Approx time frame in Yr 12 at Iona

SS - 1993-1995 (Did she leave in Yr 10?)

Lorrin Whitehead 1988
(some posters and news articles have suggested she may be a CSK victim) http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/fears-bannockburn-mothers-disappearance-may-be-linked-to-wa-murders/news story/4660796762fa08830aeaabe1a56d55fc

CG 1986

JC 1984



[FONT=&amp]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/bradley-edwards-delays-plea-in-relation-to-claremont-killings/news-story/bbca989cb476faeb057b042380826366
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[FONT=&amp]But in a separate court case last Tuesday, Detective Sergeant Ian Moore of the Major Crime Squad was giving evidence in a defamation trial brought by barrister Lloyd Rayney when he was asked by Mr Rayney’s lawyer Martin Bennett: “Do you accept that the Claremont serial killer killings were random attacks — the only thing linking Sarah *Spiers, Jane Rimmer, Ciara Glennon being an attendance in *Claremont?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Sergeant Moore replied that he did not accept that: “I have knowledge of that particular job that I can’t particularly enlighten the court about and those — no, I can’t accept that proposition.”

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IC I think you're assuming the "not random" part of that statement instantly refers to the alleged CSK's choice of victim.

But if you widen your focus, the "not random" aspect could also mean the alleged CSK spent years planning and organising the attacks - therefore the attacks being planned NOT random.

There's many ways to skin a cat when dealing with an extremely vague comment.


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